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What are our needs and who can we realistically acquire?
« on: March 07, 2015, 09:44:55 PM »

Offline Yenohb

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A list of what I think this team needs in order to be contenders again:

1.) Rim Protection - We currently ranked 29th in the league in blocks per game; Opp Pts in Paint/Gm 44.9 (Ranked #26 overall).
2.) Another Go-To Scorer - Put's less pressure on our scorers esp. Isaiah Thomas.
3.) A big who can defend the PnR and switch to guards when needed - Sully, KO and Zeller won't cut it, too slow.
4.) Starting caliber 3 and D SF - I like Jae Crowder but I think he's not a starter and will be much more effective coming of the bench. 3 and D because we need shooters on CBS system in order to space the floor.
5.) Rebounding and Frontcourt toughness - Opp Total Rebounds/Gm 53.8 (Ranked #24 overall)

Who we can realistically acquire on Free Agency and in the Draft?
*Age(potential), pick position and and probability of resigning with their current team put into consideration

The Draft:
1.) Willie Cauley-Stein - perfectly addresses needs #1 and #3, potentially #5?
2.) Kelly Oubre - can potentially address need #2 and #4
3.) Justise Winslow - addresses need #4 great D but range is questionable
4.) Kriztaps Porzingis - can potentially address need #1 and #2
5.) Myles Turner - mainly addresses need #1
6.) Montrezl Harrel -  addresses needs #3 and #5 emphasis on frontcourt toughness

Free Agency:
1.) Draymond Green - Addresses needs #4 and #5 and maybe #3?. Is he worth a max contract?
2.) Greg Monroe - Addresses needs #2 and #5 but front court toughness is questionable.
3.) Tobias Harris - Addresses needs #2 and and in some way #5. Rumored to ask between 13-14m.
Will mostly resign with their current team but who knows?
4.) Jimmy Butler - Addresses #2 and #4
5.) Kawhi Leonard - Addresses #2 and #4
6.) Deandre Jordan - Addresses #1 and #5

Suggestions are mostly welcomed :)

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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2015, 09:49:13 PM »

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Like you, I see WCS as a solution to several of those.

Not a big Draymond Green guy. I think he's an excellent glue guy or a third or fourth best guy on a team, but I don't see him carrying any load. Really don't see him as a max player either
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Re: What are our needs and who can we realistically acquire?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2015, 10:01:45 PM »

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I think when rebuilding after a fire, it's best to have the foundation first before you start picking out appliances.

Our foundation right now is pretty much non-existent. We're basically a garage sale and using the profits from that we're either going to rebuild from the ground up or buy a nice starter home.

I guess what I'm saying is Talent, Talent, Talent. Don't care what they do as long as they're the best talent we can get at the best value we can manage.

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2015, 10:25:21 PM »

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I think when rebuilding after a fire, it's best to have the foundation first before you start picking out appliances.

Our foundation right now is pretty much non-existent. We're basically a garage sale and using the profits from that we're either going to rebuild from the ground up or buy a nice starter home.

I guess what I'm saying is Talent, Talent, Talent. Don't care what they do as long as they're the best talent we can get at the best value we can manage.

The foundation is already there and his name is Brad Stevens :) Just my 2 cents.

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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2015, 10:35:33 PM »

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Omer Asik is a better defender than Jordan and an equivalent rebounder and is an elite defender against the pick and roll.

Restricted free agent Khris Middleton is a 3 and D SF who can guard multiple positions.
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2015, 10:44:45 PM »

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Omer Asik is a better defender than Jordan and an equivalent rebounder and is an elite defender against the pick and roll.

Restricted free agent Khris Middleton is a 3 and D SF who can guard multiple positions.

Good call on Middleton. Just read an article about his rise on Jason Kidd's system. http://www.brewhoop.com/2015/3/4/8131159/khris-middleton-worth-restricted-free-agency Seems legit, how much would he demand though?

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2015, 11:18:36 PM »

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Omer Asik is a better defender than Jordan and an equivalent rebounder and is an elite defender against the pick and roll.

Restricted free agent Khris Middleton is a 3 and D SF who can guard multiple positions.

Good call on Middleton. Just read an article about his rise on Jason Kidd's system. http://www.brewhoop.com/2015/3/4/8131159/khris-middleton-worth-restricted-free-agency Seems legit, how much would he demand though?

Really not sure.  He's going to be a second-choice target for teams that are interested in Leonard and Butler and whiff.  As a restricted free agent, you probably need to overpay.  I thought that with Jabari and Giannis, the Bucks might be willing to let him go, but they may have traded Brandon Knight so they wouldn't feel like they had to resign him, clearing up future payroll so they can pay Middleton.

My guess is that 4 years/40 million might not be enough.  A team that is heavily invested in analytics might offer him a shocking amount of money.
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2015, 11:22:18 PM »

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Omer Asik is a better defender than Jordan and an equivalent rebounder and is an elite defender against the pick and roll.

Restricted free agent Khris Middleton is a 3 and D SF who can guard multiple positions.

I really like Khris Middleton. Not a guy mentioned much when people talk about upcoming FA's but of all the restricted guys, he might be the most realistically gettable guy for the C's.

Any knowledge of how much Milwaukee values him or how likely they are to match?

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2015, 11:35:17 PM »

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Omer Asik is a better defender than Jordan and an equivalent rebounder and is an elite defender against the pick and roll.

Restricted free agent Khris Middleton is a 3 and D SF who can guard multiple positions.

Good call on Middleton. Just read an article about his rise on Jason Kidd's system. http://www.brewhoop.com/2015/3/4/8131159/khris-middleton-worth-restricted-free-agency Seems legit, how much would he demand though?

Really not sure.  He's going to be a second-choice target for teams that are interested in Leonard and Butler and whiff.  As a restricted free agent, you probably need to overpay.  I thought that with Jabari and Giannis, the Bucks might be willing to let him go, but they may have traded Brandon Knight so they wouldn't feel like they had to resign him, clearing up future payroll so they can pay Middleton.

My guess is that 4 years/40 million might not be enough.  A team that is heavily invested in analytics might offer him a shocking amount of money.

Imagine that. Incredible. $10 million per. Just nuts.

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I think when rebuilding after a fire, it's best to have the foundation first before you start picking out appliances.

Our foundation right now is pretty much non-existent. We're basically a garage sale and using the profits from that we're either going to rebuild from the ground up or buy a nice starter home.

I guess what I'm saying is Talent, Talent, Talent. Don't care what they do as long as they're the best talent we can get at the best value we can manage.
I agree with this, but specific talents would be more useful with the players we currently have in place and the system we run.

Sure, talent trumps all but is there a huge difference between who we select and the picks before and after? If the talent isn't that different from pick to pick going with need makes more sense.

Teams like Atlanta and San Antonio in the past have showed fit can be more important than overall talent.
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2015, 12:14:23 AM »

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The C's need a big... wish we really got McGee...
Our scoring is fine, its our intimidating paint factor that's hurting us.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2015, 12:29:22 AM »

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I think when rebuilding after a fire, it's best to have the foundation first before you start picking out appliances.

Our foundation right now is pretty much non-existent. We're basically a garage sale and using the profits from that we're either going to rebuild from the ground up or buy a nice starter home.

I guess what I'm saying is Talent, Talent, Talent. Don't care what they do as long as they're the best talent we can get at the best value we can manage.
I agree with this, but specific talents would be more useful with the players we currently have in place and the system we run.

Sure, talent trumps all but is there a huge difference between who we select and the picks before and after? If the talent isn't that different from pick to pick going with need makes more sense.

Teams like Atlanta and San Antonio in the past have showed fit can be more important than overall talent.

Mmm..have they?

If you look at the high-talent positions, Jeff Teague, drafted as BPA, Paul Millsap, nobody else wanted to pay him big money on a long-term deal so Atlanta offered a short one, but his numbers in Utah spoke for themselves pretty well. Horford obviously was the BPA at the time (nobody really believed noah would be the player he is today). Korver was a great get, but he was at most a 2nd tier free agent.

The Spurs are kind of the new 2004 Pistons in that they're the team every franchise that doesn't have a superstar but isn't obviously tanking holds up as their "we could be them" team, but the Spurs aren't the Spurs without Tim Duncan, and he's the type (obviously we're not going to get a Tim Duncan) of player we don't have. We don't have a can't miss or is already here flagship talent.

I guess what I'm saying is that we have no Al Horford, no Paul Millsap. Smart is out best valued "asset" outside of our picks, and he's a great piece to have but he's still got a long way to go to deliver on the promise he showed 2 years ago. We've got a bunch of guys Ainge wouldn't mind moving outside of probably Smart. Really if there was a true franchise talent or building block available, I don't have any issue with who we take. We need a flagship talent. Everything else is just musical chairs til we get that.

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2015, 01:03:02 AM »

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Last night...when Scal said that Asik is a MAX Player...almost fell off my chair laughing.

Yeah that's pretty imposing. Someone is going to over-pay him, but I like to think they won't lose their minds in the process. 12 million per maybe, but max? Yikes.

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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2015, 01:23:44 AM »

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Last night...when Scal said that Asik is a MAX Player...almost fell off my chair laughing.

Yeah that's pretty imposing. Someone is going to over-pay him, but I like to think they won't lose their minds in the process. 12 million per maybe, but max? Yikes.

Since he's only been in the NBA five seasons, his max is only 25% of the cap.  I don't think it's laughable at all that he could get that.  I'd certainly considering giving him $15 million.
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