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Am I the only one who doesn't understand the prince deal?
« on: February 20, 2015, 10:15:36 AM »

Offline piercetruth34

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Our do I?  It does nothing for us imo.  It's more for prince's sake to go back to Detroit but both teams are fighting for a playoff spot and similar positions.  What did this trade accomplish?  We have a million 2nd round picks brought in two players that are useless to us. I guess it increases our chances of ending up in the lottery by a slight amount.

With Sully going down maybe this trade was made for the soul purpose of tanking the season.  Just strange we made a move for Thomas.  I guess Ainge liked Thomas and wanted to add a piece but didn't want to increase our playoff chances too much so dealing Prince and having Sully pull up lame might have something to do with it.

People thinking there Is something of value in this trade besides that are kidding themselves though.


Re: Am I the only one who doesn't understand the prince deal?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2015, 10:19:20 AM »

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I guess what I'm saying is usually when ainge deals there is a reason or a point to it.  This trade had no point.  Unless we were just slightly too good with Prince here.  We could have sat Prince though.  I don't understand.

What was the point of this trade? Anyone want to clue me in?

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2015, 10:21:33 AM »

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$7.7 mil trade exception.

Jonas Jerebko can help the Celtics down the stretch. Defense at both forward positions, range to three, good glue guy. Celtics get a trial period on him, and hold his Bird Rights for next season.

Don't know if Datome sticks, but he can shoot.

Celtics gained a nice trade exception, and got younger and deeper with the deal.
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2015, 10:24:27 AM »

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Players are people, how you treat them matters. Just look at the Goran Dragic situation.

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 10:24:54 AM »

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't understand the prince deal?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 10:24:58 AM »

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$7.7 mil trade exception.

Jonas Jerebko can help the Celtics down the stretch. Defense at both forward positions, range to three, good glue guy. Celtics get a trial period on him, and hold his Bird Rights for next season.

Don't know if Datome sticks, but he can shoot.

Celtics gained a nice trade exception, and got younger and deeper with the deal.

So  we picked up more trade exceptions and a young player in Jerebko who if he is anything but an end of the bench guy ultimately I would be surprised. I guess its better than a buyout on Prince.  Couldn't we have just kept prince though?  We already have a ton of trade exceptions don't we and it seems like there is one guy after the other Ainge brings in like Jerebko.  Maybe he will be the one who sticks and is our scalabrine.  I think we've said that before on a few of these guys though.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2015, 10:28:11 AM »

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Opens up room for James Young..... Jerebko is the next possible Scalabrine In a long line of those.  Prince maybe has a better chance to play in Detroit.  Might help us with draft position slightly.

James Young does not look ready to me though at all.

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2015, 10:29:44 AM »

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$7.7 mil trade exception.

Jonas Jerebko can help the Celtics down the stretch. Defense at both forward positions, range to three, good glue guy. Celtics get a trial period on him, and hold his Bird Rights for next season.

Don't know if Datome sticks, but he can shoot.

Celtics gained a nice trade exception, and got younger and deeper with the deal.

So  we picked up more trade exceptions and a young player in Jerebko who if he is anything but an end of the bench guy ultimately I would be surprised. I guess its better than a buyout on Prince.  Couldn't we have just kept prince though?  We already have a ton of trade exceptions don't we and it seems like there is one guy after the other Ainge brings in like Jerebko.  Maybe he will be the one who sticks and is our scalabrine.  I think we've said that before on a few of these guys though.

Actually, Ainge used up two smaller TEs in this deal and consolidated them into one. Not only does it make that TE more powerful, it also extended the expiration date on it/them.

Celtics front office is extremely adept at leveraging every last bit out of trade exceptions. I expect this new one, perhaps combined with one of the Celtics' many draft picks, could net another decent player.

Considering that Sully is in a walking boot, I would not be surprised to see Jerebko quickly assume 15-20 minutes a night in the frontcourt rotation for Brad Stevens.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2015, 10:35:10 AM »

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I believe we also saved some money in the deal (1.7m) according to HoopsHype - not a ton in bball terms, but I would personally be psyched if I saved that much money.

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2015, 10:37:35 AM »

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$7.7 mil trade exception.

Jonas Jerebko can help the Celtics down the stretch. Defense at both forward positions, range to three, good glue guy. Celtics get a trial period on him, and hold his Bird Rights for next season.

Don't know if Datome sticks, but he can shoot.

Celtics gained a nice trade exception, and got younger and deeper with the deal.

So  we picked up more trade exceptions and a young player in Jerebko who if he is anything but an end of the bench guy ultimately I would be surprised. I guess its better than a buyout on Prince.  Couldn't we have just kept prince though?  We already have a ton of trade exceptions don't we and it seems like there is one guy after the other Ainge brings in like Jerebko.  Maybe he will be the one who sticks and is our scalabrine.  I think we've said that before on a few of these guys though.

Actually, Ainge used up two smaller TEs in this deal and consolidated them into one. Not only does it make that TE more powerful, it also extended the expiration date on it/them.

Celtics front office is extremely adept at leveraging every last bit out of trade exceptions. I expect this new one, perhaps combined with one of the Celtics' many draft picks, could net another decent player.

Considering that Sully is in a walking boot, I would not be surprised to see Jerebko quickly assume 15-20 minutes a night in the frontcourt rotation for Brad Stevens.

I too was disappointed that Prince left.  He gave us hope we haven't had around here in the past couple years.  Perhaps, many of us never realized how good a player Prince really is.  This is surprising considering he had games where he torched Pierce mercilessly when he was first with Detroit. 

Although realistically with Sullinger out of the lineup there was virtually no hope to make the playoffs even with Prince.  Thus, letting him go for lesser talent and trade help makes Boston a better team in the long run.  And, that is what Danny is paid to do....look at the big picture. 

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2015, 10:37:46 AM »

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Considering that Sully is in a walking boot, I would not be surprised to see Jerebko quickly assume 15-20 minutes a night in the frontcourt rotation for Brad Stevens.
Given the way our front court is panning out right now, even Randolph might have to assume ~20 mins a night. We have 4 healthy bigs at the moment.
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2015, 10:41:38 AM »

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$7.7 mil trade exception.

Jonas Jerebko can help the Celtics down the stretch. Defense at both forward positions, range to three, good glue guy. Celtics get a trial period on him, and hold his Bird Rights for next season.

Don't know if Datome sticks, but he can shoot.

Celtics gained a nice trade exception, and got younger and deeper with the deal.

So  we picked up more trade exceptions and a young player in Jerebko who if he is anything but an end of the bench guy ultimately I would be surprised. I guess its better than a buyout on Prince.  Couldn't we have just kept prince though?  We already have a ton of trade exceptions don't we and it seems like there is one guy after the other Ainge brings in like Jerebko.  Maybe he will be the one who sticks and is our scalabrine.  I think we've said that before on a few of these guys though.

Actually, Ainge used up two smaller TEs in this deal and consolidated them into one. Not only does it make that TE more powerful, it also extended the expiration date on it/them.

Celtics front office is extremely adept at leveraging every last bit out of trade exceptions. I expect this new one, perhaps combined with one of the Celtics' many draft picks, could net another decent player.

Considering that Sully is in a walking boot, I would not be surprised to see Jerebko quickly assume 15-20 minutes a night in the frontcourt rotation for Brad Stevens.

I too was disappointed that Prince left.  He gave us hope we haven't had around here in the past couple years.  Perhaps, many of us never realized how good a player Prince really is.  This is surprising considering he had games where he torched Pierce mercilessly when he was first with Detroit. 

Although realistically with Sullinger out of the lineup there was virtually no hope to make the playoffs even with Prince.  Thus, letting him go for lesser talent and trade help makes Boston a better team in the long run.  And, that is what Danny is paid to do....look at the big picture.

That's a problem with the NBA today imo is it's a young mans game and all tehse teams want young exciting players. But there are some really good veteran players around that you'd think would serve a role somewhere on a challenging team.  I've always appreciated veteran players and was surprised by how good Prince actually is. Kind of a waste. He's getting paid but for a guy that age you'd think being part of a winning team would be important.

KG going back to Minnesota. Prince going back to Detroit. There should be roles for players of that quality around the nba.  Not every one of them can be Tim Duncan. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2015, 10:47:17 AM »

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I liked the deal. I've watched more Pistons this year than I thought I would following Smith's departure and the short bio on Jerebko on the homepage is quite accurate. Plays well within a system, doesn't do too much, takes smarter shots than most. And he's also what, 6'9/10? I can only assume that a little bit of thought regarding Sully's situation went into this decision.

Jerebko isn't a game changer but he'll help fill a role on this team.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2015, 10:47:59 AM »

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Our do I?  It does nothing for us imo.  It's more for prince's sake to go back to Detroit but both teams are fighting for a playoff spot and similar positions.  What did this trade accomplish?  We have a million 2nd round picks brought in two players that are useless to us. I guess it increases our chances of ending up in the lottery by a slight amount.

With Sully going down maybe this trade was made for the soul purpose of tanking the season.  Just strange we made a move for Thomas.  I guess Ainge liked Thomas and wanted to add a piece but didn't want to increase our playoff chances too much so dealing Prince and having Sully pull up lame might have something to do with it.

People thinking there Is something of value in this trade besides that are kidding themselves though.

Danny Ainge making this deal allows his staff to use the remainder of the season to check out a couple of younger prospects in Jerebko and Datome, without sacrificing any long-term salary flexibility.

As others have said before, if Prince wasn't traded, he was going to be bought out and was coveted by the Clippers whom we don't want to improve because we have their pick.

Ainge trades a 90 year old who has absolutely no future with this team for two far younger players who could be on the roster next year. Pretty clear to me why he did it.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2015, 10:54:40 AM »

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In order of importance, here are the reasons:

1) Consolidating trade exceptions, which could potentially be useful on draft night.
2) Prince didn't want to be here.  He was a good guy while he was, but he wanted to be elsewhere.  Reputation is important in the league, and trading Prince to Detroit is a good way to maintain that positive reputation down the road.  Players and agents need to trust GM's, as we've seen what happened in Phoenix when that trust was broken.
3) Because of reason 2, the alternative was buying Prince out.  Many believed that would occur.  Certainly some teams probably held off negotiating with Ainge because they thought Prince was going to otherwise be bought out.  Next time such a situation occurs, Danny has one more thing to point to and say, "No, I won't have to buy him out.  Believe me, and let's make a deal."
4) Jonas Jerebko is mildly interesting, especially in the offense Stevens is trying to run.

Unlike some in this thread, I don't believe Datome is long for this roster.  Yes, Ainge was interested two years ago, but you can't ignore the complete lack of production Datome has shown at the NBA level.