C's pursuing Cousins per Sam Smith

[bleedGREENdon]

Cousins and sully would probably be the slowest front court in the league.

[hpantazo]

Cousins and sully would probably be the slowest front court in the league.

Same could be said for Cousins and Olynyk, or Sully and Olynyk....

[Celtics4ever]

Cousins and sully would probably be the slowest front court in the league.

If we got Counsins, Sully would be expendable.   I know the likelyhood of deal is small but I wonder if Jared would not have to be part of the deal to make it happen.

Correction - we've been chasing a big man/Center since circa 1992 (to replace an aging Parish).  Pervis Ellison, Eric Montross, failing to get Tim Duncan, Mark Blount, etc. did not cut it. 

Correction - Perk was servicable and KG was awesome.

[Snakehead]

Not sure why you think Cousins in particularly slow...  Is he slower than Tyler Zeller?   Not even a major issue on our team right now and Cousins is a better athlete than any big we have.

If you get Cousins, Sully is definitely expendable.  I think Olynyk is the perfect player to play next to Cousins.  He would make it so hard to double team with your PF.

[KeepRondo]

I highly doubt Cousins is going anywhere, but my "all in" trade would be:

Wallace, Bradley, Zeller, and 5x 1st rounders
Brooklyn 2016, 2017, 2018, Cleveland (unprotected in 2019), Memphis (2017-2021 lesser protections)

AFAIK that would be the most picks ever traded for one player, and Bradley + Zeller are both useful players.

This would leave us with our own picks, plus a core of:
Smart, Young, Olynyk, Sullinger, Turner, Cousins @ $27M

We could sign 2 max free agents in the offseason, and likely gear up for another S&T the next summer. Let's say Butler & Green, and we draft Cauley-Stein as a high value defensive role player:

Smart / (vet min / exception?)
J Butler / Young
D Green / Turner
Sullinger / Olynyk
Cousins / Cauley-Stein

That team would be scary defensively with up to 5 All-Defensive caliber players (Smart, Butler, Green, Cousins, Cauley-Stein), and multiple scorers (Cousins, Sullinger, Butler, Olynyk and hopefully Young).

We would *still* own all of our own picks, plus anything we get for Bass or Prince or Thornton.

Those Brooklyn picks could easily end up producing multiple players near or better then Cousins. I would give up one of them only.

[Celtics4ever]

Those Brooklyn picks could easily end up producing multiple players near or better then Cousins.

Do you really think that, I have bridge I would like to sell you please PM me.  JK
 
But I do not concur with that assessment.

[byennie]

Those Brooklyn picks could easily end up producing multiple players near or better then Cousins. I would give up one of them only.

Easily multiple players better than Cousins? All 3 picks could end up in the lottery and the odds would still be strongly against getting a single All-NBA center. Getting him for 1 of them is laughable.

[KeepRondo]

Those Brooklyn picks could easily end up producing multiple players near or better then Cousins. I would give up one of them only.

Easily multiple players better than Cousins? All 3 picks could end up in the lottery and the odds would still be strongly against getting a single All-NBA center. Getting him for 1 of them is laughable.

This is over shooting for a very high risk player. And those Brooklyn picks could easily be top 5 picks. I don't see what's so unlikely that those picks couldn't produce more value then Cousins.

If we were talking about a Russell Westbrook type of player then I would make this trade.

[D.o.s.]

As much as I'd like to believe it....I just can't.  I have to believe that Karl not only accepts having Cousins on the team, but wants him there.  He is a one of a kind asset...if the Kings are going to go anywhere, odds are that Cousins is the guy to lead the charge.

I think this is overlooked. People assuming Karl won't/can't coach cousins aren't giving him his due as a coach. It's similar in some ways to assuming Phil Jackson would've traded 2001 Shaq because he'd never coached a dominant back-to-the-basket center before.

[Endless Paradise]

Those Brooklyn picks could easily end up producing multiple players near or better then Cousins. I would give up one of them only.

Easily multiple players better than Cousins? All 3 picks could end up in the lottery and the odds would still be strongly against getting a single All-NBA center. Getting him for 1 of them is laughable.

This is over shooting for a very high risk player. And those Brooklyn picks could easily be top 5 picks. I don't see what's so unlikely that those picks couldn't produce more value then Cousins.

If we were talking about a Russell Westbrook type of player then I would make this trade.

This is what I was getting at when I suggested the fetishization of first rounders in recent times is absolutely ridiculous.

[fairweatherfan]

Those Brooklyn picks could easily end up producing multiple players near or better then Cousins. I would give up one of them only.

Easily multiple players better than Cousins? All 3 picks could end up in the lottery and the odds would still be strongly against getting a single All-NBA center. Getting him for 1 of them is laughable.

This is over shooting for a very high risk player. And those Brooklyn picks could easily be top 5 picks. I don't see what's so unlikely that those picks couldn't produce more value then Cousins.

If we were talking about a Russell Westbrook type of player then I would make this trade.

What % of top 5 picks do you think wind up better than Cousins is now?  Some, but not most.  And that's in the unlikely event multiple picks are in the top 5.  Brooklyn's future is looking bad but not that bad.

This is what I was getting at when I suggested the fetishization of first rounders in recent times is absolutely ridiculous.

The nice thing about potential is that it never has to show up to always be present.

[acieEarl]

Personally I'd like to see Cousins play with Smart. Smart's defense is infectious and would keep Cousins interested in playing it. I'd think Boston got plenty to offer without including Smart.

The only way I see Cousins getting traded right now, if he's really got an issue with Karl and management knows the two can't work together. I don't think this is the case. By the end of the season is very well may be the case and Cousins will be traded.

[KeepRondo]

Those Brooklyn picks could easily end up producing multiple players near or better then Cousins. I would give up one of them only.

Easily multiple players better than Cousins? All 3 picks could end up in the lottery and the odds would still be strongly against getting a single All-NBA center. Getting him for 1 of them is laughable.

This is over shooting for a very high risk player. And those Brooklyn picks could easily be top 5 picks. I don't see what's so unlikely that those picks couldn't produce more value then Cousins.

If we were talking about a Russell Westbrook type of player then I would make this trade.

This is what I was getting at when I suggested the fetishization of first rounders in recent times is absolutely ridiculous.

ok Steven A Smith

[Celtics4ever]

I think it is unrealistic as well.  I would love to see it and my heart is thrilled that there is even a snowball chance but my mind tells me the chance is less than nothing.

[e4e5sesame]

As much as I'd like to believe it....I just can't.  I have to believe that Karl not only accepts having Cousins on the team, but wants him there.  He is a one of a kind asset...if the Kings are going to go anywhere, odds are that Cousins is the guy to lead the charge.

I think this is overlooked. People assuming Karl won't/can't coach cousins aren't giving him his due as a coach. It's similar in some ways to assuming Phil Jackson would've traded 2001 Shaq because he'd never coached a dominant back-to-the-basket center before.

I'm not sure I can swallow the 2015 George Karl and 1999 (I assume you meant 1999?) Phil Jackson comparison.  On one hand we have a guy who has made it out of the first round once in his last 10 attempts.  On the other, a guy who had already won 6 championships when he took over the Lakers.

That being said, I agree with you that if D'Alessandro has consulted Karl about Cousins, there's no way Karl advocated for a trade.  It's pretty clear that he is obsessed with setting the all-time record for NBA wins (he wouldn't have taken the worst coaching gig in the NBA if he wasn't), and at his age he has to be in constant win-now mode.  Trading superstars for other superstars is pretty much unheard of in the NBA, so they aren't going to get full return on any Cousins move until 2-3 years down the line.  I can't believe that Karl would be very happy about that.