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Concerned
« on: February 10, 2015, 09:14:20 AM »

Offline arctic 3.0

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Nothing against Oly but I'm beginning to worry about Danny's draft scouting.
He made decision to move up in the draft to get Oly.
Doing so he passed on giannis.
Danny thought he had a inside track but chose a complimentary piece over a kid who looks like a star in the making.,.

Re: Concerned
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2015, 09:32:38 AM »

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what exactly are you concerned about?

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2015, 09:35:20 AM »

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I'd question more 3J and Fab, who both seemed to be late-first picks by need, rather than BPA. Not generally a good idea.

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2015, 09:35:37 AM »

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Since he drafted a solid NBA player in the middle of the draft, not that concerned. 

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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 09:52:36 AM »

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what exactly are you concerned about?
He targeted a player he thought was worth moving up for.
While KO's a nice piece he has been eclipsed by GA.
With the stack of chips da is holding he is sure to make similar moves to move up and grab a player he thinks is worth cashing in for.
My concern is that he'll spend chips and we'll end up with a lot of KO's while teams drafting behind us land the next GA...

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2015, 10:09:58 AM »

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I'd question more 3J and Fab, who both seemed to be late-first picks by need, rather than BPA. Not generally a good idea.
Thing about his other whiffs is that he did not trade up, consolidate assets to get them.
When he bundles multiple picks to move up he must be thinking " this is the guy". It's a fine strategy but when you use it you don't want to look back and say "oy" when looking what the guy drafted after our pick is doing.

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2015, 10:13:02 AM »

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I'm no big Olynyk fan, but I think it WAS worth it to trade up for him, at least at this point.

The original pick we had was for Lucas Nogueira who has played a grand total of 20 minutes in the nba. The 2 second round picks may turn out to be valuable and I do hope Cleanthony Early makes an nba career for himself, but at this point he hasn't separated himself from any other second rounder, and Olynyk has shown himself to be worth 2 second round picks easily.

People need to stop expecting KO to be a McHale/Dirk hybrid. He still has a ways to go, but if he can more of a hybrid between Ersan Ilyasova and Spencer Hawes, he will certainly be a valuable piece and worth a midround pick in a very weak draft.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2015, 10:25:29 AM »

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I'd question more 3J and Fab, who both seemed to be late-first picks by need, rather than BPA. Not generally a good idea.
Fab was a pick most people here found questionable, including me, so I get the issue with Danny picking him -- especially in light of several other players taken later doing well.

Who is it that you think the C's should have taken instead of JJ?  Agreed he was a disappointment but the kid had the physical tools to be a decent player.  just didn't seem to have the mental make-up to succeed.  I have no problem with that pick based on who was available.  only 2 players you could make a case for are Parsons and Butler which a number of other teams missed on in that draft.

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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2015, 10:55:49 AM »

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I sometimes lack confidence in Ainge (and this is the only area of his I do) about his going for guys who can play who don't have a position.   He seems to love tweeners.   Sometimes it pans out and their flaws are outdone by their play but he loves taking a risky high reward guy that drops and other teams avoid.

Sometimes he gambled on a guys talent who is small like Powe, granted it was a late gamble.   Gamble on an over weight guy in Big Baby.   Both are tweeners.  Sully had the bad back and it seems weight issues.   Kelly and Jared are not stellar athletes.   Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.   
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2015, 11:41:32 AM »

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How many blogs are bashing their GM for picking anyone after Brandon Roy in 2006 and "passing" on Rajon Rondo. Can you believe they all passed on a 4x all star, 4x all defensive team, and champion?

1. Hindsight is 20/20
and 2. Lets see how GA plays out. I may be in the minority but I'm not seeing what the hype is all about. Rudy Gay was/is athletic but that doesn't always mean success.
 
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Maybe he doesn't win the draft every year but look at the franchises who drafted players everyone on here seems to think we should of had:

Minny (Dieng)- Ya check that franchise track record
Utah (Gobert)- Solid roster like ours but they seem worse and what's really happened there since Malone?
Milwaukee (GA)- Parker (we'll see), Bogut, trading away dirk?
ATL (Schodeder)- First decent pick since Hortford
Nets (Plumlee)- Anyone want to be a Nets fan? Anyone?

Drafting doesn't define your record unless you mss every year.
The Nets will finish with the worst record and the Celtics will end up with the 4th pick.

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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2015, 11:58:13 AM »

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I'd question more 3J and Fab, who both seemed to be late-first picks by need, rather than BPA. Not generally a good idea.
Fab was a pick most people here found questionable, including me, so I get the issue with Danny picking him -- especially in light of several other players taken later doing well.

Who is it that you think the C's should have taken instead of JJ?  Agreed he was a disappointment but the kid had the physical tools to be a decent player.  just didn't seem to have the mental make-up to succeed.  I have no problem with that pick based on who was available.  only 2 players you could make a case for are Parsons and Butler which a number of other teams missed on in that draft.

Danny took a chance with Melo, a project big. The only other players taken who were doing well were Green, Crowder (who we have), Plumlee and Mike Scott. At the time we have Jeff Green, and Bigs were generally valued more than wings. If I was in the same spot I wouldve gambled with a big as well, probably Plumlee, but it seems Ainge valued Defense over athleticism at the time, esp we didnt have a true rim protector. He already got a sure thing with Sully, so he went and gambled with Melo. It didn't pay off sure, but what if it did?

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I sometimes lack confidence in Ainge (and this is the only area of his I do) about his going for guys who can play who don't have a position.   He seems to love tweeners.   Sometimes it pans out and their flaws are outdone by their play but he loves taking a risky high reward guy that drops and other teams avoid.

Sometimes he gambled on a guys talent who is small like Powe, granted it was a late gamble.   Gamble on an over weight guy in Big Baby.   Both are tweeners.  Sully had the bad back and it seems weight issues.   Kelly and Jared are not stellar athletes.   Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.

I see your point, but I'm wondering if this was based on necessity, though. In those situations, Danny was desperate for a cheap sixth man/significant role player (Powe) and talent (drafting at 21). When Olynyk was drafted, I think Danny was still behind the "rebuild-with-Rondo" strategy. He himself described Kelly as a role player, nothing more, but he was, at the time, better then GA. I genuinely think the nuclear option was Danny's plan Z, but it's come to that and some of his previous decisions don't line up with the current course of action.

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Nothing against Oly but I'm beginning to worry about Danny's draft scouting.
He made decision to move up in the draft to get Oly.
Doing so he passed on giannis.
Danny thought he had a inside track but chose a complimentary piece over a kid who looks like a star in the making.,.
Well, the positive would be that a great piece like Giannis was available even in a weak draft
I trust Danny Ainge

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2015, 01:04:23 PM »

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Nothing against Oly but I'm beginning to worry about Danny's draft scouting.
He made decision to move up in the draft to get Oly.
Doing so he passed on giannis.
Danny thought he had a inside track but chose a complimentary piece over a kid who looks like a star in the making.,.

My concern about Danny started when he took Rondo ahead of anyone in 2006. After that it was all downhill and everyone we drafted sucked worse than the last man on the bench of the 2014-15 Sixers DLeague affiliate.

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