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True rebuild or Rent a Chip
« on: February 06, 2015, 06:26:23 AM »

Offline Ogaju

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does anyone know which strategy DA will employ to get Banner 18?

Is he going to do a real rebuild and have a team like Spurs that will win and stay competitive for years to come or is he going the 2008 Celtics route where you pretty much rent some aging HOFamers  with a closing window to make a run in the short run and then have to another rebuild in a couple of years.

Jusding by how painful it was for us to watch the Celtics struggle against teams with younger legs after the 2008 Chip season I will opt for the Spurs model where you build a team that will compete for yearsd to come rather than a team with a small window.

Re: True rebuild or Rent a Chip
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2015, 07:45:35 AM »

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I think this team is building toward sustained winning. If Rondo was still in the fold we would be in "rent a chip mode" cashing assets for a couple of 30 years olds and competing for 2-3 years. This rebuild will take longer but with great ownership, young improving talent and a young couch its just up to everyone to stay patient. I expect the Cs to make the playoffs as soon as next season and stay their for a long time.
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Re: True rebuild or Rent a Chip
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2015, 10:34:01 AM »

Offline Ogaju

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that is better for sustained success of the franchise.

Re: True rebuild or Rent a Chip
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2015, 10:39:50 AM »

Offline Chris22

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Danny is doing a great job.

Six first round picks in the next two years plus cap space.

Re: True rebuild or Rent a Chip
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2015, 10:47:50 AM »

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What makes you think Ainge can simply decide to do one or the other and be guaranteed to make either happen?

Ainge will set himself up to be in the best position to take advantage of whatever opportunities arise.  If the team gets a chance to draft or acquire a young foundational star, then Ainge will use picks to build a team for the long term. 

If the first, best opportunity to get a true star is when a late 20s / early 30s guy is ready to leave his team, Ainge will pounce on that and go for a shorter window.

To put it simply, the name of the game here is to find a window, whether large or small.  Getting a window that's open at all is the hardest thing to do in this league.

We'd all obviously prefer the longest possible window, but if a short term gamble results in a championship and a handful of very competitive seasons (again), nobody will have any reason to complain.

I'm of the opinion that this time around we're going to have to be very patient while Ainge builds a core team through the draft and lower-profile trades and FA signings, though.  I'd be very surprised to see another Big 3 come together in a summer.
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Re: True rebuild or Rent a Chip
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2015, 04:56:18 AM »

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I'm forever grateful for that 2008 championship, but that squad had a very small window of contention and I might admit that if they didn't get so fortunate in winning that title that same year we probably would have been stuck in a championship drought. When KG blew out is knee our hopes went down the drain. With Perk blowing his in game 6 of the 2010 Finals that pretty much sealed that series Vs Lakers. By 2012 we were running on fumes and extremely short-handed when we battled Miami in the ECF up until a game 7. Had Green and AB not have missed the season and David West had chosen to sign with us instead of Indiana we would have definitely been able to beat them! While all those playoff runs were great and we won it all in '08, it was the fact that all three, Pierce, KG and Allen were on their downward spirals of their primes. If they had gotten together three years earlier we would have 3-peated no doubt. But it did not happen and we got them somewhat late. Short windows to compete are risky because you're gambling on health and luck. By 2010 we weren't even favored to get past the 2nd round and that was because teams like Orlando and Cleveland were much younger and had a longer title window. Those are the teams we should build to become. I have belief that by year 4 of the Stevens era we can be looking to be playoff bound, heck even next year if Ainge utilizes his assets wisely. We need to build a team that will last years and years of competitiveness. That won't only make us better to sustain the grueling 82 regular + 3 rounds of the playoffs, but will also make us appealing to any FA looking to compete for a ring. Players like West and even CP3 (though the latter loves to be a celebrity kook) refused to come here because we were, well, old! We don't want to go through that again. We want a Spurs-like longevity, not a Nets-like desperation one. I don't mind waiting years to compete as long as I see that the team is actually improving and drafting and developing players that you know will dominate games or play perfect basketball. Tons of folks love the superstar pairings, but that doesn't always work (see 2013 Lakers, 2013 Nets). We're not going through another championship run like we did when the Big 3 first played together. That was a one in a lifetime run. So in conclusion I am pro draft development, then landing major impact FAs with the contender team we've built. Let's be like the 80's Celtics or the modern era Spurs, or even the 2014 Hawks; a well balanced team with unselfish players and sustained success.

Re: True rebuild or Rent a Chip
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2015, 07:03:28 AM »

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To put it simply, the name of the GAME here is to find a window, whether large or small.  Getting a window that's open at all is the hardest thing to do in this league.
Hit the nail on the head

Re: True rebuild or Rent a Chip
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2015, 07:13:18 AM »

Offline outflip50

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The one thing that Danny has done well to this point is not commit to a single theory on the type of rebuild he can do. He has left the door open to go in any direction. He can go after free agents with cap space, he can trade for large contracts with trade exceptions or he can just stay on the slow steady through the draft and gathering assets. To me as long as he does it right, maximizes assets and continues to upgrade the talent pool, I for one can remain patient.

Re: True rebuild or Rent a Chip
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2015, 07:53:09 AM »

Offline BornReady

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Danny can do any or a combination of both where he drafts the stars but uses some of the draft picks to trade for good starters

Seeing as we have so many picks esp second rounders we could trade up or trade for bench players once we have our stars

Re: True rebuild or Rent a Chip
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2015, 09:02:18 AM »

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I think we need a blue chip draftee or young Wiggins, Parker ,  type player or center prospect first for a young building block.

Then use use the rest of the assets to get a couple more established elite talent players .