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[gift]

The 6 year contract was given specifically because the team was going to be rebuilding, the coach needed security and the front office understood and expected a learning curve on his part.

He's going through the rough years right now and will be given the chance to prove himself with a good team just like Doc was. Danny doesn't fire coaches but he'll let them walk if they really want to (O'Brien, Doc).

[GreenFaith1819]

Given all that he's had to deal with (Not even 2 years NBA experience, yet......roster in constant flux, best player injured (Rondo), etc, etc)...Coach Brad Stevens is doing well.

He got Jordan Crawford (remember him?) to buy in...JC seemed to respond well to BS and played well for him after seemingly failing in Washington.

He's smart, and seems to have this roster motivated in spite of the flux. We're only a few games out of the last spot for the playoffs in spite of it all.

We just took 3/4 out west...haven't seen The Celtics do THAT well out west in a few years.

I imagine BS will do even better as Danny continues to rebuild this team.

[MBunge]

The 6 year contract was given specifically because the team was going to be rebuilding, the coach needed security and the front office understood and expected a learning curve on his part.

He's going through the rough years right now and will be given the chance to prove himself with a good team just like Doc was. Danny doesn't fire coaches but he'll let them walk if they really want to (O'Brien, Doc).

And what if Stevens just isn't a good NBA coach?  I was excited when Ainge got him and he certainly hasn't been a disaster but Stevens was hired because he was supposed to be something special and after an offseason, a training camp, a preseason, a regular season, another offseason, another training camp, another preseason and more than half a regular season, he hasn't done anything plenty of NBA assistants couldn't have done.

Mike

[nickagneta]

Stevens isn't being fired from his long term deal until he fails to produce wins for an organization that wants wins. Right now this team has little talent and are doing what they can to rebuild through the draft. Ainge doesn't  care if they win. My guess is Stevens pretty much has two more years where he won't be expected to win much.

Smart has grown as a player this year. Zeller has developed. Turner has become a better pro. Olynyk appeared in better physical shape. Sully's shooting is improving. These are the things Ainge cares about and will care about for the next few years.

Stevens is safe and doing his job and will be for a while

[Rosco917]

With what this guy has to deal with, all the trades, the veteran players coming and going, the one and done college kids, the veterans that didn't play defense for two years, the lack of a decent big man that can defend. His only real scorer traded away. I mean look at the cards Stevens was dealt.

At least the Knicks have Mello +, Philly has two developing bigs +, LA is a big time draw for free agents, Brad Stevens better hope DA can deal and draft or at the of 6 years he'll feel like he's 60.   

[hwangjini_1]

Brad is trying to lose.

Otherwise, Bradley would not be starting.

You sure? He looks like he is trying to win.

Rondo's gone.  Time for a new target, eh?

yeah, beat me to it. the sully-sucks threads have run their course. KO is injured. avery actually played some good games and those "he sucks" threads are tired as well.

so, it's back to the let's-all-dump-on-CBS-since-he-cant-coach-a-pee-wee-team.

CBS is fine. the team simply has very little good talent and it is mismatched. let's move on.

[chambers]

The 6 year contract was given specifically because the team was going to be rebuilding, the coach needed security and the front office understood and expected a learning curve on his part.

He's going through the rough years right now and will be given the chance to prove himself with a good team just like Doc was. Danny doesn't fire coaches but he'll let them walk if they really want to (O'Brien, Doc).

And what if Stevens just isn't a good NBA coach?  I was excited when Ainge got him and he certainly hasn't been a disaster but Stevens was hired because he was supposed to be something special and after an offseason, a training camp, a preseason, a regular season, another offseason, another training camp, another preseason and more than half a regular season, he hasn't done anything plenty of NBA assistants couldn't have done.

Mike

I'm not sure what you're saying is true though. Could plenty of NBA assistants really gotten this many wins out of this heinous roster?
We have an utterly terrible team with no rim protection and no shooters- and he's managed to make them look very competitive at times with ball movement and smart basketball.

It's fine to list how long he's had (which is a drop in a bucket as far as NBA coaching experience goes), but at the end of the day, a coach is only as good as his players will let him be.
Would Phil Jackson get more wins out of this team? Would Rick Carlisle? I doubt it.

[colincb]

Stevens has the team playing hard and being a lot more competitive than should be expected given the need to showcase talent, roster turnover, mismatched rosters, lack of stars/closer(s), and excessive youth.

[saltlover]

The 6 year contract was given specifically because the team was going to be rebuilding, the coach needed security and the front office understood and expected a learning curve on his part.

He's going through the rough years right now and will be given the chance to prove himself with a good team just like Doc was. Danny doesn't fire coaches but he'll let them walk if they really want to (O'Brien, Doc).

And what if Stevens just isn't a good NBA coach?  I was excited when Ainge got him and he certainly hasn't been a disaster but Stevens was hired because he was supposed to be something special and after an offseason, a training camp, a preseason, a regular season, another offseason, another training camp, another preseason and more than half a regular season, he hasn't done anything plenty of NBA assistants couldn't have done.

Mike

For perspective, of the current 15 players on the C's roster, only 6 have been on the team since Stevens started, all of a season and a half ago.  4 of the 15 players on the roster as of Stevens first game coaching are no longer in the NBA.  He's had 29 players appear in a game during this time span, and that number could rise any day as two players on the current roster havent played.  I wouldn't be surprised if as many as 5 players on the roster now, which has seen 20 players on it (not including guys like Rivers and CDR who never showed), were gone by March.  It's frankly impossible to judge a coach when he actually doesn't get the chance to do much out-of-game coaching, and even moreso when a decent portion of the players he's working with are borderline NBA players to begin with.

I'm not saying you're wrong that he hasn't been special.  But I'm not sure what special could look like given the situation he and the players have been in.  I'm glad Ainge signed him to a six-year deal, because I'd like to see him get 2-3 years with an actual group of NBA players and a roster that is largely consistent for a couple of years.  And hopefully that era of consistency begins this summer.

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The 6 year contract was given specifically because the team was going to be rebuilding, the coach needed security and the front office understood and expected a learning curve on his part.

He's going through the rough years right now and will be given the chance to prove himself with a good team just like Doc was. Danny doesn't fire coaches but he'll let them walk if they really want to (O'Brien, Doc).

And what if Stevens just isn't a good NBA coach?  I was excited when Ainge got him and he certainly hasn't been a disaster but Stevens was hired because he was supposed to be something special and after an offseason, a training camp, a preseason, a regular season, another offseason, another training camp, another preseason and more than half a regular season, he hasn't done anything plenty of NBA assistants couldn't have done.

Mike

I'm not sure what you're saying is true though. Could plenty of NBA assistants really gotten this many wins out of this heinous roster?
We have an utterly terrible team with no rim protection and no shooters- and he's managed to make them look very competitive at times with ball movement and smart basketball.

Okay, this is what I have a problem with.  Now, the roster right now after trading away Rondo and Green for, in the short-term, Prince and Crowder is definitely weaker than any time Stevens has been here.  But the desire to run down the players to make Stevens look good drives me crazy.

Rondo - starter for Western Conference playoff team.
Green - starter for Western Conference playoff team.
Humphries - first big off the bench for Eastern Conference playoff team.
Wright - first big off the bench for a Western Conference playoff team.

Bradley, Turner, Smart, Sully, KO, Thornton, Zeller.

That is NOT a horrible collection of talent.  It's not great but to suggest that winning as few games as Boston has the last season and a half with that talent is ridiculous.

Thornton, Bradley, Smart,

[D.o.s.]

The 6 year contract was given specifically because the team was going to be rebuilding, the coach needed security and the front office understood and expected a learning curve on his part.

He's going through the rough years right now and will be given the chance to prove himself with a good team just like Doc was. Danny doesn't fire coaches but he'll let them walk if they really want to (O'Brien, Doc).

And what if Stevens just isn't a good NBA coach?  I was excited when Ainge got him and he certainly hasn't been a disaster but Stevens was hired because he was supposed to be something special and after an offseason, a training camp, a preseason, a regular season, another offseason, another training camp, another preseason and more than half a regular season, he hasn't done anything plenty of NBA assistants couldn't have done.

Mike

I'm not sure what you're saying is true though. Could plenty of NBA assistants really gotten this many wins out of this heinous roster?
We have an utterly terrible team with no rim protection and no shooters- and he's managed to make them look very competitive at times with ball movement and smart basketball.

Okay, this is what I have a problem with.  Now, the roster right now after trading away Rondo and Green for, in the short-term, Prince and Crowder is definitely weaker than any time Stevens has been here.  But the desire to run down the players to make Stevens look good drives me crazy.

Rondo - starter for Western Conference playoff team.
Green - starter for Western Conference playoff team.
Humphries - first big off the bench for Eastern Conference playoff team.
Wright - first big off the bench for a Western Conference playoff team.

Bradley, Turner, Smart, Sully, KO, Thornton, Zeller.

That is NOT a horrible collection of talent.  It's not great but to suggest that winning as few games as Boston has the last season and a half with that talent is ridiculous.

Thornton, Bradley, Smart,

In totality, they're not bad, but how many players from that list actually saw the floor at the same time?

I kind of agree with you about Stevens' coaching, by the way. Not very exciting.

[wayupnorth]

We've seen bits and pieces and indications of good things from Stevens' coaching but I think it's fair to say he hasn't looked much like a guy who needed to be locked up with a 6 year contract.

Mike

exactly.  and at 6 million per season.  Danny is generous

3 years at 3 million per season  would of been good enough

Like I stated, he will get one more season to make things right.

You seriously must be like 12 years old.

[Celtics4ever]

I think we are over achieving not under achieving but I see us as having mixed parts and we lack of talent.

[D.o.s.]

I think we are over achieving not under achieving but I see us as having mixed parts and we lack of talent.

This season, or in total since Doc left?

[indeedproceed]

I thought I was walking into a thread about how 2 Broke Girls and Blue Bloods were terrible, and how Big Bang Theory has lost its teeth.

I have not gotten used to the CBS acronym.