Sully has developed better than Olynyk has.

[SHAQATTACK]

It changes weekly with these two guys .   

One week Sully is down and out about something ...in a funk .   ....then Kelly cones in plays like a vet.....

Then Kelly goes into a funk ...Sully steps in and takes over .....mental weakness

It's back and forth

Will they both play great at the same time ? Is the question.?

[spikelovetheCelts]

It changes weekly with these two guys .   

One week Sully is down and out about something ...in a funk .   ....then Kelly cones in plays like a vet.....

Then Kelly goes into a funk ...Sully steps in and takes over .....mental weakness

It's back and forth

Will they both play great at the same time ? Is the question.?

I like both Salt and Pepper sometimes more pepper than salt sometimes more salt than pepper.

[Celtics4ever]

Sully came into the league the same guy he always been.   His body is the same, has never improved.  Oly is changing his body.  Both of these came into the league with some skills.

Both these guys have finite ceilings due to their athletic limitations or body types.

Yes, Sully looks like a keeper at times, but not sure he can peak past say....Carlos Boozer.  And depending who you ask that is good or disappointing.

Your completely ignoring defense though in your assessments.  Neither is anything to write home about in that regard.

The Jury still out on both players.

 I really do not think it is if your truly honest and not a complete homer.   I think we know what we have in both of them, skilled but flawed players that are complimentary players and not stars.  Sully is argue to be the best player on the team now, but look at our team.   On a team like the Cavs he would be coming off the pine, ditto for about any good team in the league.  So there is your answer, we have two bench bigs.

[Neurotic Guy]

It changes weekly with these two guys .   

One week Sully is down and out about something ...in a funk .   ....then Kelly cones in plays like a vet.....

Then Kelly goes into a funk ...Sully steps in and takes over .....mental weakness

It's back and forth

Will they both play great at the same time ? Is the question.?

Last 2 games both sully and KO with good numbers. Hope that continues.

[spikelovetheCelts]

It changes weekly with these two guys .   

One week Sully is down and out about something ...in a funk .   ....then Kelly cones in plays like a vet.....

Then Kelly goes into a funk ...Sully steps in and takes over .....mental weakness

It's back and forth

Will they both play great at the same time ? Is the question.?

Last 2 games both sully and KO with good numbers. Hope that continues.

When you know you are the future you step up. I think both will continue to rise. They both worked very hard this past summer and I don't see why that will not continue. It should be fun to watch the rest of the season.

[Rosco917]

Sully came into the league the same guy he always been.   His body is the same, has never improved.  Oly is changing his body.  Both of these came into the league with some skills.

Both these guys have finite ceilings due to their athletic limitations or body types.

Yes, Sully looks like a keeper at times, but not sure he can peak past say....Carlos Boozer.  And depending who you ask that is good or disappointing.

Your completely ignoring defense though in your assessments.  Neither is anything to write home about in that regard.

The Jury still out on both players.

 I really do not think it is if your truly honest and not a complete homer.   I think we know what we have in both of them, skilled but flawed players that are complimentary players and not stars.  Sully is argue to be the best player on the team now, but look at our team.   On a team like the Cavs he would be coming off the pine, ditto for about any good team in the league.  So there is your answer, we have two bench bigs.

That's about the size of it. The upside on KO will always be weighed down by the fact that he has no
defensive presence for a 7' power forward or "heaven forbid" Center. And he never will. He has no spring in is legs and feet at all. Getting stronger really will not help him. He fouls so much because he's needs to take a chance to try to slow the action down, so he can catch up to it.
The opposing teams Book on the Celtics must have a mention of Kelly Olynyk factor, if he's in the game... attack.   

Sully simply has to loose 25 lb. His skills are developing. A Sullinger that weighs in at a real 250, 260 will move much better, defend better, and be able to stay in the game longer. He will never be a defensive stopper, but there is a chance he could become average.   

[Celtics18]

An observation.

I know Sully has been in the league for a year longer, but he's become more aggressive in the paint and has developed a better outside game (knocking down the 3 more often.)

Sully also has a better feel for the game. To me, his only disadvantage is he gets outplayed by more athletic power forwards in the league

Olynyk, on the other hand, looks lost. Not very aggressive, doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball, doesn't really play defense and doesn't have a consistent outside shot.

Doesn't really seem to know what he's doing.

If we are going by trade value, I'd say Sully has a lot more of it than Olynyk has right now.

I agree with the bolded sentence.  I also think Kelly could well have more upside. 

For me, the above statements add up to me thinking it might be a good idea to trade Sully for an upgrade at a position of more need. 

[SHAQATTACK]

I like both guys .  Pretty much equal.

Celtics need a serious quality center to help these young power forwards.  So they can just work on their game at the four position

Making these young guys play TWO pistons or learn two positions with other rookies is tuff.

Zeller is fine backup .....I really like him ....hope he stays .....

But that said .....he doesn't take a lot of pressure off KO and Sully ...or make them better .

A franchise center BIG is what's needed.   

[Neurotic Guy]

The Jury still out on both players.

 I really do not think it is if your truly honest and not a complete homer.   I think we know what we have in both of them, skilled but flawed players that are complimentary players and not stars.  Sully is argue to be the best player on the team now, but look at our team.   On a team like the Cavs he would be coming off the pine, ditto for about any good team in the league.  So there is your answer, we have two bench bigs.

Though I agree that they are skilled, yet flawed comlimentary players -- I think that description fits every complimentary player in the league.  There is a good deal of wiggle room there -- from 10-15 minute bench players to consistent 15/10 guys.   

[Celtics4ever]

Sully simply has to loose 25 lb. His skills are developing. A Sullinger that weighs in at a real 250, 260 will move much better, defend better, and be able to stay in the game longer. He will never be a defensive stopper, but there is a chance he could become average.

Praytell what skills he has developed.  His three point shooting has improved slightly, otherwise he is same player that he came into the league as, and that includes his body type sadly.  He was fully developed from OSU.  Skill is not the issues with these guys, it is drive ( too much taking plays off and laziness), limited athletic ability(both have finite ceilings),  commitment ( Sully's shape and fitness levels are horrible) and shot selection ( Sully thinks he can make them all sadly and Kelly is too passive)and improving their physical fitness.

[HomerSapien]

I'm pretty happy with the way Sully has played this season - especially after breaking out of that awful shooting slump.

He is starting to get a good idea of where "his" shots are, and has spent more time in the post to complement the 3-point shots that drive many on this blog crazy. He has developed a pretty nice fadaway jumper that he can get off on most post defenders. Also, recently his defense has improved with more consistent effort and better positioning.

He really does need to drop some weight though. Until that happens his defense can never be described as anything other that "less bad". It will also allow him to be a quicker roller and driver which is important because Sully needs a lot of ways to attack a defense since he is short.

Some combination is Boozer, Z-bo, and Paul Milsap is who Sully should be modeling his game after.

[Surferdad]

An observation.

I know Sully has been in the league for a year longer, but he's become more aggressive in the paint and has developed a better outside game (knocking down the 3 more often.)

Sully also has a better feel for the game. To me, his only disadvantage is he gets outplayed by more athletic power forwards in the league

Olynyk, on the other hand, looks lost. Not very aggressive, doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball, doesn't really play defense and doesn't have a consistent outside shot.

Doesn't really seem to know what he's doing.

If we are going by trade value, I'd say Sully has a lot more of it than Olynyk has right now.

I agree with the bolded sentence.  I also think Kelly could well have more upside. 

For me, the above statements add up to me thinking it might be a good idea to trade Sully for an upgrade at a position of more need.

Definitely agree. As a proven double double guy he is a good trade chip, even though I like him better than KO currently.

[Tr1boy]

I'm pretty happy with the way Sully has played this season - especially after breaking out of that awful shooting slump.

He is starting to get a good idea of where "his" shots are, and has spent more time in the post to complement the 3-point shots that drive many on this blog crazy. He has developed a pretty nice fadaway jumper that he can get off on most post defenders. Also, recently his defense has improved with more consistent effort and better positioning.

He really does need to drop some weight though. Until that happens his defense can never be described as anything other that "less bad". It will also allow him to be a quicker roller and driver which is important because Sully needs a lot of ways to attack a defense since he is short.

Some combination is Boozer, Z-bo, and Paul Milsap is who Sully should be modeling his game after.

Sullinger at his peak = somewhere between Millsap and David West. 

Not Zbo imo. Sullinger does not have Zbo's 7'4-7'5 wingspan to be able to do certain things on the court

[Tr1boy]

one thing i'm getting tired of seeing Sully do is shoot the threes. Especially late in games.  Stop being lazy and attack the basket

[HomerSapien]

one thing i'm getting tired of seeing Sully do is shoot the threes. Especially late in games.  Stop being lazy and attack the basket

I know I'm in the minority on Celticsblog on this, but I actually like the 3's provided he also spends ample time in the post. I feel like the threat of the outside shot will force teams to defend him everywhere and open up more options for him offensively. I agree though that I don't want to see him go the route of Antoine and fall in love with the 3 at the expense of his god given talent which is rebounding and scoring inside.