Latest on Rivers trade

[Nerf DPOY]

You can use the TPE on Draft Night (June 2015) to acquire a player who is under contract for 2015-16.

For example: Ainge could offer two draft picks on Draft Night to Atlanta for Al Horford, and not have to send out salary, because Horford fits within the Rondo TPE.

You don't need a TPE to do this. Since we're going to have a ton of cap space on draft day, we can just take Al Horford into cap space and not send out any salary regardless.

Not with the cap holds those current TPEs represent. The Rondo one adds $13 mil to the current cap situation.

You can renounce all your cap holds. The key here is that the TPE offers zero additional value over  regular cap space in the situation you're describing.

According to Hoopshype, Celtics currently have less than $3 mil in cap space.

So, on Draft Night 2015, they would have to use the TPE if they wished to pursue the scenario I describe. There is no cap space until the calendar rolls over to July.

? Won't they have more like 22 million?

[kozlodoev]

According to Hoopshype, Celtics currently have less than $3 mil in cap space.

So, on Draft Night 2015, they would have to use the TPE if they wished to pursue the scenario I describe. There is no cap space until the calendar rolls over to July.

Which brings me back to my original point, don't all contracts expire the last day of the season?

[Lucky17]

You can use the TPE on Draft Night (June 2015) to acquire a player who is under contract for 2015-16.

For example: Ainge could offer two draft picks on Draft Night to Atlanta for Al Horford, and not have to send out salary, because Horford fits within the Rondo TPE.

You don't need a TPE to do this. Since we're going to have a ton of cap space on draft day, we can just take Al Horford into cap space and not send out any salary regardless.

Not with the cap holds those current TPEs represent. The Rondo one adds $13 mil to the current cap situation.

You can renounce all your cap holds. The key here is that the TPE offers zero additional value over  regular cap space in the situation you're describing.

According to Hoopshype, Celtics currently have less than $3 mil in cap space.

So, on Draft Night 2015, they would have to use the TPE if they wished to pursue the scenario I describe. There is no cap space until the calendar rolls over to July.

? Won't they have more like 22 million?

I'm talking about this current season, not next year. That's the distinction.

[Lucky17]

According to Hoopshype, Celtics currently have less than $3 mil in cap space.

So, on Draft Night 2015, they would have to use the TPE if they wished to pursue the scenario I describe. There is no cap space until the calendar rolls over to July.

Which brings me back to my original point, don't all contracts expire the last day of the season?

Contracts expiring in 2014-15 do. They cannot be used in trade on Draft Night.

Al Horford's doesn't. He's under contract for 2015-16, which was a qualifier I used from the very beginning.

[Monkhouse]

What I don't get is... They lose CDR, and Bullock/2nd rounder for Rivers.. Didn't they need wing depth...? Farmar was also waived for cap purposes, so unless Rivers is getting a SF, then their rotation is looking pretty weak.

[Lucky17]

The Rivers TPE marks the 6th at Ainge's disposal.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3480/boston-celtics-trade-exception-al

Granted, two of these are so small as to be practically unusable. But the others all could bear some fruit down the line.

Just want to point that the link's information is wrong.  Humphries exception was reportedly used in the Anthony-Bynum deal (so we chopped off a few hundred k to extend it by 2.5 months), and the Anthony TPE was used to take on Nelson in the Rondo trade.  We really have a little over $1 mil in the Anthony exception and about $1.3 mil in the Humphries exception (for those keeping score at home).

ESPN's Trade Machine does have the Hump exception at $1.3 mil. I don't see the Anthony one, but if it's $1 mil, it might come in handy, although unlikely.

So it's really three "good" TPEs in Rivers ($2.4m), Wright ($5m), and Rondo ($12.9m)?

[Nerf DPOY]

You can use the TPE on Draft Night (June 2015) to acquire a player who is under contract for 2015-16.

For example: Ainge could offer two draft picks on Draft Night to Atlanta for Al Horford, and not have to send out salary, because Horford fits within the Rondo TPE.

You don't need a TPE to do this. Since we're going to have a ton of cap space on draft day, we can just take Al Horford into cap space and not send out any salary regardless.

Not with the cap holds those current TPEs represent. The Rondo one adds $13 mil to the current cap situation.

You can renounce all your cap holds. The key here is that the TPE offers zero additional value over  regular cap space in the situation you're describing.

According to Hoopshype, Celtics currently have less than $3 mil in cap space.

So, on Draft Night 2015, they would have to use the TPE if they wished to pursue the scenario I describe. There is no cap space until the calendar rolls over to July.

? Won't they have more like 22 million?

I'm talking about this current season, not next year. That's the distinction.

So it's useful up until the trade deadline, then not so much after, right? I get mad when posters here don't understand that we don't have the Nets pick this year, but the details of this salary cap stuff kind of overwhelms me.

[Lucky17]

You can use the TPE on Draft Night (June 2015) to acquire a player who is under contract for 2015-16.

For example: Ainge could offer two draft picks on Draft Night to Atlanta for Al Horford, and not have to send out salary, because Horford fits within the Rondo TPE.

You don't need a TPE to do this. Since we're going to have a ton of cap space on draft day, we can just take Al Horford into cap space and not send out any salary regardless.

Not with the cap holds those current TPEs represent. The Rondo one adds $13 mil to the current cap situation.

You can renounce all your cap holds. The key here is that the TPE offers zero additional value over  regular cap space in the situation you're describing.

According to Hoopshype, Celtics currently have less than $3 mil in cap space.

So, on Draft Night 2015, they would have to use the TPE if they wished to pursue the scenario I describe. There is no cap space until the calendar rolls over to July.

? Won't they have more like 22 million?

I'm talking about this current season, not next year. That's the distinction.

So it's useful up until the trade deadline, then not so much after, right? I get mad when posters here don't understand that we don't have the Nets pick this year, but the details of this salary cap stuff kind of overwhelms me.

Oh, even after the deadline, all the way up until July 1.

There's a little-known loophole that allows teams eliminated from the postseason to make trades after the trade deadline has passed. So Ainge could make use of these exceptions in May or early June.

[saltlover]

According to Hoopshype, Celtics currently have less than $3 mil in cap space.

So, on Draft Night 2015, they would have to use the TPE if they wished to pursue the scenario I describe. There is no cap space until the calendar rolls over to July.

Which brings me back to my original point, don't all contracts expire the last day of the season?

Can't find the original point, but contracts last through June 30th if they expire this year, and count towards the cap until June 30th.  However, expiring contracts can't be traded after the trade deadline.

For luxury tax purposes, however, it's contracts on the roster (and amounts paid to released players) as of the last day of the season, so the tax will not be an obstacle on draft night trades.  Also, I think the C's are not subject to the hard cap this year, as they used an amount equal the small MLE for Turner's contract, although I'm not positive they didn't still use the larger exception anyway, to preserve the rest of it later on.  But potentially the Celtics can go wild on draft night with exceptions if they so choose.

[PickNRoll]

So, it's official.  We got CDR, 2017 clips 2nd rounder, and 2.4M trade exception for Rivers and a wink-wink buyout of Nate Robinson.  Sounds good to me. 

Shaky deal for the Clippers, giving up their last 2 picks, but if Doc figures those guys are never gonna make it, I guess...

edit: never mind, I was confusing CDR with CJ Wilcox

[hwangjini_1]

The Rivers TPE marks the 6th at Ainge's disposal.

http://espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/3480/boston-celtics-trade-exception-al

Granted, two of these are so small as to be practically unusable. But the others all could bear some fruit down the line.

We'll probably be able to take players into cap space after the end of this season, so unless we add some major contracts really quick this season, those exceptions are all but useless.

Draft Night.

doubtful many of them get used, but they present more opportunities and chips for danny. perhaps next season the team will be stocked with other teams' cast aways. and ainge collects more draft picks to take on these salaries.

at this point i wouldnt put much by ainge.

[hwangjini_1]

According to Hoopshype, Celtics currently have less than $3 mil in cap space.

So, on Draft Night 2015, they would have to use the TPE if they wished to pursue the scenario I describe. There is no cap space until the calendar rolls over to July.

Which brings me back to my original point, don't all contracts expire the last day of the season?

Can't find the original point, but contracts last through June 30th if they expire this year, and count towards the cap until June 30th.  However, expiring contracts can't be traded after the trade deadline.

For luxury tax purposes, however, it's contracts on the roster (and amounts paid to released players) as of the last day of the season, so the tax will not be an obstacle on draft night trades.  Also, I think the C's are not subject to the hard cap this year, as they used an amount equal the small MLE for Turner's contract, although I'm not positive they didn't still use the larger exception anyway, to preserve the rest of it later on.  But potentially the Celtics can go wild on draft night with exceptions if they so choose.

SL, time to 'fess up. are you a CPA, a lawyer, or a mathematician? 

[JBcat]

Say if we used the Wright, Rondo, and Rivers trade exceptions on draft night to take on salary we would still have 10 to 15 mil in cap space to use during the free agency period right?

[Jiri Welsch]

What will we do with Randolph?

[PickNRoll]

What will we do with Randolph?

He makes 1.2M so I don't know if it matters.  What I remember of him in 2013? was that he was a strong rebounder and decent post presence.  Give him Olynyk's minutes.