The Jae Crowder Fan Club

[kozlodoev]

Crowder is ok. He can start, but to me his upside seems to be a taller Tony Allen (which is not too bad, really) -- and we'll need a stud SG to play next to him.

Could tony allen shoot? Can he still shoot today?

Crowder has been nailing the open jumpers these days. Shoots around 70 percent at the line. Crowder is TA plus

Thats why i compare him more to a james posey

For his career, Crowder is a sub-.400 shooter from anywhere outside of 3 feet, so he's not exactly lights-out, either. But sure, he's a marginally better shoter from 10-15 feet or so. And he's actually a worse FT shooter than Allen.

Your point?

[Fafnir]

Your point?

His point is pretty much that Crowder has shot 55% on longer 2s with the C's. Which means he'll shoot that forever right?

[LarBrd33]

Crowder cuts into our flexibility. Don't get too attached to him until after the deadline.

We aren't chasing flexibility. We are chasing assets that will have long term value to us. Unfortunately, Crowder was a second round pick, so I assume that he will be an unrestricted free agent.

He'll have been in the league only 3 years, thus he'll be a restricted free agent if the C's put in the qualifying offer for him. That QO will be 2.72 million if he meets the starter criteria or 1.14 if he doesn't. (figures were calculated by me, could be off but shouldn't be by much)

Starter criteria is 2000 minutes or 41 games started. I don't see him getting a 20 million dollar offer sheet from another team personally but who knows.

It's certainly possible that someone decides to pay him 5+ mil per year if he continues to impress in our extended tank period.  And then we'll have a tough decision... cut into our cap to retain a role player, or let him walk.  That's why I think there's a chance we trade him for a pick.

I'm rooting for him to play well regardless.  Him playing well is beneficial to us one way or the other.  Either we showcase him enough to land a valuable pick, or we decide to keep him.  Keeping him has some benefits.  He's a nice player that could look good on a contender's bench.  We'll see what happens.  We should know by the trade deadline.  I'm sure local restaurateurs are anxiously awaiting the opportunity to market Crowder's Chowder. 

[kozlodoev]

Crowder cuts into our flexibility. Don't get too attached to him until after the deadline.

We aren't chasing flexibility. We are chasing assets that will have long term value to us. Unfortunately, Crowder was a second round pick, so I assume that he will be an unrestricted free agent.

He'll have been in the league only 3 years, thus he'll be a restricted free agent if the C's put in the qualifying offer for him. That QO will be 2.72 million if he meets the starter criteria or 1.14 if he doesn't. (figures were calculated by me, could be off but shouldn't be by much)

Starter criteria is 2000 minutes or 41 games started. I don't see him getting a 20 million dollar offer sheet from another team personally but who knows.

It's certainly possible that someone decides to pay him 5+ mil per year if he continues to impress in our extended tank period.  And then we'll have a tough decision... cut into our cap to retain a role player, or let him walk.  That's why I think there's a chance we trade him for a pick.

I'm rooting for him to play well regardless.  Him playing well is beneficial to us one way or the other.  Either we showcase him enough to land a valuable pick, or we decide to keep him.  Keeping him has some benefits.  He's a nice player that could look good on a contender's bench.  We'll see what happens.  We should know by the trade deadline.  I'm sure local restaurateurs are anxiously awaiting the opportunity to market Crowder's Chowder.

I'll spend 5 million on Crowder. He looks like he can develop into a starter, and will be a bargain at that price if he does. Just don't expect him to light the world on fire.

[marlon.oddo]

He's definitely a keeper.  Don't want to get into a salary discussion now but he should be pretty cheap.

If he hits the 3 a little more consistently, I see him as a Posey 2.0, except that he doesn't quite have the "bad ass" component that Posey had.  I said before, he needs to be the defensive stopper for a possession or two in key moments.  He will have to cover Harden, Thompson and all the tall 2s for key possessions in future playoffs and the 3s.

[SHAQATTACK]

Crowder cuts into our flexibility. Don't get too attached to him until after the deadline.

We aren't chasing flexibility. We are chasing assets that will have long term value to us. Unfortunately, Crowder was a second round pick, so I assume that he will be an unrestricted free agent.

He'll have been in the league only 3 years, thus he'll be a restricted free agent if the C's put in the qualifying offer for him. That QO will be 2.72 million if he meets the starter criteria or 1.14 if he doesn't. (figures were calculated by me, could be off but shouldn't be by much)

Starter criteria is 2000 minutes or 41 games started. I don't see him getting a 20 million dollar offer sheet from another team personally but who knows.

It's certainly possible that someone decides to pay him 5+ mil per year if he continues to impress in our extended tank period.  And then we'll have a tough decision... cut into our cap to retain a role player, or let him walk.  That's why I think there's a chance we trade him for a pick.

I'm rooting for him to play well regardless.  Him playing well is beneficial to us one way or the other.  Either we showcase him enough to land a valuable pick, or we decide to keep him.  Keeping him has some benefits.  He's a nice player that could look good on a contender's bench.  We'll see what happens.  We should know by the trade deadline.  I'm sure local restaurateurs are anxiously awaiting the opportunity to market Crowder's Chowder.

I'll spend 5 million on Crowder. He looks like he can develop into a starter, and will be a bargain at that price if he does. Just don't expect him to light the world on fire.

AB. Or Crowder ?   For the same money ......diff position , but I see Crowder as worth more .

[saltlover]

Honestly, who he remind me of at this point is his teammate at Marquette. I think he's pretty similar in terms of effort and development to where Jimmy Butler was a year ago. Now I'm not saying Crowder will have the same explosion onto the scene as Jimmy Butler did in his fourth year (although if you compare Jimmy Butler and Jae's 3rd season per 36 numbers they are pretty similar), I'm just saying their styles are similar.

Walking it back a little before people go crazy, it's inportant to remember that Jimmy Butler played hurt a lot of last year, and has always been a bit Bette at shot creation for both himself and others than Crowder, which definitely helps his value.  They do play with similar energy, and I do think Crowder is a keeper. But I don't see him developing into a franchise cornerstone as Butler is becoming.

We agree on this. That being said, no one predicted the season Jimmy Butler would have this year.

The Bulls offered him a $10 mil/year extension before the season, which he turned down.  I think both sides of that negotiation the Butler had this type of game in him.  You don't offer $10 mil a year to a role player.

[saltlover]

Crowder cuts into our flexibility. Don't get too attached to him until after the deadline.

We aren't chasing flexibility. We are chasing assets that will have long term value to us. Unfortunately, Crowder was a second round pick, so I assume that he will be an unrestricted free agent.

He'll have been in the league only 3 years, thus he'll be a restricted free agent if the C's put in the qualifying offer for him. That QO will be 2.72 million if he meets the starter criteria or 1.14 if he doesn't. (figures were calculated by me, could be off but shouldn't be by much)

Starter criteria is 2000 minutes or 41 games started. I don't see him getting a 20 million dollar offer sheet from another team personally but who knows.

It's certainly possible that someone decides to pay him 5+ mil per year if he continues to impress in our extended tank period.  And then we'll have a tough decision... cut into our cap to retain a role player, or let him walk.  That's why I think there's a chance we trade him for a pick.

I'm rooting for him to play well regardless.  Him playing well is beneficial to us one way or the other.  Either we showcase him enough to land a valuable pick, or we decide to keep him.  Keeping him has some benefits.  He's a nice player that could look good on a contender's bench.  We'll see what happens.  We should know by the trade deadline.  I'm sure local restaurateurs are anxiously awaiting the opportunity to market Crowder's Chowder.

I'll spend 5 million on Crowder. He looks like he can develop into a starter, and will be a bargain at that price if he does. Just don't expect him to light the world on fire.

AB. Or Crowder ?   For the same money ......diff position , but I see Crowder as worth more .

AB is a better shooter than Crowder and at least as good of a defender.  AB, hands down.

[Fafnir]

AB. Or Crowder ?   For the same money ......diff position , but I see Crowder as worth more .

Both are quite similar, don't do much on the boards or with assists. Crowder is a more efficient scorer overall (draws more fouls and gets more dunks), but he also plays closer to the rim and doesn't space with 3 point shooting at all.

[aingeforthree]

AB. Or Crowder ?   For the same money ......diff position , but I see Crowder as worth more .

Both are quite similar, don't do much on the boards or with assists. Crowder is a more efficient scorer overall (draws more fouls and gets more dunks), but he also plays closer to the rim and doesn't space with 3 point shooting at all.

I think you're short changing Crowder at rebounding.  He actually comes in and tries to help our bigs in that department, instead of watching on the outside.

Stats are great, but this kid gets his hands on a lot of balls.  That won't show up in the stat category, but it goes a long way in the game being played.

[PickNRoll]

AB. Or Crowder ?   For the same money ......diff position , but I see Crowder as worth more .

Both are quite similar, don't do much on the boards or with assists. Crowder is a more efficient scorer overall (draws more fouls and gets more dunks), but he also plays closer to the rim and doesn't space with 3 point shooting at all.

Not to pick nits, but Crowder is a better rebounder than Bradley, at 5 per 36.  Bradley gets 3.2.

[tstorey_97]

This break up the team season has spawned "Chowdah break out" threads. Thankfully, someone has broken out for us this year.

I will file an application for the fan club based on the following:

Jae attended Marquette, a Jesuit school.

A Roman Catholic with highest level defensive skills, unquestionable work ethic and, a reasonable salary belongs in Boston, Massachusetts.

It is God's will.

[Fafnir]

AB. Or Crowder ?   For the same money ......diff position , but I see Crowder as worth more .

Both are quite similar, don't do much on the boards or with assists. Crowder is a more efficient scorer overall (draws more fouls and gets more dunks), but he also plays closer to the rim and doesn't space with 3 point shooting at all.

I think you're short changing Crowder at rebounding.  He actually comes in and tries to help our bigs in that department, instead of watching on the outside.

Stats are great, but this kid gets his hands on a lot of balls.  That won't show up in the stat category, but it goes a long way in the game being played.

He's been a poor rebounder his entire career, 48th out of 69 SFs this year. Though that includes several players who play PF as their primary position based on my eyeball check.

He's in Jeff Green territory for rebounds, which isn't good but its not a disaster either.

[mctyson]

I am the first member.

I love this guy!

Not allowed.  Because...well...Rondo.

[LooseCannon]

Will Jae Crowder get an offer sheet for a reasonable, tradeable contract this summer?  If the answer is yes, it might be correct to be willing to match and keep Crowder as the starter as SF with a possibility that he improves in the role or that he is simply a placeholder who can either be traded or moved to the bench as James Young or someone who Ainge drafts in 2015 becomes a starter.

Unless Ainge gets a great offer for Crowder, the best move might be to take a gamble and risk losing Crowder for nothing.