11 is a lot of picks

[piercetruth34]

I don't see how Ainge is going to use them all combined with the young talent we already have.  He can basically target any player he wants though.  We want to get up and try to get okafor he can try to do that.  We end up in the lottery and somehow get lucky and end up with the 1st pick anyways that leaves us with Okafor and 10 more picks plus the players we have and an assortment of 2nd rounders to waste.  The easy part is pruning the tree imo and aquiring these picks.  The difficult part is deciding what to spend them on particularly over time.

I remember the cowboys when they traded hershel walker though. They got 6 picks for him and b uilt a dynasty off that.  Similar situation here except a football team is comprised of 47 roster spots.  A basketball team is much smaller. You need those same 3 stars but how ainge uses these picks is going to be tricky.

He's been doing business around the league and keeping up relationships so teams should want to make deals with him.  WE could get stonewalled somewhat but we can legitamently tempt players as well to want to  come here and be a part of this.  The young players we have should want to play hard and be a part of that too and compete for those roles and spots.

DA has so many picks though it's ridiculous.   Players don't compete and don't fill that need or role there's really no reason for DA to keep them around.

One would think more teams would do this though when rebuilding and they really don't or have the eye for talent or want to do this or even understand the intricacies of it.  Other teams have their players and are just sitting on the stars they have.

Jerry jones of the cowboys p---ed off a lot of people because he didn't understand the intricacies of it.  He p---ed off Tom Landry and ultimately p---ed off his own coach and really ruined what could have been something great fora  long time.  I think DA has been very careful with his moves.  Even trading Rondo was not set in stone before it was done.

[Rosco917]

This years draft is center heavy. The celtics look like they will be drafting 5 thru 7 again this year. Find a team that has a decent center that is drafting above us and lay some picks on them, so we move up and get a shot at some of that Center talent.

If I were a team with a young starting center I could live with, I'd love to get an extra pick and potentially solve some existing holes on my team. Maybe they need a power forward or two.

[greg683x]

I don't see how Ainge is going to use them all combined with the young talent we already have.  He can basically target any player he wants though.  We want to get up and try to get okafor he can try to do that.  We end up in the lottery and somehow get lucky and end up with the 1st pick anyways that leaves us with Okafor and 10 more picks plus the players we have and an assortment of 2nd rounders to waste.  The easy part is pruning the tree imo and aquiring these picks.  The difficult part is deciding what to spend them on particularly over time.

I remember the cowboys when they traded hershel walker though. They got 6 picks for him and b uilt a dynasty off that.  Similar situation here except a football team is comprised of 47 roster spots.  A basketball team is much smaller. You need those same 3 stars but how ainge uses these picks is going to be tricky.

He's been doing business around the league and keeping up relationships so teams should want to make deals with him.  WE could get stonewalled somewhat but we can legitamently tempt players as well to want to  come here and be a part of this.  The young players we have should want to play hard and be a part of that too and compete for those roles and spots.

DA has so many picks though it's ridiculous.   Players don't compete and don't fill that need or role there's really no reason for DA to keep them around.

One would think more teams would do this though when rebuilding and they really don't or have the eye for talent or want to do this or even understand the intricacies of it.  Other teams have their players and are just sitting on the stars they have.

Jerry jones of the cowboys p---ed off a lot of people because he didn't understand the intricacies of it.  He p---ed off Tom Landry and ultimately p---ed off his own coach and really ruined what could have been something great fora  long time.  I think DA has been very careful with his moves.  Even trading Rondo was not set in stone before it was done.

no ones gonna trade a top 3 pick.  The only way we're gonna get Okafor is if we win the lottery

[piercetruth34]

This years draft is center heavy. The celtics look like they will be drafting 5 thru 7 again this year. Find a team that has a decent center that is drafting above us and lay some picks on them, so we move up and get a shot at some of that Center talent.

If I were a team with a young starting center I could live with, I'd love to get an extra pick and potentially solve some existing holes on my team. Maybe they need a power forward or two.

Thats what I think as well, although we could end up in position regardless.  But the majority of moves are going to be made this draft and next.  Where we'll have other picks to find our glenn davis's of the world.  We already have a lot of those guys though.   DA can really sit on these picks down the road and build something carefully for a really long time though.  Red won so many championships at first because he outworked and was so much smarter than everyone else.  This could be as special as that if we really make it happen.

But we could legitamently target whoever we want and be like get okafor and then go after durant or lebron but i dont see that happening.  I think we may target a big time center.  Get a player like butler maybe and then target 2016 draft as well.  Maybe throw in a couple roleplayers there.

I also think Ainge hangs onto that 2018 pick in ways to keep this going for a bit.  Maybe get another guy to really put us in gear for a long time.

[piercetruth34]

I don't see how Ainge is going to use them all combined with the young talent we already have.  He can basically target any player he wants though.  We want to get up and try to get okafor he can try to do that.  We end up in the lottery and somehow get lucky and end up with the 1st pick anyways that leaves us with Okafor and 10 more picks plus the players we have and an assortment of 2nd rounders to waste.  The easy part is pruning the tree imo and aquiring these picks.  The difficult part is deciding what to spend them on particularly over time.

I remember the cowboys when they traded hershel walker though. They got 6 picks for him and b uilt a dynasty off that.  Similar situation here except a football team is comprised of 47 roster spots.  A basketball team is much smaller. You need those same 3 stars but how ainge uses these picks is going to be tricky.

He's been doing business around the league and keeping up relationships so teams should want to make deals with him.  WE could get stonewalled somewhat but we can legitamently tempt players as well to want to  come here and be a part of this.  The young players we have should want to play hard and be a part of that too and compete for those roles and spots.

DA has so many picks though it's ridiculous.   Players don't compete and don't fill that need or role there's really no reason for DA to keep them around.

One would think more teams would do this though when rebuilding and they really don't or have the eye for talent or want to do this or even understand the intricacies of it.  Other teams have their players and are just sitting on the stars they have.

Jerry jones of the cowboys p---ed off a lot of people because he didn't understand the intricacies of it.  He p---ed off Tom Landry and ultimately p---ed off his own coach and really ruined what could have been something great fora  long time.  I think DA has been very careful with his moves.  Even trading Rondo was not set in stone before it was done.

no ones gonna trade a top 3 pick.  The only way we're gonna get Okafor is if we win the lottery

I agree on okafor, but i still think we can do that.  We can maneuver into position to get Towns and then we could package towns and picks for okafor if we really want to. Not set in stone there and the other team would have to want to do that.  But that's the tricky part.

We don't want to draft a bust.  That's the scary part about the draft.

[jonaslopes]

I don't see how Ainge is going to use them all combined with the young talent we already have.  He can basically target any player he wants though.  We want to get up and try to get okafor he can try to do that.  We end up in the lottery and somehow get lucky and end up with the 1st pick anyways that leaves us with Okafor and 10 more picks plus the players we have and an assortment of 2nd rounders to waste.  The easy part is pruning the tree imo and aquiring these picks.  The difficult part is deciding what to spend them on particularly over time.

I remember the cowboys when they traded hershel walker though. They got 6 picks for him and b uilt a dynasty off that.  Similar situation here except a football team is comprised of 47 roster spots.  A basketball team is much smaller. You need those same 3 stars but how ainge uses these picks is going to be tricky.

He's been doing business around the league and keeping up relationships so teams should want to make deals with him.  WE could get stonewalled somewhat but we can legitamently tempt players as well to want to  come here and be a part of this.  The young players we have should want to play hard and be a part of that too and compete for those roles and spots.

DA has so many picks though it's ridiculous.   Players don't compete and don't fill that need or role there's really no reason for DA to keep them around.

One would think more teams would do this though when rebuilding and they really don't or have the eye for talent or want to do this or even understand the intricacies of it.  Other teams have their players and are just sitting on the stars they have.

Jerry jones of the cowboys p---ed off a lot of people because he didn't understand the intricacies of it.  He p---ed off Tom Landry and ultimately p---ed off his own coach and really ruined what could have been something great fora  long time.  I think DA has been very careful with his moves.  Even trading Rondo was not set in stone before it was done.

no ones gonna trade a top 3 pick.  The only way we're gonna get Okafor is if we win the lottery

I agree on okafor, but i still think we can do that.

Don't waste your time dreaming.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

again, he can use them not just to grab a PROVEN PLAYER............HE CAN USE THEM to MOVE UP in the draft to grab a player he wants! Capisce??

I do not think he is trying to set up a small window like last time. I think he is trying to put us on a solid foundation for years to come. for that we need young guys to pan out and develop. If we trade for a proven player we need a young one or he may not be here long enough to win a title. Or with all these picks he may trade for a proven player and if he doesn't win in that frame dump him and trade for another to add to our core to open up another window.

[greg683x]

I posted this in another thread, and I know I just said No one would trade a top 3 pick.  But what if we landed a top 3 pick and Philly wants it bad bc say they landed the 4th or 5th pick.

Would you swap if it meant we got Embiid from Philly.  Seems illogical to trade the right to draft someone like Towns, but we'd get someone with just as much potential, but with Jared Sullinger like red flags, but we'd get another top 5 pick out of it tho.

I probably would just take Towns, but it would be worth some thought

[piercetruth34]

Still ainge is going to explore a lot of scenarios. That's why we are where we are at.  He is going to explore things and talk about a lot of thigns between gm's himself.  I'm saying the same things anyways and patience is a virtue. Capisce?  I don't need to understand anything in that regard. just learning myself.   More just willing to discuss this stuff which people aren't usually open to and want to ram their ideals down peoples throats.

[piercetruth34]

I posted this in another thread, and I know I just said No one would trade a top 3 pick.  But what if we landed a top 3 pick and Philly wants it bad bc say they landed the 4th or 5th pick.

Would you swap if it meant we got Embiid from Philly.  Seems illogical to trade the right to draft someone like Towns, but we'd get someone with just as much potential, but with Jared Sullinger like red flags, but we'd get another top 5 pick out of it tho.

I probably would just take Towns, but it would be worth some thought

I agree these are good ideas but I would probably just take towns as well in that scenario.

[piercetruth34]

Say we get the top pick.  Do we move down?  Do we take okafor.  Do we attempt to move up and get him if we don't?  Those are all things that should be discussed.  We want to get who we want and the rigth players ultimately. Some players we won't be able to get depending on what other teams want etc...

I'll be the dumbass here. Because that's smart.

[hondobird33]

Target the 76's.  They have two top recent draft picks at C (Embiid & Noel) so unlikely to want to draft another one.  Let's say they draft same as their current position now (#3) and we pick in the 6th position.  It would be very possible to trade up to #3 and 76's would still be able to draft a top player at more of a position of need for them. Key would be jumping ahead of other teams that might seek a center (i.e. Fakers

1. Knicks - would take a center (i.e. Okafor)
2. Minnesota - would take best available (could be a center)
3. 76's - If we traded to this spot we would have either the 2nd or 3rd best center prospect.

There is a chance with Minny that we could entice them to trade down and then we would definitely get the 2nd best center. They have Pekovic locked in to long-term contract and young center is Dieng. 

The ideal scenario would be that either Minny or 76's win lottery and we end up somewhere between #3 and #5 so they would consider trading and they would know they would still be able to get the top non-center player.

Here is what we could offer (we have so many picks we could offer more than stated if needed)

If Minny Gets #1:  They are in rebuild so want young players so Avery Bradley would be appealing if we took Kelvin Martin (similar salaries). We also give them our 2015 first rd (i.e. #5 pick), our other first round pick in 2015 (i.e. Clippers), one of our many first round picks in 2016 (protected so it lands between #10 and #20), and our PHI 2nd round pick in 2015 (likely to be near top of round 2). 

If 76's Gets #1:  Offer same picks as above plus offer to trade Bradley (SG) for Richardson (SG) both have similar contracts.

My only point is that it is indeed "possible."   
   
     

[piercetruth34]

 Anything is possible.  Everything "must" go.  Not so sure about that.  Anything is possible though.

[loco_91]

Target the 76's.  They have two top recent draft picks at C (Embiid & Noel) so unlikely to want to draft another one.  Let's say they draft same as their current position now (#3) and we pick in the 6th position.  It would be very possible to trade up to #3 and 76's would still be able to draft a top player at more of a position of need for them. Key would be jumping ahead of other teams that might seek a center (i.e. Fakers

1. Knicks - would take a center (i.e. Okafor)
2. Minnesota - would take best available (could be a center)
3. 76's - If we traded to this spot we would have either the 2nd or 3rd best center prospect.

There is a chance with Minny that we could entice them to trade down and then we would definitely get the 2nd best center. They have Pekovic locked in to long-term contract and young center is Dieng. 

The ideal scenario would be that either Minny or 76's win lottery and we end up somewhere between #3 and #5 so they would consider trading and they would know they would still be able to get the top non-center player.

Here is what we could offer (we have so many picks we could offer more than stated if needed)

If Minny Gets #1:  They are in rebuild so want young players so Avery Bradley would be appealing if we took Kelvin Martin (similar salaries). We also give them our 2015 first rd (i.e. #5 pick), our other first round pick in 2015 (i.e. Clippers), one of our many first round picks in 2016 (protected so it lands between #10 and #20), and our PHI 2nd round pick in 2015 (likely to be near top of round 2). 

If 76's Gets #1:  Offer same picks as above plus offer to trade Bradley (SG) for Richardson (SG) both have similar contracts.

My only point is that it is indeed "possible."   
   
   

Indeed. Minny I think would hold onto Towns/Okafor, as Dieng is a nice player but nothing special (they'd be more likely to trade him or Pek). The Sixers, however, have two potential franchise centers in Embiid and Noel already. If they draft Towns, I think they might trade one of those guys - I'd assume they'd be most willing to trade Noel, and Embiid I would assume is untouchable. I'd prefer Towns to Noel but would absolutely swap the #6 for Noel and add a late first.

[piercetruth34]

DA does have a lot of protection with these picks where i'm not sure he wants to spend them all in one place.  But nba restrictions and roster space is going to be an issue.  But smart moves and having protection if we make mistakes which we should be trying to avoid in the first place.  I'm kind of talking in theory anwyays because i have no idea who we are going to get.  There are a lot of players out there.  Towns to me seems to have celtic written on him but that can be said about a lot of players.  So does Okafor as far as I'm concerned.  NBAdraft.net has the knicks taking him right now.