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Ainge overplayed his cards
« on: January 09, 2015, 10:18:09 PM »

Offline bigskyceltic

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It has become apparent with the Rondo and Green trades that Danny Ainge did not receive the value he was looking for out of the Celtics two best players. Late first round and second round picks are nothing to get too excited about. Danny overplayed his cards and now he and the Celtic faithful will suffer through an even longer rebuild. Does anyone think that we currently have a franchise player on the roster. Serious doubts if Ainge can still get the job done. Here's hoping the ping pong balls are kind.





Re: Ainge overplayed his cards
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2015, 10:19:35 PM »

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So sick of the whinning.

Danny is doing a good job.

It takes time to rebuild.

Re: Ainge overplayed his cards
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2015, 10:20:24 PM »

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we didn't have a franchise player on the roster before the deals, so who cares?

Get some picks and tank.  Smart move for the team.

Re: Ainge overplayed his cards
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2015, 10:22:07 PM »

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It has become apparent with the Rondo and Green trades that Danny Ainge did not receive the value he was looking for out of the Celtics two best players. Late first round and second round picks are nothing to get too excited about. Danny overplayed his cards and now he and the Celtic faithful will suffer through an even longer rebuild. Does anyone think that we currently have a franchise player on the roster. Serious doubts if Ainge can still get the job done. Here's hoping the ping pong balls are kind.

This is is what I'm afraid of. I'd like to see what he will do, but so far, we have a plethora of late first round picks (of little value) that may end just being, well, mediocre players who will be under contract for a couple of years.

We have no real talent in the squad either to attract FA's unless we overpay for them. We really need to luck out in the draft in the next two years to be able to get on our feet quickly, otherwise, he has set us up for long road ahead.
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Re: Ainge overplayed his cards
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2015, 10:26:32 PM »

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ohh waaah, "long rebuild"...

it's going to be a long process no matter how you slice it. there's a good chance 98% of this roster won't be here for the next championship unless they're sittin in the stands.

we did delay the process by waiting a yr. to blow it up completely though.

Re: Ainge overplayed his cards
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2015, 10:27:05 PM »

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we didn't have a franchise player on the roster before the deals, so who cares?

Get some picks and tank.  Smart move for the team.

But we had decent players who can atleast pull a solid free agent to play with us.

We already had a ton of assets before we traded Rondo and Green. Why cant we keep the two and use the assets we had to get a player via trade or FA? Now, no Free Agent of significance will sign with us, and we're playing the dangerous lottery game. If we don't luck out in the draft, our rebuild will turn into a long sucking road trip.
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2015, 10:27:22 PM »

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What was all the talk about then when Love visited town and we would have our Big 3.  Evidently some people thought that enough talent would be there with these 3. Interesting how times have changed.

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Question to the OP. When should Ainge have traded Green? When should he have traded Rondo? What month of what year?

When do you think he would have gotten value for them?

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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2015, 10:33:04 PM »

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What was all the talk about then when Love visited town and we would have our Big 3.  Evidently some people thought that enough talent would be there with these 3. Interesting how times have changed.
How is Love and Rondo a 'Big 3'? I don't think I ever heard anyone claim we would have a third all star caliber player (and even Rondo is not yet back to all star caliber).

When people thought was the team would at least have another top talent. When that didn't happen, it fundamentally changed prospects for Rondo remaining in town. Heck, even if we had traded for Love (despite not having anything to offer comparing to what Clev offered in Wiggins), that could have just meant that Love and Rondo leave and we are where we are now except without the picks.

Re: Ainge overplayed his cards
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2015, 10:39:06 PM »

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I think he screwed up not accepting that this was going to have to happen and making it happen sooner.   These past two season's have been awful and he could have been more aggressive selling off the pieces.  Seriously,  why is Bass here?   Just take a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing 2nd rounder and be done with it. 

Re: Ainge overplayed his cards
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2015, 10:44:41 PM »

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It has become apparent with the Rondo and Green trades that Danny Ainge did not receive the value he was looking for out of the Celtics two best players. Late first round and second round picks are nothing to get too excited about. Danny overplayed his cards and now he and the Celtic faithful will suffer through an even longer rebuild. Does anyone think that we currently have a franchise player on the roster. Serious doubts if Ainge can still get the job done. Here's hoping the ping pong balls are kind.

Well one thing is that teams that have nice young talent are usually in the same situation that we are in, and why would you want to give up legit prospects and picks just to move up a couple spots? So the teams that big on guys like Green,Rondo and Wright don't have much to give up. DA did a heck of a job with KG and PP, that kind of haul is few and far in between.

Here's something people don't think about. If you look at the trades we've done since KG and PP, on the most part DA has sent the better players we've had to good teams in good situations.

What DA could be doing is getting in good with agents, and other teams, getting ready for the next couple of Free Agency's and trade deadlines over the next few seasons. You start building good relations ships and showing teams you can play nice, teams are more willing to trade. During the "Summer of Love" it was rumored teams didn't like dealing with him. Now he gives some things up to teams that could use help, some where down the line some one helps us out.

Same with FA's, yeah DA has been trading, but not screwing players over and sending them to Philly, Utah, or heck even the Knicks, will get in the good graces of Agents to talk their clients into signing with Boston and if id doesn't work out, look at the track record of DA putting them in good situations.

 It's a big gamble on the most part, but could pay off big as well. Plus bundle all those picks and hand them off to a team with less young talent to move up a few spots isn't bad either.

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2015, 10:46:47 PM »

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It has become apparent with the Rondo and Green trades that Danny Ainge did not receive the value he was looking for out of the Celtics two best players. Late first round and second round picks are nothing to get too excited about. Danny overplayed his cards and now he and the Celtic faithful will suffer through an even longer rebuild. Does anyone think that we currently have a franchise player on the roster. Serious doubts if Ainge can still get the job done. Here's hoping the ping pong balls are kind.

It's a big gamble on the most part, but could pay off big as well. Plus bundle all those picks and hand them off to a team with less young talent to move up a few spots isn't bad either.

I have a problem with this. There wont be a lot of teams, if not any, that will trade quality over quantity.
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Re: Ainge overplayed his cards
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2015, 10:51:35 PM »

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Sounds to me like second rounders are a good haul to some of you. Rondo, Love, and Green is what I was referring to some saying would have been the Celtics Big 3 or (Big 3 lite). If all you are getting is second rounders why not wait up until the deadline and hope that a contender is forced into overpaying due to injury or in response to some trade that another top team pulled off. Danny played his cards this long into second rounders why not wait a little longer for a second rounder.

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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2015, 10:52:18 PM »

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It has become apparent with the Rondo and Green trades that Danny Ainge did not receive the value he was looking for out of the Celtics two best players. Late first round and second round picks are nothing to get too excited about. Danny overplayed his cards and now he and the Celtic faithful will suffer through an even longer rebuild. Does anyone think that we currently have a franchise player on the roster. Serious doubts if Ainge can still get the job done. Here's hoping the ping pong balls are kind.

It's a big gamble on the most part, but could pay off big as well. Plus bundle all those picks and hand them off to a team with less young talent to move up a few spots isn't bad either.

I have a problem with this. There wont be a lot of teams, if not any, that will trade quality over quantity.
People make those trades all the time if they feel that the guy they want will still be available lower down.

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2015, 10:53:15 PM »

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What was all the talk about then when Love visited town and we would have our Big 3.  Evidently some people thought that enough talent would be there with these 3. Interesting how times have changed.
How is Love and Rondo a 'Big 3'? I don't think I ever heard anyone claim we would have a third all star caliber player (and even Rondo is not yet back to all star caliber).

When people thought was the team would at least have another top talent. When that didn't happen, it fundamentally changed prospects for Rondo remaining in town. Heck, even if we had traded for Love (despite not having anything to offer comparing to what Clev offered in Wiggins), that could have just meant that Love and Rondo leave and we are where we are now except without the picks.

The plan often discussed was trading for Love and then targeting a Marc Gasol in the off season. The problem, like you pointed out, was that Danny didn't acquire a good enough asset to trade for Love.

He needed to do what he is doing now last season. With a better pick this year, he could have either continued the tear-down rebuild like Philly or started cashing in chips and tried rebuilding around Rondo, Love, Green...