celtics used to stand for loyalty and pride

[rollie mass]

These kids need some stability and something to hold onto with Pierce/Rondo gone or after you spend all  time and effort when the time comes , they will opt out.I hope lebron fails miserably,i hope LA sticks by Kobe somehow and rebuilds.Time seems important now because sully and ko are witnessing a breakdown of celtic culture and loyalty.STEVENS must be supported throughout this as he is also a young winner.All this jumping around has spread to the basketball programs in England,as a small volunteer program with boys and girls teams that has produced multiple england players and a girl that went pro in america.We for a decade were beating the big cities and the last couple years we would develop kids and watch them go off to real madrid ,usa or academies.I watched a  final four finalist team that had been together since 13 be savaged by the time they were 18.The final year they went from undefeated to multiple coach changes and kids quitting with what was left limping into quarterfinal of nationals.Last year this program further disintergrated and the 18 and unders didn't win a game.

[clover]

Red was known to trade some pretty good Celtics in his day.

[rollie mass]

I have played against Cousy and in Boston Garden under all those banners and retired numbers.My point was more referenced to Pierce  than Rondo/Garnett but i do understand ainge going after those picks and a rebuild but this merry go round is out of control at moment.Sully,KO,Marcus,Crowder,Zeller,Turner should all play without those that are committed to being traded or leaving--my thought was if you develop youth and team spirit and loyalty to coach they stand a better chance of staying in a few years. I hope Pierce comes back into organization>

[billysan]

Pierce had Red as a role model/mentor. I think he could assume that role here if Danny would resign him for a twilight tour as a player/coach. Then put him in the front office and/or on the bench alternately for a few years to see if it is a fit for the organization.

KG I would bring back as a straight up bench assistant coach if he would accept that role. These two would teach the guys how to do it right and the young guys would listen. All successful organizations have players or coaches in this type of role. Many are guys from that organization that made it great.

[freshinthehouse]

Pierce had Red as a role model/mentor. I think he could assume that role here if Danny would resign him for a twilight tour as a player/coach. Then put him in the front office and/or on the bench alternately for a few years to see if it is a fit for the organization.

KG I would bring back as a straight up bench assistant coach if he would accept that role. These two would teach the guys how to do it right and the young guys would listen. All successful organizations have players or coaches in this type of role. Many are guys from that organization that made it great.

I don't think Red was really a mentor for PP.  For Pierce's first three years in the league Pitino was running the show, and Red wasn't really around much.  After that Red didn't spend nearly as much time in Boston as he used to.  I'd say the vets on those teams were much bigger role models to Pierce than Red ever was.

I do agree with bringing back PP in some capacity. 

[hpantazo]

While it is a worthy idea, that mindset doesn't work in today's NBA under current collective bargaining agreements and young players looking to secure their next big contract and get marketing opportunities above all else.

[SHAQATTACK]

Bringing Nelson any where the Celtics was a HUGE mistake.

[GzUP617]

  Our Front office has a direction, I'd rather have that than the illusion of loyalty and pride while having no clear direction or real way of improving.
 
 Ainge is pretty much helping us by not making moves out of desperation, patience is key here.

He's going for the delayed gratification than a misleading instant gratification that many franchises usually go for.


 
     

[D.o.s.]

I will always maintain that Pierce should have retired with the C's if he wanted to. He deserved the Kobe treatment.

However, this title has done some daily soundtrack dictating, which is much more cheerful than dwelling on how badly the Celtics are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9T3djCkjRY

[billysan]

While it is a worthy idea, that mindset doesn't work in today's NBA under current collective bargaining agreements and young players looking to secure their next big contract and get marketing opportunities above all else.

Hopefully they aren't so ignorant or greedy that they believe a lack of effort or interest in collective team effort will be propelling them toward that big money. I know some will cry 'bad situation' as an excuse, but all that does is cast the player in a weak role player light. It means they aren't capable or interested in 'stepping up' to the challenge.

The guys who get the bigger non superstar contracts are usually the ones who put the team first and come to play hard every night regardless of opponent or win/loss record. Talent without effort doesn't work for long in this league anymore ask Andrew Bynum.

Pierce had Red as a role model/mentor. I think he could assume that role here if Danny would resign him for a twilight tour as a player/coach. Then put him in the front office and/or on the bench alternately for a few years to see if it is a fit for the organization.

KG I would bring back as a straight up bench assistant coach if he would accept that role. These two would teach the guys how to do it right and the young guys would listen. All successful organizations have players or coaches in this type of role. Many are guys from that organization that made it great.

I don't think Red was really a mentor for PP.  For Pierce's first three years in the league Pitino was running the show, and Red wasn't really around much.  After that Red didn't spend nearly as much time in Boston as he used to.  I'd say the vets on those teams were much bigger role models to Pierce than Red ever was.

I do agree with bringing back PP in some capacity. 

I have read numerous articles about how much Paul Pierce valued his talks with Red, especially in his early years with the team. Maybe this was just nice guy stuff after Red passed, I don't think so. I also believe it may have been a case of quality instead of quantity.

[rollie mass]

Walton always loved being here in boston,so might ko,all the youth and students.We might not like his hair but maybe the kids do,i personally hate beards.The point is when we draft, we should factor in the types that will like boston.This is one reason i liked dwight powell as well as his skill level for size and zeller should thrive,Boston is in rebuild whats going to keep these players here.Loyalty to team mates,winning,money and place in history.The fact that mchale,bird,ainge have moved  into positions of power even russell and KC.I think green may have liked it here and that why he is upset.What good are high draft picks going to do, if you groom them and it's bye bye-its just buisness ,you know these winters are murder and the money is too good ,anyway you would trade when me it suits you- get moving ainge

[clover]

Walton always loved being here in boston,so might ko,all the youth and students.We might not like his hair but maybe the kids do,i personally hate beards.The point is when we draft, we should factor in the types that will like boston.This is one reason i liked dwight powell as well as his skill level for size and zeller should thrive,Boston is in rebuild whats going to keep these players here.Loyalty to team mates,winning,money and place in history.The fact that mchale,bird,ainge have moved  into positions of power even russell and KC.I think green may have liked it here and that why he is upset.What good are high draft picks going to do, if you groom them and it's bye bye-its just buisness ,you know these winters are murder and the money is too good ,anyway you would trade when it suits you- get moving ainge

We've been waiting through two Jeff Green contracts to see if he might come to deliver consistently strong effort in his play. Here it is 30 games into a contract year for what should be the biggest contract of his career--and he's moaning about how hard it is to get up for every game? Winning, he says, makes it hard. Getting discouraged and down on yourself he says makes it hard too.

If there's a shred of Celtics loyalty and pride left, Mr. Green will be traded from the team before a re-signing can even be contemplated.

[billysan]

Walton always loved being here in boston,so might ko,all the youth and students.We might not like his hair but maybe the kids do,i personally hate beards.The point is when we draft, we should factor in the types that will like boston.This is one reason i liked dwight powell as well as his skill level for size and zeller should thrive,Boston is in rebuild whats going to keep these players here.Loyalty to team mates,winning,money and place in history.The fact that mchale,bird,ainge have moved  into positions of power even russell and KC.I think green may have liked it here and that why he is upset.What good are high draft picks going to do, if you groom them and it's bye bye-its just buisness ,you know these winters are murder and the money is too good ,anyway you would trade when it suits you- get moving ainge

We've been waiting through two Jeff Green contracts to see if he might come to deliver consistently strong effort in his play. Here it is 30 games into a contract year for what should be the biggest contract of his career--and he's moaning about how hard it is to get up for every game? Winning, he says, makes it hard. Getting discouraged and down on yourself makes it hard, he says makes it hard too.

If there's a shred of Celtics loyalty and pride left, Mr. Green will be traded from the team before a re-signing can even be contemplated.

Thank you, this is a great example of a weak, whining and excuse making guy not playing hard every day. He has always needed a kick in the butt to perform well. Now we don't have one for him and he is saying its hard? TP4U

[Kuberski33]

While it is a worthy idea, that mindset doesn't work in today's NBA under current collective bargaining agreements and young players looking to secure their next big contract and get marketing opportunities above all else.

Most of the decisions that get made these days are based on economics.  It is what it is.  Put Red's Celtic teams into today's game and anyone who was underpaid would be plucked off by other teams throwing big contracts at them so there's no way they'd be as dominant. 

[fairweatherfan]

While it is a worthy idea, that mindset doesn't work in today's NBA under current collective bargaining agreements and young players looking to secure their next big contract and get marketing opportunities above all else.

Most of the decisions that get made these days are based on economics.  It is what it is.  Put Red's Celtic teams into today's game and anyone who was underpaid would be plucked off by other teams throwing big contracts at them so there's no way they'd be as dominant.

And the old Celtics teams were also notorious for underpaying their players.  Not viable these days.