It's time to clear out the roster before CBS loses the team

[Kuberski33]

Stevens needs to get a pair. 

He needs to lay out his expectations, and when players aren't meeting those expectations, he needs to sit them down. 

He needs to tell Danny - you find me the players, but you need to let me coach.  He can't let Ainge dictate playing time, in a futile effort to showcase our marginal talent to other teams. 

He needs to let it be known that frustrations get expressed in the locker room and in his office - not in the media.

Stevens has a long-term contract, but that doesn't mean the fans and the media won't ride him out of town.  If he wants a thirty-year career coaching in The Show, he needs to begin showing that he can actually be a leader.

When CBS got the job it was pretty much assumed that he'd have a learning curve ahead of him. This is part of it.  The Skiles, get in your face, approach works for a limited period of time, then players tire of it and the team ends up underperforming once again and Skiles is out the door.
 
Yes, Brad could well stand to 'grow a pair' in terms of dealing with players and also start working the refs a little more than he has, but assuming he wants to be here, I would give him time.  Its not like this a championship team that's under .500 because the coach can't get them to play. 

This is a crappy NBA team no matter who's coaching.

[knuckleballer]

I'm sorry but could anyone tell me who or what CBS is

Coach Brad Stephens

TP Thanks for the help!
What a funny abbreviation

It threw me off the first time I saw it too, but it's become common on this blog.

[clover]

I'm sorry but could anyone tell me who or what CBS is

Coach Brad Stephens

TP Thanks for the help!
What a funny abbreviation

It threw me off the first time I saw it too, but it's become common on this blog.

Yeah, I don't remember ever having seen "CDR" on here, seems to be new with Stevens.

[clover]

Stevens needs to get a pair. 

He needs to lay out his expectations, and when players aren't meeting those expectations, he needs to sit them down. 

He needs to tell Danny - you find me the players, but you need to let me coach.  He can't let Ainge dictate playing time, in a futile effort to showcase our marginal talent to other teams. 

He needs to let it be known that frustrations get expressed in the locker room and in his office - not in the media.

Stevens has a long-term contract, but that doesn't mean the fans and the media won't ride him out of town.  If he wants a thirty-year career coaching in The Show, he needs to begin showing that he can actually be a leader.

When CBS got the job it was pretty much assumed that he'd have a learning curve ahead of him. This is part of it.  The Skiles, get in your face, approach works for a limited period of time, then players tire of it and the team ends up underperforming once again and Skiles is out the door.
 
Yes, Brad could well stand to 'grow a pair' in terms of dealing with players and also start working the refs a little more than he has, but assuming he wants to be here, I would give him time.  Its not like this a championship team that's under .500 because the coach can't get them to play. 

This is a crappy NBA team no matter who's coaching.

I also expect that during the interview process they talked about the GM's involvement through such a rebuilding stage.

[D.o.s.]

I'm sorry but could anyone tell me who or what CBS is

Coach Brad Stephens

TP Thanks for the help!
What a funny abbreviation

It threw me off the first time I saw it too, but it's become common on this blog.

Yeah, I don't remember ever having seen "CDR" on here, seems to be new with Stevens.

Probably because 'Doc' is already three letters. 

[SHAQATTACK]

No way can you hang disorganized ball on the team. That's the coaches gig. 

OP is totally off base and must have been blindfolded or listening on a radio. 

The leadership is the foundation of the team .  I mean ....even Mike D Antony had better leadership skills than the Celtics coach .

The lack leadership and coaching was terrible last night.
Embarrassing



Clearly .....many more games like  last night....and Danny may have sit on the Bench

[kozlodoev]

t the job it was pretty much assumed that he'd have a learning curve ahead of him. This is part of it.  The Skiles, get in your face, approach works for a limited period of time, then players tire of it and the team ends up underperforming once again and Skiles is out the door.
 
Yes, Brad could well stand to 'grow a pair' in terms of dealing with players and also start working the refs a little more than he has, but assuming he wants to be here, I would give him time.  Its not like this a championship team that's under .500 because the coach can't get them to play.

Showing leadership doesn't mean he needs to get into anyone's face. As a matter of fact, that's probably one of the less efficient ways to be a leader.

But there are simple things he could do in order to establish credibility. For example, have basic, clearly outlined expectations of players -- including effort, defensive assignments, shot selection, plays, etc. Reward guys that meet said expectations, send a message to guys who don't.

Of course, Stevens seems to fail miserably at the later because he seems to have a very limited idea of what the former is. I don't think he knows who his best scorer is, or how to get good scoring chances over the course of a game. He seems to lack a core defensive philosophy, or at least has no idea how to translate his intentions into on-court performance.

The only time this team goes on the run is when (a) a shooter gets hot, or (b) someone gives you a great one-on-one defensive performance. Both of these are bound to happen from time to time over the course of a long season, but it doesn't exactly scream "well-coached team".

[D.o.s.]

Is it too salty to bring up the threads where people claimed Stevens was going to be/already was a better coach than Doc yet?

[knuckleballer]

Is it too salty to bring up the threads where people claimed Stevens was going to be/already was a better coach than Doc yet?

But don't you remember that the Celtics won despite Doc?  That they would have won 2-3 championships with a legitimate coach.  People love to bash coaches.

[kozlodoev]

Is it too salty to bring up the threads where people claimed Stevens was going to be/already was a better coach than Doc yet?

But don't you remember that the Celtics won despite Doc?  That they would have won 2-3 championships with a legitimate coach.  People love to bash coaches.

I remember a couple of horrible Celtics teams before Garnett and Allen when everyone on the roster played hard on both ends of the floor and generally was on board with the program. You can say all you want about Doc, but he knew how to manage people.

[Fafnir]

Both this year and last year the team has played really hard with what seems to be a gameplan for the first third or more of the season.

Then it all seems to fall off as the team struggles and everyone decides that being a lottery team means that "who cares". Which makes sense, even if it makes it impossible to watch.

[slamtheking]

Is it too salty to bring up the threads where people claimed Stevens was going to be/already was a better coach than Doc yet?

But don't you remember that the Celtics won despite Doc?  That they would have won 2-3 championships with a legitimate coach.  People love to bash coaches.

I remember a couple of horrible Celtics teams before Garnett and Allen when everyone on the roster played hard on both ends of the floor and generally was on board with the program. You can say all you want about Doc, but he knew how to manage people.

that's funny, I saw plenty of C's games post KG-injury (the Age of Sheed) where the team didn't play hard.  so many nights of dogging it and not putting away crappy teams early like they used to the first couple of years with KG/Ray.  That's on Doc.

Will say this about Stevens, you nailed it with your comments above

I don't think he knows who his best scorer is, or how to get good scoring chances over the course of a game. He seems to lack a core defensive philosophy, or at least has no idea how to translate his intentions into on-court performance.

Granted there's no star players on the roster but there does not seem to be any offensive sets nor any defensive scheme -- at least none being demonstrated on the court.

[Chris22]

Stevens is trying to lose.

It's pretty obvious.

[Celtics4ever]

Hard not to with our roster, so much for the rim protection.

I think taking a mid major college to the NCAA championship game twice is harder than winning a NBA with three hall of famers, don't you?

[Asher77]

I think there are many variables at play and much truth to the things said so far.

You can only hold a team together for so long that is losing despite their perceived best efforts on the court. It is human nature to tire of trying when you receive no gratification for those efforts.

Rondo left and we have to many men that deserve minutes. When I say deserve I mean based on past accomplishments and future development, not how they are playing now. It is not easy to pick 5 guys and tell them they will never see the court when more than 5 guys are not giving any true effort to play a team game within the system.
If you were to sit Green and Bass full time on the pine then the backlash from the players would be multiple times worse despite the fact that us fans on this blog may give CBS some credit.

CBS has bad options any way he plays it. My take on his direction is to just toe the line till Danny can dump some of these under performing guys. He is playing 12 men not because he thinks that's the best way to win today but instead he is letting them see for themselves out there on the court who is playing with effort and who is not.

Look at the energy Pressey played with the other night. That is an example to the other guys and would not have been possible where he never to see the court. Crowder has things to say and i feel they are magnified so early from the fact he has played with so many guys on the court. In a set rotation where he is out there with the same 5 guys all the time he would not have had a viewpoint so broad this quick.

Let the guys see what is going wrong now and prove there places in the rotation through effort. Then when we do lock in the rotations or trade some potential under performers the team will see the logic and believe in the value of those moves.

CBS is not dumb enough to think playing 12 men is a sound long term strategy and he will lock down his rotations at some time when it's proper.

Very ugly to watch tho atm.