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The Cavs Kevin Love gamble
« on: January 02, 2015, 03:00:27 AM »

Offline LarBrd33

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I know it's extremely unlikely that Kevin Love leaves the Cavs... but if he does, will that be seen as one of the worst gambles in NBA history? 

Andrew Wiggins has looked terrific his last 5 games.   21.4 points, 4.4 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.4 steals on 50% shooting and 43% from three... Kid is showing the potential.  He's 19 years old... there's no telling how good he'll get.  Tonight he had 27 points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists and 4 steals.  That's a sign of things to come, imo.

Bennett isn't getting the minutes right now, but could eventually develop into a really nice player as well.   

I mean, even if Love stays, this might be a bad trade in retrospect.  I know it's mostly on LeBron and not the Cavs as a whole.  LeBron wanted Love so they went out and got Love at an UNPRECEDENTED cost. 

Consider that Kevin Love is in a contract year and landed a transcendent prospect in Wiggins + a very nice prospect in Bennett.   Consider that a couple months later a borderline all-star in a contract year (Rajon Rondo) fetched a protected late 1st rounder.     

It's unfathomable the kind of return the Wolves got for Kevin Love.  It just wouldn't have happened had it not been for the bizarre set of circumstances.   It remains a fascinating storyline.  It would have been very interesting to see LeBron mentor young Wiggins.

Re: The Cavs Kevin Love gamble
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2015, 05:20:41 AM »

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Maybe not the "worst" gamble, but one of the least successful.  I think Cleveland was aware of the the risk, but they had the best player in the game in the prime of his career, and a young point guard on the step of becoming one of the top players at his position, as well as a lot other young talent.  If there's a time to push in a lot of your chips and go for it, that was it.  If it works, you get a championship-level team for half a decade.

And it still might work.  There was no question there was going to be an adjustment period, and it's not inconceivable that by May this team is humming on all, or at least most, cylinders and goes far in the post-season.  They're still in the Eastern Conference and are in no danger of missing the playoffs.

And again, you have to tip your hat to Flip Saunders.  He asked for the moon for Kevin Love, and held out until he got it.

I do think the "worst" gamble was made the summer before, and we are the beneficiaries (in the long run).  Brookyln traded half a decade of draft picks to add two former superstars who were really more cut out to be role players at that point in their careers to an already expensive team that really was not a championship contender at all, having just lost in the first round after a good-but-not-great season.  There was little more they could add to their team beyond those two due to the lack of additional resources and payroll inflexibility created by being $30 million over the luxury tax line, so if anything went wrong in terms of injury or chemistry, they would be stuck.  Furthermore, if it somehow all worked, they weren't looking at half a decade of success, but really 1-2 years at most.  They paid a similar price as the Cavs, from a lesser position, and with a smaller potential payoff.

(Actually, the worst gamble, or series of gambles, was probably committed by the Cavs in the early 80s, such that the NBA created a rule about trading future draft picks to prevent teams from being too stupid.  But in the modern salary cap era, I'll pick the Nets.)

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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2015, 07:14:23 AM »

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When I first glanced at the title I thought it read:

The Cavs Love Kevin gamble


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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2015, 08:19:25 AM »

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and Minnesota lost all 5 of those games and has just 5 wins all year. 

and Cleveland still has Bird rights for Love.  He would have to give up a bunch of money to leave Cleveland without Cleveland getting something for him.
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2015, 08:32:49 AM »

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LeBrons body has more minutes on it than most famous players ever at his age.   I don't see him using his remaining youth to push this team to a title. 

Giving up Wiggins was a BAD idea.   

No way James wins a title this year .....so Wiggins will be even better next year and James older

I seriously doubt , without a major BiG  or center brought in James as the ability to overcome the lack of a true center like he did in Miami and play small ball.

So if James doesn't win Eastern conf title in 2016 .....I say he's done with Cavs .   He'll run for Lakers or Houston in an attempt to get one more title .

I can NOT see Love wanting to stay long term in Cleveland ......that's as bad as Minn.  ....when James leaves Love.doesn't want to be stuck there.

I don't see Love resigning ANY long term .....it's a waste ...no Matter what James does.   I'd run like heck if I were Love.   

Father Time is calling on LeBron .

Cleveland has this year and next to,get it done .....if not .....it ain't happening .....James will leave again.


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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2015, 08:35:43 AM »

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and Minnesota lost all 5 of those games and has just 5 wins all year. 

and Cleveland still has Bird rights for Love.  He would have to give up a bunch of money to leave Cleveland without Cleveland getting something for him.

Half-correct.  He gives up money if he leaves Cleveland.  Cleveland getting something in return only matters if his desired new team does not have sufficient cap room.

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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2015, 09:15:23 AM »

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What surprises me the most about Wiggins is how he can score from the post. I thought Jabari had him beat in that aspect but I've seen a few wiggins games now and he has the spin move and post fade away down pretty nice. He can manufacture his own shot which is the toughest part about scoring in the NBA. If he can be as aggressive as he was last night the sky's the limit for that kid.

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2015, 09:34:49 AM »

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Yup I tried to lecture the Cavs against trading Wiggins.  Defense
being one reason.  James probably didn't want to share the spotlight
with a flashy young scorer.

Current advice to Lebron:  don't be a quitter, you're a good defending center
and defending SG away from title contention.

I wonder if these guys aren't really liking each other?  Seems
to me that's got to be in the equation considering the
recent comments by James that make it sound like he's
open to leaving Cleveland....

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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2015, 10:32:04 AM »

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and Cleveland still has Bird rights for Love.  He would have to give up a bunch of money to leave Cleveland without Cleveland getting something for him.
Not true anymore, sign and trades don't give players any additional money now.

If Love leaves Cleveland he's leaving money on the table no matter what.

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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2015, 11:05:04 AM »

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and Cleveland still has Bird rights for Love.  He would have to give up a bunch of money to leave Cleveland without Cleveland getting something for him.
Not true anymore, sign and trades don't give players any additional money now.

If Love leaves Cleveland he's leaving money on the table no matter what.
Yeah.  I knew that but always forget it.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2015, 12:01:57 PM »

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When I first glanced at the title I thought it read:

The Cavs Love Kevin gamble

Yeah I thought that this thread was about Kevin Gamble better get some coffee.

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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2015, 12:25:30 PM »

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While I would say it is a gamble.. it's one that probably most GMs in league would have made. I hope it backfires and Lebron / Love / Cavs all come out looking stupid.

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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2015, 12:30:47 PM »

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Dan Gilbert just got too impatient.  They should have been patient, seen what they had with Wiggins and then figured out a strategy for building the team.  They hadn't even had a practice yet with Lebron and went out and locked up Love long term, which is the fantasy basketball approach. 

Defense and developing a cohesive offensive system matter.  Right now it seems like they have a lot of mismatched parts.

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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2015, 01:06:08 PM »

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At the time I would have kept Wiggins no matter what and gave up package of Waiters, picks, Thompson, Bennet and Varejo. Then tried to trade for a Center or get semi retired JO. Man, Cavs should have held to that in hindsight.

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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2015, 01:35:59 PM »

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LeBrons body has more minutes on it than most famous players ever at his age.   I don't see him using his remaining youth to push this team to a title. 

Probably harder to recover without all the HGH and PEDs.