Snagging that Memphis 1st from Cleveland

[slamtheking]

We give up kind of a lot for only getting a 1st rounder in the mid 20's and Jordan Adams, no?  I think Brendan Haywood's contract really only has value to a contender who is over the cap and the rest is just filler. 

Trade does make a lot of sense for Memphis and CLE though, and I do like Jordan Adams but I'm not sure it's worth it for the C's.

The Memphis pick is popular because it's protected similar to the Dallas pick, but better.  It conveys only if Memphis picks from 6-14 this year or next, and is top 5 protected in 2017 and 2018, before being unprotected in 2019.  It's not difficult to imagine Memphis missing the playoffs but not being tankaliciously bad sometime in the next three seasons, in which case you get a pick in the 6-14 range sometime between now and 2017.  And if they do manage to hit a top 5 pick and fall into the protection, it's unlikely they'll rebound quickly the following year and make the playoffs, because teams normally don't get that bad for a single season to rebound so quickly.  Whoever gets that pick Cleveland is owed, be it Cleveland or someone else, will probably get a mid-to-late lottery pick at some point.  It was protected very well.

actually it is.

Memphis has enough talent to make the playoffs for several years.  Gasol isn't going anywhere.  Pick probably would be conveyed to the team holding it in 2017 since Memphis is extremely unlikely to be in the top 5 spots.  a non-lottery pick.  hardly worth giving up that many solid players for the crappy players coming back.

[slamtheking]

If you just want the pick, why not just trade Wright to Cleveland for the pick.  Cleveland has a TPE that would fit Wright.  No need to do the Memphis part of the trade at all.

now this makes the most sense.  considering how much Cleveland needs a good big man right now and need to win, I think they'd seriously consider it.

[saltlover]

If you just want the pick, why not just trade Wright to Cleveland for the pick.  Cleveland has a TPE that would fit Wright.  No need to do the Memphis part of the trade at all.

I'd be shocked if Cleveland would take Wright for that first straight up.  If so, the Rondo trade looks worlds better.  Maybe if we took Varejao back.

[saltlover]

We give up kind of a lot for only getting a 1st rounder in the mid 20's and Jordan Adams, no?  I think Brendan Haywood's contract really only has value to a contender who is over the cap and the rest is just filler. 

Trade does make a lot of sense for Memphis and CLE though, and I do like Jordan Adams but I'm not sure it's worth it for the C's.

The Memphis pick is popular because it's protected similar to the Dallas pick, but better.  It conveys only if Memphis picks from 6-14 this year or next, and is top 5 protected in 2017 and 2018, before being unprotected in 2019.  It's not difficult to imagine Memphis missing the playoffs but not being tankaliciously bad sometime in the next three seasons, in which case you get a pick in the 6-14 range sometime between now and 2017.  And if they do manage to hit a top 5 pick and fall into the protection, it's unlikely they'll rebound quickly the following year and make the playoffs, because teams normally don't get that bad for a single season to rebound so quickly.  Whoever gets that pick Cleveland is owed, be it Cleveland or someone else, will probably get a mid-to-late lottery pick at some point.  It was protected very well.

actually it is.

I think you need to work on your imagination skills.

[Moranis]

If you just want the pick, why not just trade Wright to Cleveland for the pick.  Cleveland has a TPE that would fit Wright.  No need to do the Memphis part of the trade at all.

I'd be shocked if Cleveland would take Wright for that first straight up.  If so, the Rondo trade looks worlds better.  Maybe if we took Varejao back.

Why?  Cleveland needs a solid big man for their bench, especially one that is a solid defender.  Now maybe they think they can get something better in the TPE, but I'm not so sure they can.  They certainly aren't trading Varejao.

[Celtics4ever]

I don't think they would help each other either.   It makes no sense, CLE is not in a good place, in terms of big depth, why would they help them?   They wouldn't!

[saltlover]

If you just want the pick, why not just trade Wright to Cleveland for the pick.  Cleveland has a TPE that would fit Wright.  No need to do the Memphis part of the trade at all.

I'd be shocked if Cleveland would take Wright for that first straight up.  If so, the Rondo trade looks worlds better.  Maybe if we took Varejao back.

Why?  Cleveland needs a solid big man for their bench, especially one that is a solid defender.  Now maybe they think they can get something better in the TPE, but I'm not so sure they can.  They certainly aren't trading Varejao.

They should trade Varejao.  A torn Achilles isn't something you come back from easily, and his injury history is not something to hope that he'll heal quickly. He makes a lot of money that could be better used this and next season.

Wright is the 5th big in a rotation on a not good team (ours).  If that's somehow worth a first and a $5 mil trade exception, the Celtics would not have Brandon Bass any more.

[slamtheking]

We give up kind of a lot for only getting a 1st rounder in the mid 20's and Jordan Adams, no?  I think Brendan Haywood's contract really only has value to a contender who is over the cap and the rest is just filler. 

Trade does make a lot of sense for Memphis and CLE though, and I do like Jordan Adams but I'm not sure it's worth it for the C's.

The Memphis pick is popular because it's protected similar to the Dallas pick, but better.  It conveys only if Memphis picks from 6-14 this year or next, and is top 5 protected in 2017 and 2018, before being unprotected in 2019.  It's not difficult to imagine Memphis missing the playoffs but not being tankaliciously bad sometime in the next three seasons, in which case you get a pick in the 6-14 range sometime between now and 2017.  And if they do manage to hit a top 5 pick and fall into the protection, it's unlikely they'll rebound quickly the following year and make the playoffs, because teams normally don't get that bad for a single season to rebound so quickly.  Whoever gets that pick Cleveland is owed, be it Cleveland or someone else, will probably get a mid-to-late lottery pick at some point.  It was protected very well.

actually it is.

I think you need to work on your imagination skills.

I think you need to come back to reality.  the West is tough but Memphis missing the playoffs in the near future with Gasol, ZBo, TA, Conley, etc? is a pretty big stretch

[Moranis]

We give up kind of a lot for only getting a 1st rounder in the mid 20's and Jordan Adams, no?  I think Brendan Haywood's contract really only has value to a contender who is over the cap and the rest is just filler. 

Trade does make a lot of sense for Memphis and CLE though, and I do like Jordan Adams but I'm not sure it's worth it for the C's.

The Memphis pick is popular because it's protected similar to the Dallas pick, but better.  It conveys only if Memphis picks from 6-14 this year or next, and is top 5 protected in 2017 and 2018, before being unprotected in 2019.  It's not difficult to imagine Memphis missing the playoffs but not being tankaliciously bad sometime in the next three seasons, in which case you get a pick in the 6-14 range sometime between now and 2017.  And if they do manage to hit a top 5 pick and fall into the protection, it's unlikely they'll rebound quickly the following year and make the playoffs, because teams normally don't get that bad for a single season to rebound so quickly.  Whoever gets that pick Cleveland is owed, be it Cleveland or someone else, will probably get a mid-to-late lottery pick at some point.  It was protected very well.

actually it is.

I think you need to work on your imagination skills.

I think you need to come back to reality.  the West is tough but Memphis missing the playoffs in the near future with Gasol, ZBo, TA, Conley, etc? is a pretty big stretch

yeah but Gasol is an unrestricted free agent this summer and Conley the summer after.  If Gasol leaves, it is certainly quite possible that Conley follows suit the following summer and then they just start selling off assets to go into tank mode.  Now sure if Gasol re-ups and they stay healthy then yeah they should be good, but Gasol most definitely might leave this summer.

[Rondo9]

I wonder if Cleveland has enough money to sign Marc Gasol.....

[slamtheking]

We give up kind of a lot for only getting a 1st rounder in the mid 20's and Jordan Adams, no?  I think Brendan Haywood's contract really only has value to a contender who is over the cap and the rest is just filler. 

Trade does make a lot of sense for Memphis and CLE though, and I do like Jordan Adams but I'm not sure it's worth it for the C's.

The Memphis pick is popular because it's protected similar to the Dallas pick, but better.  It conveys only if Memphis picks from 6-14 this year or next, and is top 5 protected in 2017 and 2018, before being unprotected in 2019.  It's not difficult to imagine Memphis missing the playoffs but not being tankaliciously bad sometime in the next three seasons, in which case you get a pick in the 6-14 range sometime between now and 2017.  And if they do manage to hit a top 5 pick and fall into the protection, it's unlikely they'll rebound quickly the following year and make the playoffs, because teams normally don't get that bad for a single season to rebound so quickly.  Whoever gets that pick Cleveland is owed, be it Cleveland or someone else, will probably get a mid-to-late lottery pick at some point.  It was protected very well.

actually it is.

I think you need to work on your imagination skills.

I think you need to come back to reality.  the West is tough but Memphis missing the playoffs in the near future with Gasol, ZBo, TA, Conley, etc? is a pretty big stretch

yeah but Gasol is an unrestricted free agent this summer and Conley the summer after.  If Gasol leaves, it is certainly quite possible that Conley follows suit the following summer and then they just start selling off assets to go into tank mode.  Now sure if Gasol re-ups and they stay healthy then yeah they should be good, but Gasol most definitely might leave this summer.

he may be a UFA and will be courted heavily by every team that has the $ but I really think it would be a surprise if he left Memphis.  Really good team at this point and there doesn't seem to be any discord that would suggest he wants out.