Why do people keep talking about trading Avery Bradley

[GreenWarrior]

Because

-People think 20 games of bad shooting will happen for the rest of his career despite 200 games of evidence to the contrary

-People think that because he has stopped stripping guys in a full court press that his defense has "really fallen off, man"

-People think that $8m/year is overpaying as they look at contracts from the year 2005 to compare it to and live in ignorance of the future of the cap.

-People think that his height means he will have issues guarding 2s despite no evidence of this actually happening.

-Defense is still not given enough weight in player assessment.

wow, someone watches a different game. we're talking about Avery Bradley. he has bad shooting nights because he takes bad shots. as for D, off the top of my head? Derron Williams made him look below average, who is a smaller defender. as for the larger 2's he has to defend? I've yet to see him have the ability to defend them yet.

[mike1k2]

Im not worried about his shooting. its the wide open layups he misses every game that frustrate me!!

[2short]

If the right package comes along I'd trade him in a heartbeat.
Undersized shooting guard, streaky shooter, doesn't create his own shot, doesn't have good ball handling, not a good passer, good defense but not as good as it used to be.

Bradley is a third guard, not a starter. 

[piercetruth34]

I think in general signing Bradley just shows integrity by the Celtics that they are out for everyone's best interests.  Especially a guy like Bradley who works hard.  Too many fans are caught up in how much money these guys make, and too focused on the negative,  where if teams just dumped players like a bag of chips that doesn't really show much integrity imo and isn't good for the league, the player, or the Celtics.  Keeping your players and signing them is good for everyone.  Obviously depends and every situation is different, but the Celtics have a lot of options even still.

Signing Bradley was a no brainer to me and not sure why fans get so caught up in stuff like that.   He got market value.  He might be a little overpaid because the market was where it was at,  but if we are developing players, at least we have that player.  The Celtics may be trying to go after cap space eventually, but in the interm I don't think you just cut bait on players.

DA has said in the past that he's dealing with players and their families and trying to do what is in everyone's best interest and that speaks for itself.  That's why he's a good GM.  He wouldn't be one if he didn't do that.  Nor would he be a very good person either.

[GreenGoggles]

Because

-People think 20 games of bad shooting will happen for the rest of his career despite 200 games of evidence to the contrary

-People think that because he has stopped stripping guys in a full court press that his defense has "really fallen off, man"

-People think that $8m/year is overpaying as they look at contracts from the year 2005 to compare it to and live in ignorance of the future of the cap.

-People think that his height means he will have issues guarding 2s despite no evidence of this actually happening.

-Defense is still not given enough weight in player assessment.

wow, someone watches a different game. we're talking about Avery Bradley. he has bad shooting nights because he takes bad shots. as for D, off the top of my head? Derron Williams made him look below average, who is a smaller defender. as for the larger 2's he has to defend? I've yet to see him have the ability to defend them yet.

Harden torched Bradley in iso's in the rockets game as well, Bradley isn't a lockdown defender anymore, he said himself he eased up defensively to focus on his offense. Which would be nice if his offensive game consisted of anything but 18 foot pull ups.

To me Bradley is following a similar path to Glen Davis, they both found success doing hustle things (such as Bradley cutting to the hoop and Davis crashing the offensive glass) and then they fell in love with the jumpshot and adbandonded what got them their minutes in the first place, the little things they did.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I think in general signing Bradley just shows integrity by the Celtics that they are out for everyone's best interests.  Especially a guy like Bradley who works hard.  Too many fans are caught up in how much money these guys make, and too focused on the negative,  where if teams just dumped players like a bag of chips that doesn't really show much integrity imo and isn't good for the league, the player, or the Celtics.  Keeping your players and signing them is good for everyone.  Obviously depends and every situation is different, but the Celtics have a lot of options even still.

Signing Bradley was a no brainer to me and not sure why fans get so caught up in stuff like that.   He got market value.  He might be a little overpaid because the market was where it was at,  but if we are developing players, at least we have that player.  The Celtics may be trying to go after cap space eventually, but in the interm I don't think you just cut bait on players.

DA has said in the past that he's dealing with players and their families and trying to do what is in everyone's best interest and that speaks for itself.  That's why he's a good GM.  He wouldn't be one if he didn't do that.

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Historically, he has done the exact opposite. Rondo and Allen were dangled at every trade deadline for years.

[ViolentGhandi]

GreenWarrior - thats stupid - what aplies for AB aplies for everyone else too - for instance in the WIZ game at some point it looked like collectiv inability do make an simple layup - I have never seen anything like that in a NBA game - never!

later in that game each and everyone started shooting 3s (maybe I should say everyone besides the obv candidates) - Green, Suly, Bradley, Nelsen, Turner, Smart... I would have to check and make an list for that sequence but it looked like BS told them that their only chance comming back into the game was taking 3s - from which none did fall. Boston had breaks but never got any closer because they settled for something everyone knows they aint good at. Thats taking bad shots so they all have to be moved.

Same goes for the D - the team still sucks in that regard as a whole. Sure we all know that Smart and Bradley are really good on D and Oly is without a doubt showing good improofment. But thats just not good enough if the whole team takes whole quaters off. The help D is still way too bad in general but you can't blame that on the guards.

On the thing with Williams - he played like he has something too proof - which he does. He actually looked pretty good in that game. If he plays only remotly the way he did 4 years ago he really is a though cover and he did that in the 4th. There is just no way to take away all his offence if he plays like that. I mean its his bread and butter to fool revs into getting him to the line by jumping into the defender performing his acting job. Imo those plays should be reviewed after games and he should be fined for that if it wasnt called right away. For his outside shot - how is Bradley supposed to shut those down entirely? Thats just impossible. I mean common if he has to bother every shot you would expect the same from the player who guards him. As mentioned 1000s of times Bradley is one of the hobbits so all his shoots should be easily blockable by your logic - and no there is no reason to let him shoot cause he is shooting so bad cause 0% shooting is even better than allowed 35-40%.

Also in the last 2 games his shooting has gotten better again I think. Would need to look at the stats but I remember him making 3 3s in a row at some point after making a layup to get him goining so its not all bad.

If he would be moved now that difference would it make - we would be even worse. ATM the games at least are enjoyable to watch for the most of the time, like when they wake up after the first quater of collectiv sleepwalking. That has to be adressed imo because its unexcuseable. Asking to bring Young instead is just stupid - if he was even was ready to play he would get minutes from BS, everyone does so why not him if he is so good? Doc didnt play the rookies back in the day - BS never did shy away from that. 

[piercetruth34]

I think in general signing Bradley just shows integrity by the Celtics that they are out for everyone's best interests.  Especially a guy like Bradley who works hard.  Too many fans are caught up in how much money these guys make, and too focused on the negative,  where if teams just dumped players like a bag of chips that doesn't really show much integrity imo and isn't good for the league, the player, or the Celtics.  Keeping your players and signing them is good for everyone.  Obviously depends and every situation is different, but the Celtics have a lot of options even still.

Signing Bradley was a no brainer to me and not sure why fans get so caught up in stuff like that.   He got market value.  He might be a little overpaid because the market was where it was at,  but if we are developing players, at least we have that player.  The Celtics may be trying to go after cap space eventually, but in the interm I don't think you just cut bait on players.

DA has said in the past that he's dealing with players and their families and trying to do what is in everyone's best interest and that speaks for itself.  That's why he's a good GM.  He wouldn't be one if he didn't do that.

?

Historically, he has done the exact opposite. Rondo and Allen were dangled at every trade deadline for years.

This is where ainge is misunderstood though.  Rondo wasn't traded for years and was finally moved to a situation that was good for everyone.  A lot of fans would have traded him for a bag of chips at the first sign to get what they could.  DA is a good person and is actually thinking of other people.  Ray went to Miami. He kind of bolted there instead of waiting things out.  I don't blame him overly being dangled in trade rumors that long but that's ultimately the goal of the Celtics or should be.  The Celtics aren't perfect themselves.  It's a process even still.

A lot of fans are impatient imo.  Will jump the gun vs thinking things through. Selfish motives.   

I don't mind the trade talk so much.  Conversation is good and people have a right to explore.  Those are all good things.  Talking about trading Bradley is fine to me.  I think it's more when someone says they would do something or trashes a player before he gets his due or wants someone to fail.  Not really thinking of others.

[ViolentGhandi]

yeah but saying that Bradley's D has gotten much worse because he can not shutdown Harden, Wall and the likes for the entire game is not fair. I don't see anyone in the league do that atm.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I think in general signing Bradley just shows integrity by the Celtics that they are out for everyone's best interests.  Especially a guy like Bradley who works hard.  Too many fans are caught up in how much money these guys make, and too focused on the negative,  where if teams just dumped players like a bag of chips that doesn't really show much integrity imo and isn't good for the league, the player, or the Celtics.  Keeping your players and signing them is good for everyone.  Obviously depends and every situation is different, but the Celtics have a lot of options even still.

Signing Bradley was a no brainer to me and not sure why fans get so caught up in stuff like that.   He got market value.  He might be a little overpaid because the market was where it was at,  but if we are developing players, at least we have that player.  The Celtics may be trying to go after cap space eventually, but in the interm I don't think you just cut bait on players.

DA has said in the past that he's dealing with players and their families and trying to do what is in everyone's best interest and that speaks for itself.  That's why he's a good GM.  He wouldn't be one if he didn't do that.

?

Historically, he has done the exact opposite. Rondo and Allen were dangled at every trade deadline for years.

This is where ainge is misunderstood though.  Rondo wasn't traded for years and was finally moved to a situation that was good for everyone.  A lot of fans would have traded him for a bag of chips at the first sign to get what they could.  DA is a good person and is actually thinking of other people.  Ray went to Miami. He kind of bolted there instead of waiting things out.  I don't blame him overly being dangled in trade rumors that long but that's ultimately the goal of the Celtics or should be.  The Celtics aren't perfect themselves.  It's a process even still.

A lot of fans are impatient imo.  Will jump the gun vs thinking things through. Selfish motives.   

I don't mind the trade talk so much.  Conversation is good and people have a right to explore.  Those are all good things.  Talking about trading Bradley is fine to me.  I think it's more when someone says they would do something or trashes a player before he gets his due or wants someone to fail.  Not really thinking of others.

I don't know DA. I don't like him, but there is undoubtedly a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we will never know about. And given where we are right now, I am pretty ambivalent.

I do appreciate your perspective, though, on treating your players well. I'm from the old-school mentality of placing a high value on loyalty. And you're right... FAs considering coming to Boston will take that into account.

[Celtics4ever]

Because very little about him sticks out.   His ball handling is a little better this year but prior to that was horrific.  Shooting he has a good game and a bad game.   Defensively, he is average now.   He is over paid for where he is performing, so is Lance Stephenson.  New contract and he seems satisfied to coast.  Prior to this his defense was superb.  Guess he got paid, now he is happy with his pile of money.  I do not think we will get much for him.

[2short]

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To me Bradley is following a similar path to Glen Davis, they both found success doing hustle things (such as Bradley cutting to the hoop and Davis crashing the offensive glass) and then they fell in love with the jumpshot and adbandonded what got them their minutes in the first place, the little things they did.
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tp this i think is an important factor
instead of taking his good skill set (defense) and adding to it, the defense has been pulled back and while the jumper has improved I would say nothing else has
if its me and i'm making millions i'd pay to go to summer guard camp and learn ball handling etc

[piercetruth34]

I think in general signing Bradley just shows integrity by the Celtics that they are out for everyone's best interests.  Especially a guy like Bradley who works hard.  Too many fans are caught up in how much money these guys make, and too focused on the negative,  where if teams just dumped players like a bag of chips that doesn't really show much integrity imo and isn't good for the league, the player, or the Celtics.  Keeping your players and signing them is good for everyone.  Obviously depends and every situation is different, but the Celtics have a lot of options even still.

Signing Bradley was a no brainer to me and not sure why fans get so caught up in stuff like that.   He got market value.  He might be a little overpaid because the market was where it was at,  but if we are developing players, at least we have that player.  The Celtics may be trying to go after cap space eventually, but in the interm I don't think you just cut bait on players.

DA has said in the past that he's dealing with players and their families and trying to do what is in everyone's best interest and that speaks for itself.  That's why he's a good GM.  He wouldn't be one if he didn't do that.

?

Historically, he has done the exact opposite. Rondo and Allen were dangled at every trade deadline for years.

This is where ainge is misunderstood though.  Rondo wasn't traded for years and was finally moved to a situation that was good for everyone.  A lot of fans would have traded him for a bag of chips at the first sign to get what they could.  DA is a good person and is actually thinking of other people.  Ray went to Miami. He kind of bolted there instead of waiting things out.  I don't blame him overly being dangled in trade rumors that long but that's ultimately the goal of the Celtics or should be.  The Celtics aren't perfect themselves.  It's a process even still.

A lot of fans are impatient imo.  Will jump the gun vs thinking things through. Selfish motives.   

I don't mind the trade talk so much.  Conversation is good and people have a right to explore.  Those are all good things.  Talking about trading Bradley is fine to me.  I think it's more when someone says they would do something or trashes a player before he gets his due or wants someone to fail.  Not really thinking of others.

I don't know DA. I don't like him, but there is undoubtedly a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we will never know about. And given where we are right now, I am pretty ambivalent.

I do appreciate your perspective, though, on treating your players well. I'm from the old-school mentality of placing a high value on loyalty. And you're right... FAs considering coming to Boston will take that into account.

I hear you.  It's not even necessarily my perspective.  I more think that's just what Ainge is doing from watching him.  I get being firmly loyal to players too.  There are also people who want to dump players for a bag of chips and get what we can.  Antoine walker had that happen to him and he's  still feeling misunderstood and has  issues  to this day that he's dealing with and learning from. We can get into the whole race issue and just differing ways of how people are and think.  It's complicated somewhat.  I think DA has come full circle in wa ys where he's much more careful with how he approaches things but players being in trade rumors for years isn't really good either.  Just part of how it is now. 

It's no different than relationships.  Do you stay married through thick and thin no matter what?  if you can't be with someone to just cut bait  tell them flat out where they stand?  Do you still care and try to do what is in the other persons best interest?  I think people are hypocritical somewhat and say they are loyal but they are loyal to maybe 1 person and not a lot of other people.

DA is at least trying somewhat. But I'm not  saying he's right or wrong either.  I don't know what is best in that situation honestly. Fans say they are loyal.  They want him to trade Rondo and dump on Rondo then are mad at DA for doing so and trying to find a good situation for him.  It's ridiculous.  They say they are firmly loyal and all this stuff and these same people will dump these players in a heartbeat some of them. 

[cb8883]

Because he is mediocre and not worth his contract. These guys are generally the 8th or 9th man in a rotation. He is a very underwhelming number 2. When Jeff Green is a better offensive player than you it shows where you truly stand.

[moiso]

Because he is mediocre and not worth his contract. These guys are generally the 8th or 9th man in a rotation. He is a very underwhelming number 2. When Jeff Green is a better offensive player than you it shows where you truly stand.

The whole team stands below Jeff Green on offense except for maybe Olynyk on a good day.