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The possibility that some pro-Rondo fans are younger
« on: December 23, 2014, 04:26:45 PM »

Offline obnoxiousmime

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Sorry to start another Rondo thread, but I thought this deserved its own space.

Bill Simmons mentioned something in his recent podcast (Monday - Cousin Sal/Bill's Dad) that may have provided context for some of the ardent Rondo fans on this board. Bill and his dad talked about how sad the trade was for the younger generation of fans for whom Rondo is their guy. To them, the many years of rebuilding preceding the second Big Three era may be more a distant childhood memory than it is to us who experienced it in our teens, twenties, or older.

I don't mean to paint all pro-Rondo fans with the same brush because there were definitely legitimate arguments to keeping him around despite the free agent risk. However, I can't help but wonder if some of the pro-Rondo sentiment was based partly in naivete. A younger fan may not have experienced a long rebuild and not understand how it is sometimes necessary. They may think that a HOF player like Garnett becomes available every couple years and that the Celtics would naturally have a great shot at him, when actually the opposite is true. All the assets in the world wouldn't have mattered if Ainge hadn't made a successful pitch to Garnett before the trade. It's totally unprecedented in the modern era for the Celtics to have convinced a star like that to come to Boston (remember that even though we had Pierce and Allen, the team sans Allen actually only won 24 games the season before. Rivers hadn't ever won anything and Ainge was an unproven GM who had presided over 4 mediocre seasons - Garnett was taking a humongous risk). It really speaks to Garnett's unique personality that he didn't just angle to go for the most obvious and safer destination like most players in that situation would.

These younger fans may also not have the cynicism of an older fan when it comes to players saying the right things to the press but obviously thinking something different inside. To an older fan, the writing was on the wall and it's the same old story of a star in his prime leaving a rebuilding team for a contender. What Rondo said publicly was inconsequential. I can see how a younger fan who grew up with Rondo might take his words at face value because this guy is their favorite player. I love Rondo too, but my heart's already been broken countless times. Once it became clear no stars were going to be available, Rondo simply didn't belong on this team. The fact that Rondo displayed little shock from the sudden trade just shows me that mentally he was already prepared for a divorce.

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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2014, 04:36:01 PM »

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I certainly wish I were as young in body as I am at heart. 
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2014, 04:38:43 PM »

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  I think it's more likely the younger fans are the ones that wanted to jump head-first into the rebuild because the sooner we start it, the sooner we'll be contending again. The people who lived through the post-Bird years should have been the ones who were hoping Danny would be able to swing a few trades and reload as opposed to an indefinitely long trip to the lottery.

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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2014, 04:40:36 PM »

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Haha, didn't mean to come off as condescending.

Just putting my Psych 101 credits to use here.

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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2014, 04:41:18 PM »

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I am not a younger person, I have played for 40 years, I play now on an Air Force base league.....I always liked Rondo and still do. Talking to the press is worth what..? Rondo was a GREAT CELTIC to me.....He stood up for his team, as Tommy H would have, and any good team mate...

         He is/was one of the BEST, purest PG's I have ever seen. Ball handling, passing, lay ups, drives.......Hey, one of you who is so good at %'s..tell me or compare Rondo's shooting % to others on the team.....

 Who else produced on this team, and to what standard do you hold THEM to..?

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2014, 04:42:32 PM »

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 They may think that a HOF player like Garnett becomes available every couple years and that the Celtics would naturally have a great shot at him, when actually the opposite is true. All the assets in the world wouldn't have mattered if Ainge hadn't made a successful pitch to Garnett before the trade. It's totally unprecedented in the modern era for the Celtics to have convinced a star like that to come to Boston (remember that even though we had Pierce and Allen, the team sans Allen actually only won 24 games the season before. Rivers hadn't ever won anything and Ainge was an unproven GM who had presided over 4 mediocre seasons - Garnett was taking a humongous risk). It really speaks to Garnett's unique personality that he didn't just angle to go for the most obvious and safer destination like most players in that situation would.

You kind of lose me here. I don't think it took a unique personality for KG to realize he'd be joining up with a HOF in their prime still wing combo in Pierce and Allen, cold city or not.

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To me, NOTHING is a finality.

No matter what Rondo may have thought behind the scenes I'm sure if Ainge would've acquired the piece(s) for him to compete again he could've EASILY changed his mind.

I'm guessing that Ainge already had Rondo as a flawed player...too flawed to build around, as some of the hearsay today on the blog suggests.

Whether or not he was as talented as Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo was STILL our best player. He STILL has friends around the league that MAY have been persuaded to come here.

Danny Ainge has been called a Gambler on here.....I hope he has his hand ready to play, because the path we're going down is a slippery one, and our opponents are just as cunning as he believes he is.

No Red Auerbach this time around to spread his magic.

He is, to me, placing a LOT of faith AND UNCERTAINTY in this upcoming draft...we'll see how it works.

I'm optimistic.

We should not gamble, though....sometimes you crap out.

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Certainly a loaded topic and a lot going on here and I don't think anything is really clear cut.  I guess a few points/observations from my end.

- Rondo's skill set has always been a very unique one and not genuinely seen in the NBA.  I think you saw plenty of "traditionalists" be very critical of Rondo because of the way he played the game and because it didn't "jive" with their notion of what a star basketball player should be.  I think the scoring/shooting being the main factor there.  If he didn't fit your taste, you were probably going to be critical of him.  Especially at the idea of him being the alpha dog of this team going forward.

- In terms of the "youth" thing, there may be something to it but you also saw plenty of people on these boards who are older and were supportive of Rondo.  It wasn't just a 'youth" thing. 

- Its hard not to identify and develop a strong attachment to a player when you're a certain age.  I'm sure there are plenty of people who attached themselves to Rondo the way that plenty of us attached ourselves to Pierce in the  late 90s/early 00s or Bird in the 80s.  Definitely a bit of a generational thing. 

- There had arose a group in the past few years who seemed spoiled and entitled with the Celtics success.  People who probably didn't really understand the early times pre-2008.  Let's not kid ourselves, a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon or just became straight up fans when things turned around for the Celtics.  I think they see things in a very different manner than someone who may have experienced the mid 90s or the mid 2000s. 

Last point doesn't really have much to do with the Rondo question but just an observation on some of the fanbase.


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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2014, 04:52:56 PM »

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  I think it's more likely the younger fans are the ones that wanted to jump head-first into the rebuild because the sooner we start it, the sooner we'll be contending again. The people who lived through the post-Bird years should have been the ones who were hoping Danny would be able to swing a few trades and reload as opposed to an indefinitely long trip to the lottery.

That's an interesting angle to look at it from. The league is very different nowadays, however, and attempting a quick turnaround carries its own risks, namely the treadmill of mediocrity.

Maybe we need to split this up into more generations of fans. The Bird-era fans who think just a few nifty Auerbach-ian moves would have us instantly contending again, the 90s fans who lamented how we didn't get anything for trading some of those 80s veterans before they retired, and the aughts fans who are... more similar to the 80s fans in thinking a Garnett deal is right around the corner?

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Define young. I'm close to Simmons in age and I hate the trade. Reminds me of Ainge for Pickney and Klein.  I never liked it.
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I'm 19 and was secretly pleased when Rondo left town.

I always thought the opposite, actually. I felt the older generation was turned off by the Draft and "rebuilding" after having suffered 1990s Celtic basketball (an era of putridity that I gladly missed).


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I'm 19 and was secretly pleased when Rondo left town.

I always thought the opposite, actually. I felt the older generation was turned off by the Draft and "rebuilding" after having suffered 1990s Celtic basketball (an era of putridity that I gladly missed).

You've done a terrible job of keeping your secret. 
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I'm 19 and was secretly pleased when Rondo left town.

I always thought the opposite, actually. I felt the older generation was turned off by the Draft and "rebuilding" after having suffered 1990s Celtic basketball (an era of putridity that I gladly missed).

You've done a terrible job of keeping your secret.

  Haha.