Bradley 6-20 Tonight, 1 reb , 1 ast ...............

[oldtype]

Bradley shot horribly tonight (including 1-11 from 3), and also the two games previous. The six games before that he was 49% from the field and 50% (11-22) from 3. The cyclical 'Bradley stinks' threads seem to always arise from poor shooting stretches. It's ironic to me when in contrast to all these McLemore threads and posts talking like he's a future all-star, given the similarities in their games.

McLemore is taller.

I'm not going to act like I know McLemore's game cause I don't but isn't he more athletic then Bradley? I thought he had a quicker first step and better vertical?

He is more athletic but it doesn't seem to have translated to his offense at all. He averages less than 2 free throws a game. He's a jump shooter mostly, though a good one.

Edit: His contribution is not much different than Bradley's, except AB's numbers are a little below his norm so far.

He still seems very raw. He could develop a better all around game possibly. But again you probably know his game better. I've only seen him play a couple times.

And I think at this point we pretty know what to expect from Bradley. He's a solid NBA shooting guard but will be stuck in the middle of the pack for starting shooting guards.

I figure "middle of the pack for starting shooting guards" is worth about 7m in today's market.

about right. but in a few years when the new TV revenue kicks in bradley's contract will look fine.

Yeah it's not a good deal or a bad deal, just a not very exciting one. We paid market rate for an average starting player.

If we ever wanted to unload Avery's contract for expirings we could always do it. It's not a huge mistake.

[jpotter33]

The thing is, by the eye test tonight he looked pretty good. He was cutting, driving the ball more, and handling it well. I'm all for Bradley having the green light to shoot, but not those dang long twos a foot from the three point line that he always shoots. He just had a poor shooting night, but he did just come off of having the flu.

[oldtype]

The thing is, by the eye test tonight he looked pretty good. He was cutting, driving the ball more, and handling it well. I'm all for Bradley having the green light to shoot, but not those dang long twos a foot from the three point line that he always shoots. He just had a poor shooting night, but he did just come off of having the flu.

When I'm watching games I always think his shooting is terrible but when you look at the numbers he's at 44% on the year which isn't that bad especially when you consider that all he takes is jumpers. He's just very streaky I guess.

[Smitty77]

Bradley shot horribly tonight (including 1-11 from 3), and also the two games previous. The six games before that he was 49% from the field and 50% (11-22) from 3. The cyclical 'Bradley stinks' threads seem to always arise from poor shooting stretches. It's ironic to me when in contrast to all these McLemore threads and posts talking like he's a future all-star, given the similarities in their games.

McLemore is taller.

TP!!  Well said.  Prior to this very poor shooting night, AB was shooting 44.5%, 33.7% from three, and 82% at the line.  Ben is shooting slightly better from the floor.  BUT, does McLemore's defense even come close to Avery's?  NO!!\

Smitty77

[jpotter33]

The thing is, by the eye test tonight he looked pretty good. He was cutting, driving the ball more, and handling it well. I'm all for Bradley having the green light to shoot, but not those dang long twos a foot from the three point line that he always shoots. He just had a poor shooting night, but he did just come off of having the flu.

When I'm watching games I always think his shooting is terrible but when you look at the numbers he's at 44% on the year which isn't that bad especially when you consider that all he takes is jumpers. He's just very streaky I guess.

For sure. He is who he is, and that's pretty much a 3 and D guy.

[Mikedmx6]

I'll continue to say that this has to be one of top 5 worst contracts ainge has signed. Bradley is garbage, I'm not sure if he's hurt or just doesn't care cause he got paid but I'm sorry, I've met him and have actually sat down and had drinks with him and he's a great guy personality wise but not even close to playing to his contract.

[Rondo9]

I'll continue to say that this has to be one of top 5 worst contracts ainge has signed. Bradley is garbage, I'm not sure if he's hurt or just doesn't care cause he got paid but I'm sorry, I've met him and have actually sat down and had drinks with him and he's a great guy personality wise but not even close to playing to his contract.

Bradley is not a garbage player.

[LarBrd33]

I'll continue to say that this has to be one of top 5 worst contracts ainge has signed. Bradley is garbage, I'm not sure if he's hurt or just doesn't care cause he got paid but I'm sorry, I've met him and have actually sat down and had drinks with him and he's a great guy personality wise but not even close to playing to his contract.

Bradley is not a garbage player.

He's not garbage, but I don't think he's a long-term starter.  He's being paid like a starter. 

[tarheelsxxiii]

I'll continue to say that this has to be one of top 5 worst contracts ainge has signed. Bradley is garbage, I'm not sure if he's hurt or just doesn't care cause he got paid but I'm sorry, I've met him and have actually sat down and had drinks with him and he's a great guy personality wise but not even close to playing to his contract.

Bradley is not a garbage player.

He's not garbage, but I don't think he's a long-term starter.  He's being paid like a starter.

Obviously this i all very relevant, ans based upon speculation, but I thin he may be relatively close to market value. Also think his shooting, albeit streaky, is better than some perceive (after a bad night). He's solid, just not a starting PG on a contender. And at this point, we are who we are....

http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

[Rondo9]

I'll continue to say that this has to be one of top 5 worst contracts ainge has signed. Bradley is garbage, I'm not sure if he's hurt or just doesn't care cause he got paid but I'm sorry, I've met him and have actually sat down and had drinks with him and he's a great guy personality wise but not even close to playing to his contract.

Bradley is not a garbage player.

He's not garbage, but I don't think he's a long-term starter.  He's being paid like a starter.

He can start on some teams depending on the situation.

[krumeto]

Bradley shot horribly tonight (including 1-11 from 3), and also the two games previous. The six games before that he was 49% from the field and 50% (11-22) from 3. The cyclical 'Bradley stinks' threads seem to always arise from poor shooting stretches. It's ironic to me when in contrast to all these McLemore threads and posts talking like he's a future all-star, given the similarities in their games.

McLemore is taller.

TP!!  Well said.  Prior to this very poor shooting night, AB was shooting 44.5%, 33.7% from three, and 82% at the line.  Ben is shooting slightly better from the floor.  BUT, does McLemore's defense even come close to Avery's?  NO!!\

Smitty77

Next thing I would like to see from Avery is consistency. I prefer him shooting consistent 37% from 3p, then having a 50% stretch followed by a 10% stretch followed by 50% stretch etc...

AB is still very young - 5 months older than Kelly. I am not giving up on him becoming a more consistent 3 point shooter. With his D and a good consistent shooting, his contract seems fair to me.

A great video on the importance of consistency:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLmBLqAZhKI

P.S. May be I am a bit too harsh on AB being inconsistent 3 point Shooter. I found some data on consistency here http://bballbreakdown.com/2014/10/06/the-most-consistent-shooters-in-the-nba-the-list-will-surprise-you/

AB has a "Three rating" - 3 point shooting normalized for consistency - of 70,4 for 2013/2014 which is way above average. In his neighborhood - Ray Allen, Jason Terry, Foye, Novitzki etc...

[GreenWarrior]

He shot the ball when he was suppose to , but missed a crap load. 
AB is a streaky shooter.  There is nothing you can do.  You can only blame the coach if he shot 6-20 and we lost the game

  he's not a streaky shooter. he takes bad contested shots that go in on occasion. when he makes 'em it doesn't make him a great player or a great shooter....they're still bad shots

[Granath]

I've been a defender of Bradley, but I just can't do it anymore. Before this season, he has shown consistent growth in areas of his game. Between being a projected 15ppg scorer and a lock down defender, he was worth his salary.

Now? The lockdown defense doesn't seem to be there anymore. He's certainly still above average, but he's not elite. His 3pt shooting has declined tremendously to a horrid 30%. His shot selection is atrocious and he keeps chucking it even on nights he can't find the hoop with two hands and a search warrant. His scoring is down to 13ppg. His rebounding is down, his steals are down and his assists are down.

20+ games into his new contract, he looks like he no longer has that "edge". He looks content to put out mediocre effort and produce mediocre results.

[mgent]

I'm surprised he shot that well.... it felt like 2-20.

[krumeto]

I've been a defender of Bradley, but I just can't do it anymore. Before this season, he has shown consistent growth in areas of his game. Between being a projected 15ppg scorer and a lock down defender, he was worth his salary.

Now? The lockdown defense doesn't seem to be there anymore. He's certainly still above average, but he's not elite. His 3pt shooting has declined tremendously to a horrid 30%. His shot selection is atrocious and he keeps chucking it even on nights he can't find the hoop with two hands and a search warrant. His scoring is down to 13ppg. His rebounding is down, his steals are down and his assists are down.

20+ games into his new contract, he looks like he no longer has that "edge". He looks content to put out mediocre effort and produce mediocre results.

He was shooting equally bad or even worse through the first 20 Games last year, had a good December, bad Jan and Feb, good March and April. His cold spells seem to last long.

This might just be another one and he could end up having good %.