Where do you rank Rondo?

[pearljammer10]

I did this before but, just counting this season, guys who are playing better than Rondo (in no particular order):

CP3
Westbrook
Parker
Curry
Lillard
Irving
Wall
Lowry
Teague
Bledsoe/Dragic (not sure who is actually the point the majority)
Derrick Rose
Deron Williams

After that names like Collison, Brandon Knight come to mind, but I'd feel gross putting them on the list.

I'd put Conley on that list before I put Teague, Bledsoe/Dragic, Rose or Williams.

Agreed. Mike Conley is way underrated around here.

Vastly underrated everywhere in my eyes. He is a great two way player putting up great numbers for the leagues second best team at the moment. He's at 18, 6 and 3 with a steal per game and he is shooting 45% from the three point line. Also an underrated stat is the fact that he is only Turning the ball over 2.2 times per game. Compare that with the leagues best and starting PGs, that is a solidly stellar number. There are twenty starting PGs turning the ball over more than Conley.

Carter Williams 4.8
Westbrook       4.1
Wall                  4.0
Rondo              3.4
Bledsoe            3.3
Curry                3.3
Knight              3.2
Rose                 3.1
Teague             3.0
Rubio               3.0
Lawson            3.0
Parker              2.7
DWill                2.6
Jackson           2.6
Lillard               2.5
Lin                    2.5
Chalmers          2.5
Collison            2.3
Jennings           2.3
Dragic              2.3

[mgent]

I did this before but, just counting this season, guys who are playing better than Rondo (in no particular order):

CP3
Westbrook
Parker
Curry
Lillard
Irving
Wall
Lowry
Teague
Bledsoe/Dragic (not sure who is actually the point the majority)
Derrick Rose
Deron Williams

After that names like Collison, Brandon Knight come to mind, but I'd feel gross putting them on the list.

I'd put Conley on that list before I put Teague, Bledsoe/Dragic, Rose or Williams.

Agreed. Mike Conley is way underrated around here.

Not after these two posts 

He doesn't get the credit he deserves, but Teague, Dragic, Rose, and Williams are all flat-out better players (though he may pass DWill this year).  I would consider Teague and Dragic more underrated around here than Conley.

[TheFlex]

I did this before but, just counting this season, guys who are playing better than Rondo (in no particular order):

CP3
Westbrook
Parker
Curry
Lillard
Irving
Wall
Lowry
Teague
Bledsoe/Dragic (not sure who is actually the point the majority)
Derrick Rose
Deron Williams

After that names like Collison, Brandon Knight come to mind, but I'd feel gross putting them on the list.

I'd put Conley on that list before I put Teague, Bledsoe/Dragic, Rose or Williams.

Agreed. Mike Conley is way underrated around here.

Not after these two posts 

He doesn't get the credit he deserves, but Teague, Dragic, Rose, and Williams are all flat-out better players.  I would consider Teague and Dragic more underrated around here than Conley.

It is funny how many people around here feel it is relevant to point out that if not for Rondo's injuries he'd be a top five PG, but couldn't care enough to point out that if not for Rose's injuries he'd be a top two PG.

I think Dragic is rated fairly around here. It's rare for a non-Celtic to be dissected on this forum unless he's a superstar, but when Dragic's name does come up, he's usually regarded fairly.

Teague, on the other hand, appears to be thought of as highly as Brandon Jennings on this forum. I wouldn't rank him much lower than Rondo, if I ranked him lower than Rondo at all.

[D.o.s.]

I did this before but, just counting this season, guys who are playing better than Rondo (in no particular order):

CP3
Westbrook
Parker
Curry
Lillard
Irving
Wall
Lowry
Teague
Bledsoe/Dragic (not sure who is actually the point the majority)
Derrick Rose
Deron Williams

After that names like Collison, Brandon Knight come to mind, but I'd feel gross putting them on the list.

I'd put Conley on that list before I put Teague, Bledsoe/Dragic, Rose or Williams.

Agreed. Mike Conley is way underrated around here.

Not after these two posts 

He doesn't get the credit he deserves, but Teague, Dragic, Rose, and Williams are all flat-out better players (though he may pass DWill this year).  I would consider Teague and Dragic more underrated around here than Conley.

I'd say Conley's been better than Williams for the last two seasons or so, and I think Dragic gets a lot of love, but I'd agree on Teague.

Also, I mean, how long can we talk about the ghost of Derrick Rose? Dude hasn't been the same since his first injury, and that was three years ago. he's young enough to still come back, but I'm getting more doubtful.

[Rosco917]

Four or five years ago I thought he had the potential to be a top five PG in the NBA. I thought his shooting would improve, and yes, I mean free throw shooting included. Rather than improve, he has regressed in those areas, along with his defensive effort.  Right now I consider him lower top ten. Useful, but nothing to build around in a league with so many talented point guards .

I will say this, he's stood up and has taken the brunt of criticism leveled at the Celtics this season. He didn't have to take the blame for the performance of this less than talented basketball team. For that I have to give him kudos.

[mgent]

I did this before but, just counting this season, guys who are playing better than Rondo (in no particular order):

CP3
Westbrook
Parker
Curry
Lillard
Irving
Wall
Lowry
Teague
Bledsoe/Dragic (not sure who is actually the point the majority)
Derrick Rose
Deron Williams

After that names like Collison, Brandon Knight come to mind, but I'd feel gross putting them on the list.

I'd put Conley on that list before I put Teague, Bledsoe/Dragic, Rose or Williams.

Agreed. Mike Conley is way underrated around here.

Vastly underrated everywhere in my eyes. He is a great two way player putting up great numbers for the leagues second best team at the moment. He's at 18, 6 and 3 with a steal per game and he is shooting 45% from the three point line. Also an underrated stat is the fact that he is only Turning the ball over 2.2 times per game. Compare that with the leagues best and starting PGs, that is a solidly stellar number. There are twenty starting PGs turning the ball over more than Conley.

Carter Williams 4.8
Westbrook       4.1
Wall                  4.0
Rondo              3.4
Bledsoe            3.3
Curry                3.3
Knight              3.2
Rose                 3.1
Teague             3.0
Rubio               3.0
Lawson            3.0
Parker              2.7
DWill                2.6
Jackson           2.6
Lillard               2.5
Lin                    2.5
Chalmers          2.5
Collison            2.3
Jennings           2.3
Dragic              2.3

Probably worth including that Memphis has one of the slowest offenses/paces in the league.  Little harder to turn the ball over when you've got to walk the ball up and wait for Gasol/Randolph every possession.

[mgent]

I'd say Conley's been better than Williams for the last two seasons or so.

I guess that's fair for last season, but not the season before when Williams was a 19 and 8 guy while Conley was 15 and 6 with the same efficiency.

In fact, DWill still averages more assists per game than Conley.

[TwinTower14]

Four or five years ago I thought he had the potential to be a top five PG in the NBA. I thought his shooting would improve, and yes, I mean free throw shooting included. Rather than improve, he has regressed in those areas, along with his defensive effort.  Right now I consider him lower top ten. Useful, but nothing to build around in a league with so many talented point guards .

I will say this, he's stood up and has taken the brunt of criticism leveled at the Celtics this season. He didn't have to take the blame for the performance of this less than talented basketball team. For that I have to give him kudos.

You're nicer than me, Rondo is not anywhere near the top 10 PG's in the league.  Top PG's as of Today IMO....

1 - CP3
2- Steph Curry
3- Wall
4 - Westbrook
5- Parker
6 - Lillard
7 - Lowry
8 - Rose
9 - Lawson
10- Conley
11 - Teague
12- Holliday
13 - Bledsoe
14 - Goran Dragic

You can make a strong case that all fourteen of those guys are having a better season than Rondo and have more upside.  DA missed the boat on moving him, Rondo has really regressed as a player since his injury....

[D.o.s.]

I'd say Conley's been better than Williams for the last two seasons or so.

I guess that's fair for last season, but not the season before when Williams was a 19 and 8 guy while Conley was 15 and 6 with the same efficiency.

In fact, DWill still averages more assists per game than Conley.

That's true, but it's also a little more indicative of the Grizzlies offense, which doesn't create nearly as many assist opportunities than the Nets system did for Williams (particularly two years ago). You alluded to as much when you talked about how Randolph and Gasol are central to the Grizzlies offense.

[oldtype]

Scary how many good PGs there are in the league.

I can't argue that Rondo is any better than 15th in his position. That means Rajon Rondo is a league average starting PG in the NBA right now. Wow.

[Roy H.]

I'm not sure that it's possible to intrinsically rank the PGs.  For instance, with Rondo I think it depends almost completely on what personnel he has surrounding him.  For teams that need a ball-dominant point guard, I think Rondo can rank as high as 4th or 5th in the NBA.  For teams that have other ball-handlers and who need shooting / scoring from the PG position, Rondo ranks much lower, maybe between 10th - 15th, or even lower.

[pearljammer10]

I'm not sure that it's possible to intrinsically rank the PGs.  For instance, with Rondo I think it depends almost completely on what personnel he has surrounding him.  For teams that need a ball-dominant point guard, I think Rondo can rank as high as 4th or 5th in the NBA.  For teams that have other ball-handlers and who need shooting / scoring from the PG position, Rondo ranks much lower, maybe between 10th - 15th, or even lower.

100% agree with everything going on here.

[oldtype]

I'm not sure that it's possible to intrinsically rank the PGs.  For instance, with Rondo I think it depends almost completely on what personnel he has surrounding him.  For teams that need a ball-dominant point guard, I think Rondo can rank as high as 4th or 5th in the NBA.  For teams that have other ball-handlers and who need shooting / scoring from the PG position, Rondo ranks much lower, maybe between 10th - 15th, or even lower.

100% agree with everything going on here.

Everything is contextual of course. When people are doing these rankings I think we're just all making abstract assumptions based on an "average" team.

I agree that if you build a team around him Rondo is arguably top 5. If you "need shooting / scoring from the PG position" though, he's probably close to rock bottom.

[CoachBo]

Rondo looks worse post-ACl, but he is still a solid player who could help us become a contender if surrounded by the right pieces. So where does he rank amongst NBA pgs?

Top Tier

Westbrook, Paul and Curry- all definitely better than Rondo

Allstar Tier

Wall, Lillard, Irving, Lowry, Conley, Parker, Dragic, Rose and Rondo.

I would probably rank Rondo toward the second half of the all-star group. Somewhere in the 8-12 range.    IMO, he is a good player in the 60-75th percentile range but not good enough to build a team around. Where does everyone else think he ranks?

Currently. Not considering reputation, past achievements etc.

Top Tier

Westbrook, Paul, Parker and Curry- no question are better than Rondo

Allstar Tier

Wall, Lillard, Irving, Lowry, Conley,Dragic, Bledsoe - Better than Rondo.  Most gms will take one of these players than Rondo

Third tier

Rondo, Rose, Teague, Lawson, Rubio, Deron Williams,  Kemba Walker

Pretty good list. Rondo isn't approaching all-star caliber performance at this point.

[TheFlex]

I'm not sure that it's possible to intrinsically rank the PGs.  For instance, with Rondo I think it depends almost completely on what personnel he has surrounding him.  For teams that need a ball-dominant point guard, I think Rondo can rank as high as 4th or 5th in the NBA.  For teams that have other ball-handlers and who need shooting / scoring from the PG position, Rondo ranks much lower, maybe between 10th - 15th, or even lower.

100% agree with everything going on here.

I agree Rondo could be dynamite for a few clubs, but it's not as easy as meeting somewhere in the middle and ranking him 10th. There's more teams that need a scoring PG with average facilitating skills vs. a facilitating PG with average scoring skills, especially in today's NBA where it's ideal to have 3-4 shooters on the court at all times and space the floor as much as possible. I'd still rank Rondo 12-15th, despite me being in full agreement that he could be as impactful as the fourth best PG in the league on a team like, say, Miami.