Lance stephenson could go back to indy?

[chambers]

including a 1st rounder to "unload" Lance.  Man...

The Hornets are the most fascinating team in the league to me right now.  They have so many prospects that I think are far better than they look there.  I'm really interested to see what happens if they start moving those guys or hire a competent coach.  I'm really convinced that MKG and BIyombo are significantly better than they currently appear... and Lance Stephenson going from averaging 14 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists on 49%/35%/71% shooting... to this season averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assits on 39%/17%/65% shooting... Suggests he's a player with all the talent to succeed with the right system/coach guiding him.  The Hornets clearly aren't that.   

If some team steals Stephenson and gets a 1st rounder out of it in the process... my god... that will just make that team look even more ridiculous.  I know Stephenson is a bit of a headcase, but he's a talent.  I'd absolutely buy low on him. 

It's a shame we can't trade Avery Bradley until Jan 15th.  I'd totally offer them Bradley for Stephenson.  Stephenson has legit SG size (6'5 230).  Playing with Rondo instead of KEmba Walker would be a big boost for him.  And I'd rather gamble on Lance for 2 years than be stuck with Bradley's mediocrity for 4 years.

I think you're underselling Bradley a bit. Over the course of his career it's hard to make the case that Stephenson has been the better player. Bradley is also making a million less.

I agree with you about MKG. He's a legit stud. Not sure he's the right for our team but if they choose to sell him some team will make out like a bandit.

I disagree about Bradley.  Nice undersized back-up.  He shouldnt' be a starting SG in this league.   Hard to really make the case that Bradley's career has been better, honestly.  Stephenson has been better in nearly every way unless you're counting Bradley's overrated defense.

How quickly we forget Bradley's season-altering 2011-12 performance. Stephenson had an impressive season last year and an intriguing one the year before that. He's stunk it up this season and was more of a prospect than a player before last season. Overall Bradley has had a better career and is not any older than Lance is.

Lance has still had the better numbers at his best in Indiana vs Avery's best in Boston. Lance has better size, has the ability to create his own shot, and has up until this stinker of a season, improved dramatically every season he's been in the NBA.
Avery Bradley has peaked out. He is what he is and he ain't getting better. Lance has had a bad first 20 games but his past is worth taking that gamble.

He simply needs structure and discipline- something that the Hornets obviously can't give him.
Brad Stevens on the other hand....

[TheFlex]

including a 1st rounder to "unload" Lance.  Man...

The Hornets are the most fascinating team in the league to me right now.  They have so many prospects that I think are far better than they look there.  I'm really interested to see what happens if they start moving those guys or hire a competent coach.  I'm really convinced that MKG and BIyombo are significantly better than they currently appear... and Lance Stephenson going from averaging 14 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists on 49%/35%/71% shooting... to this season averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assits on 39%/17%/65% shooting... Suggests he's a player with all the talent to succeed with the right system/coach guiding him.  The Hornets clearly aren't that.   

If some team steals Stephenson and gets a 1st rounder out of it in the process... my god... that will just make that team look even more ridiculous.  I know Stephenson is a bit of a headcase, but he's a talent.  I'd absolutely buy low on him. 

It's a shame we can't trade Avery Bradley until Jan 15th.  I'd totally offer them Bradley for Stephenson.  Stephenson has legit SG size (6'5 230).  Playing with Rondo instead of KEmba Walker would be a big boost for him.  And I'd rather gamble on Lance for 2 years than be stuck with Bradley's mediocrity for 4 years.

I think you're underselling Bradley a bit. Over the course of his career it's hard to make the case that Stephenson has been the better player. Bradley is also making a million less.

I agree with you about MKG. He's a legit stud. Not sure he's the right for our team but if they choose to sell him some team will make out like a bandit.

I disagree about Bradley.  Nice undersized back-up.  He shouldnt' be a starting SG in this league.   Hard to really make the case that Bradley's career has been better, honestly.  Stephenson has been better in nearly every way unless you're counting Bradley's overrated defense.

How quickly we forget Bradley's season-altering 2011-12 performance. Stephenson had an impressive season last year and an intriguing one the year before that. He's stunk it up this season and was more of a prospect than a player before last season. Overall Bradley has had a better career and is not any older than Lance is.

Lance has still had the better numbers at his best in Indiana vs Avery's best in Boston. Lance has better size, has the ability to create his own shot, and has up until this stinker of a season, improved dramatically every season he's been in the NBA.
Avery Bradley has peaked out. He is what he is and he ain't getting better. Lance has had a bad first 20 games but his past is worth taking that gamble.

He simply needs structure and discipline- something that the Hornets obviously can't give him.
Brad Stevens on the other hand....

I'd rather take what we know we can get for a million per year less than gamble on someone whose highs can be intoxicating and whose lows can be infuriating.

If it's true that the Hornets are considering adding a pick to unload Stephenson, there's no reason to offer AB even if you think Stephenson is better. Thornton for Stephenson and two seconds is as high as I'd be willing to go.

[Rondo9]

including a 1st rounder to "unload" Lance.  Man...

The Hornets are the most fascinating team in the league to me right now.  They have so many prospects that I think are far better than they look there.  I'm really interested to see what happens if they start moving those guys or hire a competent coach.  I'm really convinced that MKG and BIyombo are significantly better than they currently appear... and Lance Stephenson going from averaging 14 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists on 49%/35%/71% shooting... to this season averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assits on 39%/17%/65% shooting... Suggests he's a player with all the talent to succeed with the right system/coach guiding him.  The Hornets clearly aren't that.   

If some team steals Stephenson and gets a 1st rounder out of it in the process... my god... that will just make that team look even more ridiculous.  I know Stephenson is a bit of a headcase, but he's a talent.  I'd absolutely buy low on him. 

It's a shame we can't trade Avery Bradley until Jan 15th.  I'd totally offer them Bradley for Stephenson.  Stephenson has legit SG size (6'5 230).  Playing with Rondo instead of KEmba Walker would be a big boost for him.  And I'd rather gamble on Lance for 2 years than be stuck with Bradley's mediocrity for 4 years.

I think you're underselling Bradley a bit. Over the course of his career it's hard to make the case that Stephenson has been the better player. Bradley is also making a million less.

I agree with you about MKG. He's a legit stud. Not sure he's the right for our team but if they choose to sell him some team will make out like a bandit.

I disagree about Bradley.  Nice undersized back-up.  He shouldnt' be a starting SG in this league.   Hard to really make the case that Bradley's career has been better, honestly.  Stephenson has been better in nearly every way unless you're counting Bradley's overrated defense.

How quickly we forget Bradley's season-altering 2011-12 performance. Stephenson had an impressive season last year and an intriguing one the year before that. He's stunk it up this season and was more of a prospect than a player before last season. Overall Bradley has had a better career and is not any older than Lance is.

Lance has still had the better numbers at his best in Indiana vs Avery's best in Boston. Lance has better size, has the ability to create his own shot, and has up until this stinker of a season, improved dramatically every season he's been in the NBA.
Avery Bradley has peaked out. He is what he is and he ain't getting better. Lance has had a bad first 20 games but his past is worth taking that gamble.

He simply needs structure and discipline- something that the Hornets obviously can't give him.
Brad Stevens on the other hand....

I wouldn't give up on a 24 year old Bradley so easily.

[Beat LA]

hornets: Copeland, CJ Miles
Pacers: Stephenson, 2nd round pick

Something like this.

I don't think Bird would trade Miles - not when he signed him to a 4 year deal to be that swingman off the bench.  I do think he'll give up Copeland rather easily, though, and Scola, who proved to be a major disappointment.  He could be a great reserve for the Hornets, however, and he's an expiring.  The problem here is who would Charlotte play next to Kemba in the backcourt, given that Gerald Henderson does not appear to figure in their long term plans, so I'd throw in Stuckey, as well, and the salaries are just 100k apart, so it works.  Go get him, Larry!  

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pqm9j5s

[Beat LA]

He was the steal of the 2nd round in recent years, a steal on the FA market, and now available to be stolen in a trade. The Curious Case of Lance Stephenson.

Edit: And Parsons ( probably bigger 2nd round steal), I guess.

I just find it amusing that the same people who didn't want anything to do with Lance, in no small part because they believed Bradley to be the better player , are now heading over to the trade machine to figure out some completely one sided transaction that would end up in him coming here.  The bottom line here is that we should have taken Stephenson over Bradley in 2010.  At the time it was a no-brainer to me.  A 6'5" 230 lb. pg/sg/sf who's a great passer, loves the big moments, and can create his own offense off the dribble?  Sigh.  He would have been an outstanding 6th man for us on both ends, imo, but then again, Doc would have never let him play, so...Sigh.  Take him and Samardo Samuels instead of Bradley and Harangody, and I think that we would have been unquestionably better, and deeper, but we'll never know, now, will we?  Sigh.  Thanks Danny, you moron, lol !  Ugh

[chambers]

including a 1st rounder to "unload" Lance.  Man...

The Hornets are the most fascinating team in the league to me right now.  They have so many prospects that I think are far better than they look there.  I'm really interested to see what happens if they start moving those guys or hire a competent coach.  I'm really convinced that MKG and BIyombo are significantly better than they currently appear... and Lance Stephenson going from averaging 14 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists on 49%/35%/71% shooting... to this season averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assits on 39%/17%/65% shooting... Suggests he's a player with all the talent to succeed with the right system/coach guiding him.  The Hornets clearly aren't that.   

If some team steals Stephenson and gets a 1st rounder out of it in the process... my god... that will just make that team look even more ridiculous.  I know Stephenson is a bit of a headcase, but he's a talent.  I'd absolutely buy low on him. 

It's a shame we can't trade Avery Bradley until Jan 15th.  I'd totally offer them Bradley for Stephenson.  Stephenson has legit SG size (6'5 230).  Playing with Rondo instead of KEmba Walker would be a big boost for him.  And I'd rather gamble on Lance for 2 years than be stuck with Bradley's mediocrity for 4 years.

I think you're underselling Bradley a bit. Over the course of his career it's hard to make the case that Stephenson has been the better player. Bradley is also making a million less.

I agree with you about MKG. He's a legit stud. Not sure he's the right for our team but if they choose to sell him some team will make out like a bandit.

I disagree about Bradley.  Nice undersized back-up.  He shouldnt' be a starting SG in this league.   Hard to really make the case that Bradley's career has been better, honestly.  Stephenson has been better in nearly every way unless you're counting Bradley's overrated defense.

How quickly we forget Bradley's season-altering 2011-12 performance. Stephenson had an impressive season last year and an intriguing one the year before that. He's stunk it up this season and was more of a prospect than a player before last season. Overall Bradley has had a better career and is not any older than Lance is.

Lance has still had the better numbers at his best in Indiana vs Avery's best in Boston. Lance has better size, has the ability to create his own shot, and has up until this stinker of a season, improved dramatically every season he's been in the NBA.
Avery Bradley has peaked out. He is what he is and he ain't getting better. Lance has had a bad first 20 games but his past is worth taking that gamble.

He simply needs structure and discipline- something that the Hornets obviously can't give him.
Brad Stevens on the other hand....

I'd rather take what we know we can get for a million per year less than gamble on someone whose highs can be intoxicating and whose lows can be infuriating.

If it's true that the Hornets are considering adding a pick to unload Stephenson, there's no reason to offer AB even if you think Stephenson is better. Thornton for Stephenson and two seconds is as high as I'd be willing to go.

That's fine, we just share a difference of opinion- I can see why some people would rather hang on to the silver in our hand rather than go for the 'Diamond or Bust' roll of the dice that Lance is. I just think in an era of collecting assets for value, Lance Stephenson locked in for 2 years, producing the stats he was producing in Indiana for only 9 million would be one of the best contracts in the NBA.
He'd also be a far better version of Jeff Green at the Shooting guard- ie our 3rd/4th option on a contender...
He didn't just stop knowing how to play basketball in 4 months.
Our system and locker room would just be perfect for him.

I do understand that he may be Jason Terry Celtics 2.0 ..... a big fail.

I think the minimum we'd need to give up would be Turner+Bass+2nd rounder.
More likely Avery Bradley+2nd rounder.

[LooseCannon]

This team is poorly configured.  Having one starting wing who can't hit a three is bad enough.  With Stephenson's longball going into the tank, having two is atrocious.

Last year, I thought Charlotte was a team that over-achieved and was due for regression to the mean.

[Who]

I feel much better about paying Lance Stephenson $9 million a year to be 3rd/4th best player than paying Jeff Green $15 million a year for similar role.

[pearljammer10]

including a 1st rounder to "unload" Lance.  Man...

The Hornets are the most fascinating team in the league to me right now.  They have so many prospects that I think are far better than they look there.  I'm really interested to see what happens if they start moving those guys or hire a competent coach.  I'm really convinced that MKG and BIyombo are significantly better than they currently appear... and Lance Stephenson going from averaging 14 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists on 49%/35%/71% shooting... to this season averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assits on 39%/17%/65% shooting... Suggests he's a player with all the talent to succeed with the right system/coach guiding him.  The Hornets clearly aren't that.   

If some team steals Stephenson and gets a 1st rounder out of it in the process... my god... that will just make that team look even more ridiculous.  I know Stephenson is a bit of a headcase, but he's a talent.  I'd absolutely buy low on him. 

It's a shame we can't trade Avery Bradley until Jan 15th.  I'd totally offer them Bradley for Stephenson.  Stephenson has legit SG size (6'5 230).  Playing with Rondo instead of KEmba Walker would be a big boost for him.  And I'd rather gamble on Lance for 2 years than be stuck with Bradley's mediocrity for 4 years.

I think you're underselling Bradley a bit. Over the course of his career it's hard to make the case that Stephenson has been the better player. Bradley is also making a million less.

I agree with you about MKG. He's a legit stud. Not sure he's the right for our team but if they choose to sell him some team will make out like a bandit.

I disagree about Bradley.  Nice undersized back-up.  He shouldnt' be a starting SG in this league.   Hard to really make the case that Bradley's career has been better, honestly.  Stephenson has been better in nearly every way unless you're counting Bradley's overrated defense.

How quickly we forget Bradley's season-altering 2011-12 performance. Stephenson had an impressive season last year and an intriguing one the year before that. He's stunk it up this season and was more of a prospect than a player before last season. Overall Bradley has had a better career and is not any older than Lance is.

Lance has still had the better numbers at his best in Indiana vs Avery's best in Boston. Lance has better size, has the ability to create his own shot, and has up until this stinker of a season, improved dramatically every season he's been in the NBA.
Avery Bradley has peaked out. He is what he is and he ain't getting better. Lance has had a bad first 20 games but his past is worth taking that gamble.

He simply needs structure and discipline- something that the Hornets obviously can't give him.
Brad Stevens on the other hand....

I'd rather take what we know we can get for a million per year less than gamble on someone whose highs can be intoxicating and whose lows can be infuriating.

If it's true that the Hornets are considering adding a pick to unload Stephenson, there's no reason to offer AB even if you think Stephenson is better. Thornton for Stephenson and two seconds is as high as I'd be willing to go.

Season altering performance? The string of 14 good games he's had in his 4 year career counts as season altering? He averaged 7.6 points a game, 2 rebounds, 1 assist and .7 steals that year. That's not entirely season altering on the performance scale.

If it's true that the Hornets are offering a pick to unload Stephenson why would you not offer Bradley for LS and that pick? I would trade AB for LS straight up despite him being a knucklehead and having a down year. I'd also trade AB for a first round pick straight up if a team could make that happen salary wise. Getting a first AND Stephenson for him is beyond a no brainer.

[LooseCannon]

If it's true that the Hornets are offering a pick to unload Stephenson why would you not offer Bradley for LS and that pick? I would trade AB for LS straight up despite him being a knucklehead and having a down year. I'd also trade AB for a first round pick straight up if a team could make that happen salary wise. Getting a first AND Stephenson for him is beyond a no brainer.

It's not being reported that the Hornets are offering a pick.  It's being reported that Lance Stephenson is viewed as so toxic that other teams are asking for a pick as compensation for taking on his contract.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Id rather do a 3 team trade where we get rid of Bradley and Lance goes to a third team and we get back assets and expirings.

My reason....James Young. I am not wavering on this although I respect others dif views on it.

James was the 3rd youngest kid drafted and is a quick learner. I suspect that he will gain muscle speed and a higher vertical. Remember he has the same ooficial length as Wiggins' unofficial.

[hpantazo]

I'm all for trading Bradley for Lance. As LB33 said, Bradley is a good but under sized bench player, not a starting caliber SG. One thing though, we cannot have Stephenson and Turner on the same roster, that's a proven recipe for team chemistry disaster from their time in Indiana.

[Tr1boy]

Rumor has it, its unlikely the Pacers will bring back Stephenson after he left.   The Nets though are a team that have assets the Hornets like that can make a trade happen.

Joe Johnson for Lance and fillers could be a possibility imo

[TheFlex]

including a 1st rounder to "unload" Lance.  Man...

The Hornets are the most fascinating team in the league to me right now.  They have so many prospects that I think are far better than they look there.  I'm really interested to see what happens if they start moving those guys or hire a competent coach.  I'm really convinced that MKG and BIyombo are significantly better than they currently appear... and Lance Stephenson going from averaging 14 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists on 49%/35%/71% shooting... to this season averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assits on 39%/17%/65% shooting... Suggests he's a player with all the talent to succeed with the right system/coach guiding him.  The Hornets clearly aren't that.   

If some team steals Stephenson and gets a 1st rounder out of it in the process... my god... that will just make that team look even more ridiculous.  I know Stephenson is a bit of a headcase, but he's a talent.  I'd absolutely buy low on him. 

It's a shame we can't trade Avery Bradley until Jan 15th.  I'd totally offer them Bradley for Stephenson.  Stephenson has legit SG size (6'5 230).  Playing with Rondo instead of KEmba Walker would be a big boost for him.  And I'd rather gamble on Lance for 2 years than be stuck with Bradley's mediocrity for 4 years.

I think you're underselling Bradley a bit. Over the course of his career it's hard to make the case that Stephenson has been the better player. Bradley is also making a million less.

I agree with you about MKG. He's a legit stud. Not sure he's the right for our team but if they choose to sell him some team will make out like a bandit.

I disagree about Bradley.  Nice undersized back-up.  He shouldnt' be a starting SG in this league.   Hard to really make the case that Bradley's career has been better, honestly.  Stephenson has been better in nearly every way unless you're counting Bradley's overrated defense.

How quickly we forget Bradley's season-altering 2011-12 performance. Stephenson had an impressive season last year and an intriguing one the year before that. He's stunk it up this season and was more of a prospect than a player before last season. Overall Bradley has had a better career and is not any older than Lance is.

Lance has still had the better numbers at his best in Indiana vs Avery's best in Boston. Lance has better size, has the ability to create his own shot, and has up until this stinker of a season, improved dramatically every season he's been in the NBA.
Avery Bradley has peaked out. He is what he is and he ain't getting better. Lance has had a bad first 20 games but his past is worth taking that gamble.

He simply needs structure and discipline- something that the Hornets obviously can't give him.
Brad Stevens on the other hand....

I'd rather take what we know we can get for a million per year less than gamble on someone whose highs can be intoxicating and whose lows can be infuriating.

If it's true that the Hornets are considering adding a pick to unload Stephenson, there's no reason to offer AB even if you think Stephenson is better. Thornton for Stephenson and two seconds is as high as I'd be willing to go.

Season altering performance? The string of 14 good games he's had in his 4 year career counts as season altering? He averaged 7.6 points a game, 2 rebounds, 1 assist and .7 steals that year. That's not entirely season altering on the performance scale.

If it's true that the Hornets are offering a pick to unload Stephenson why would you not offer Bradley for LS and that pick? I would trade AB for LS straight up despite him being a knucklehead and having a down year. I'd also trade AB for a first round pick straight up if a team could make that happen salary wise. Getting a first AND Stephenson for him is beyond a no brainer.

Perhaps KG's inevitable transition to center was the true defensive spark that lit that team on fire during the last quarter of the season, but it's hard to ignore the team's turnaround in '11-12 coinciding with Bradley's insertion as the starting SG. The Cs began to put up historical defensive numbers with him on the floor.

I'm with you that Lance has a higher ceiling, but he also has a lower floor. He's also not as perfect a fit in our system as some make him out to be -- Bradley is the far superior shooter, and that's a skill we lack in almost all of our best five-man units.

All of the comparisons between Lance and AB are irrelevant anyway. Again, if all it would take is Thornton for Stephenson straight up, why would you offer Bradley instead?

[pearljammer10]

Rumor has it, its unlikely the Pacers will bring back Stephenson after he left.   The Nets though are a team that have assets the Hornets like that can make a trade happen.

Joe Johnson for Lance and fillers could be a possibility imo

I could see Lance pushing the Nets angle if he is indeed on the move. The only thing is to bring back Johnson that's a lot of salary for the Hornets to give up. A trade of Lance, Henderson, and Zeller for Johnson would work in the trade machine. However, that's a good amount of mediocre/potential talent for Charlotte to give up.

It might be work it for both sides though. Nets shed Johnson's salary and fill it with Stephenson at cheaper money, Henderson with a player option, and Zeller as a possible Lopez replacement. Hornets get another scorer to pair with Jefferson and Walker. That's a pretty nice offensive trio.