Is Rondo more of a role player?

[Celtics4ever]

He needs scorers to be the best he can be, he can do everything on the court to make the team better but score. Unfortunately we desperately need a scorer, all you have to do is go back to the second Wizards game when Smart scored from the PG spot it changes the entire team/game.

+1 TP, I agree.  It depends what you surround him with, with Shooters and Scorers his value is raises because he is such a good passer but with duds, he looks worse and his shooting woes are magnified.   

I do not think he is an alpha dog franchise player or a max player.   Still, he has the potential to take over games when he has one of his triple double X factor games.  I would not call him a role player either.  I would call him a star but not an elite one.

[mgent]

I mean, yeah, if you consider rebounding and running a team "roles."  By the same logic you could consider Ben Wallace a role player, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a pivotal part of their championship (and an All-Star).  No, Rondo, probably can't be the best player on a championship team, but I don't see anybody ever claiming that.  If he had 3-4 other players on the same tier as him like Big Ben had, I don't think he'd have trouble winning a title whatsoever.

[puskas54_10]

He's a very very good role player. For me you can't be a star when you are totally fine with scoring 2-4 points a game. Rondo is cocky, while he can't back it up. My favourite is when he says he can take it to to hole anytime against anybody, then Mr. unguardable score 2 points, while not attempting a free throw. I don't like players who not bringing it all the time. He's the perfect example. I couldn't care less about his triple doubles also. Give me 30-35 points and clutch buckets/free throws over a triple double. Triple double is not win you game, when you can't score in the 4th Q. He's a good player but he is not that good. Jeff Green (the much maligned Jeff Green) is the player that should be the focal point of the offense. He is pretty good this year, he will get 15M/year in FA next summer.

[action781]

Rondo is an all-star caliber role player. Meaning his game is complementary and he cant be the focal point of a winning team. He isn't in bad company in this distinction. Joakim Noah is the same type of player just at a different position. They are both very very good at a lot of facets of the game but lack the skill set to truly dominate as a alpha player on a team. In his prime KG was clearly a super star but he was even more a super star role player in his playing style. Others that I feel held this distinction of all-star role players in recent memory would be Shawn Marion, Ben Wallace, and Rodman.

I agree with this.  As I was reading the thread, Ben Wallace's name was the one that came to my mind and I proceeded to see two people make that comparison.  I like your Joakim Noah comparison even better.  They both do "a little of everything" but aren't dependable enough as scorers to be the star of the team.  I'd probably rank Noah a bit higher than Rondo though because of what he was able to do with Chicago without Rose there and because he plays a position that is more difficult to find a quality replacement at.

[puskas54_10]

I mean, yeah, if you consider rebounding and running a team "roles."  By the same logic you could consider Ben Wallace a role player, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a pivotal part of their championship (and an All-Star).  No, Rondo, probably can't be the best player on a championship team, but I don't see anybody ever claiming that.  If he had 3-4 other players on the same tier as him like Big Ben had, I don't think he'd have trouble winning a title whatsoever.

A team with Rondo and Ben Wallace as star players would never ever win a championship.

[cb8883]

Rondo is in the 45-50 range in the league.  So not a star in my eyes.

I've been bashed on here a long time for being the only one on the board to see the truth. Thrilled to see others coming over to my side of the fence. He lost all of his perceived value once the stars around him declined.

[mgent]

I mean, yeah, if you consider rebounding and running a team "roles."  By the same logic you could consider Ben Wallace a role player, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a pivotal part of their championship (and an All-Star).  No, Rondo, probably can't be the best player on a championship team, but I don't see anybody ever claiming that.  If he had 3-4 other players on the same tier as him like Big Ben had, I don't think he'd have trouble winning a title whatsoever.

A team with Rondo and Ben Wallace as star players would never ever win a championship.

What does that have to do with what I said?

[GreenFaith1819]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHFwwwle-qw

Rajon Rondo is an All-Star and future 1st ballot HOFer.

Let BOS continue to develop talent around him and perhaps get him some bonafide stars here the next few years.

[Tr1boy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHFwwwle-qw

Rajon Rondo is an All-Star and future 1st ballot HOFer.

Let BOS continue to develop talent around him and perhaps get him some bonafide stars here the next few years.

what? Lol

[GreenFaith1819]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHFwwwle-qw

Rajon Rondo is an All-Star and future 1st ballot HOFer.

Let BOS continue to develop talent around him and perhaps get him some bonafide stars here the next few years.

what? Lol

triboy I know u despise just about anything Rondo related, so your response here doesn't surprise me one bit.

As funny as you find my post, myself (and others on here, including MODS) have found YOURS to be even funnier and devoid of reason.

[puskas54_10]

I mean, yeah, if you consider rebounding and running a team "roles."  By the same logic you could consider Ben Wallace a role player, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a pivotal part of their championship (and an All-Star).  No, Rondo, probably can't be the best player on a championship team, but I don't see anybody ever claiming that.  If he had 3-4 other players on the same tier as him like Big Ben had, I don't think he'd have trouble winning a title whatsoever.

A team with Rondo and Ben Wallace as star players would never ever win a championship.

What does that have to do with what I said?

I misunderstood what you wrote. After a second reading, I don't think Rondo would win anything if had same tier players with him. It needs to be above his level a notch.

[Eddie20]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHFwwwle-qw

Rajon Rondo is an All-Star and future 1st ballot HOFer.

Let BOS continue to develop talent around him and perhaps get him some bonafide stars here the next few years.

what? Lol

triboy I know u despise just about anything Rondo related, so your response here doesn't surprise me one bit.

As funny as you find my post, myself (and others on here, including MODS) have found YOURS to be even funnier and devoid of reason.

It's ridiculous that you think Rondo is a 1st ballot HOF. Dominique, Worthy and Dumars weren't even 1st ballot guys. Here are the only players that have received that honor from 1980 to present:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar   
Charles Barkley   
Larry Bird   
Bill Bradley   
Clyde Drexler   
Alex English   
Julius Erving   
Patrick Ewing   
Elvin Hayes   
Magic Johnson   
Michael Jordan   
Jerry Lucas   
Karl Malone   
Moses Malone   
Kevin McHale   
Hakeem Olajuwon   
Robert Parish   
Scottie Pippen   
Oscar Robertson   
David Robinson   
John Stockton   
Isiah Thomas   
Bill Walton   
Jerry West

[Tr1boy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHFwwwle-qw

Rajon Rondo is an All-Star and future 1st ballot HOFer.

Let BOS continue to develop talent around him and perhaps get him some bonafide stars here the next few years.

what? Lol

triboy I know u despise just about anything Rondo related, so your response here doesn't surprise me one bit.

As funny as you find my post, myself (and others on here, including MODS) have found YOURS to be even funnier and devoid of reason.

come on man, be a little realistic at least

Right now Rondo is not making the all star team. He is not a 1st, 2nd or any ballot hofer.

[Celtics18]

If Rondo's career ended today, I doubt he'd make the hall of fame.  I don't think anyone is claiming that he would.

However, if the second half of his career ends up being on par with the first half, he will have a very legitimate shot at becoming one. 

[Vermont Green]

Funny how the pendulum swings. I have felt Rondo was over rated for some time. Now it is swinging the other way perhaps. The lack of any scoring lately has been puzzling. He had his best game a few ago and there were a series discussions about that but he was still 6-17 in that game.

Rondo has been playing like a role player for a few games but I am not quite ready to declare him role player. It is hurting his HOF first ballot chances though.

As for the Rodman and Wallace comparisons, I have referenced Wallace many times and generally received severe criticism from the legion of Rondo advocates.