Name 10 PGs better than Rondo

[mgent]

Guys in the debate:

1.  Chris Paul
2.  Steph Curry
3.  Kyrie Irving
4.  John Wall
5.  Derrick Rose
6.  Damian Lillard
7.  Tony Parker
8.  Kyle Lowry
9.  Ty Lawson
10. Jeff Teague
11. Mike Conley
12.  Jrue Holiday

I feel like I'm probably missing a pretty good player or two, but off the top of my head those are the top-12 PGs in the league outside of Rondo (not necessarily in order).

Where you slot Rondo depends on what you need for your team, I think.  I could see him as high as top-5, or as low as 9th or 10th.

EDIT:  I forgot Russell Westbrook, and maybe Deron, Rubio or MCW should have been mentioned, as well.

Yeah I would add Westbrook and Williams for sure, plus I wouldn't feel right about leaving Dragic off because he's every bit as good as each of your bottom five.

So I guess I'd rank them:

1.  Chris Paul
2.  Steph Curry
3.  Russell Westbrook
4.  Kyrie Irving
5.  John Wall
6.  Rajon Rondo
7.  Tony Parker
8.  Derrick Rose
9.  Damian Lillard
10.  Deron Williams
11.  Goran Dragic
12.  Ty Lawson

In discussion:  Jeff Teague, Mike Conley, Kyle Lowry

Holiday's not a top PG in my opinion.

[greece66]

Tier 1 - Curry, Parker, Westbrook, Paul

Tier 2 - Wall, Rose, Lillard, Irving, Lowry

Tier 3 - Conley, Teague, Lawson, Dragic, Williams

I would slot Rondo in the 3rd Tier atm especially because of his horrible FT%
However I could see Rondo easily climb to the 2nd Tier and PlayOff Rondo is def. Tier1

And we return to a time honoured habit of this blog  . Quotes in nice black and white huge letters. That's an interesting case you are making, but I am even more interested in your arguments.

[D.o.s.]

Also, I mean, this question really hinges on whether or not Rondo can stop being the worst shooting point guard of all time (in a single season).

[greece66]

Also, I mean, this question really hinges on whether or not Rondo can stop being the worst shooting point guard of all time (in a single season).

I think you mean Pressey 

[Hawkeye199]

Russel westbrook
chris paul
Stephan curry
John wall
Kyrie irving
Mike conely
kyle lowrey
Isaiah thomas
eric bledsoe
Jeff teague
Michael carter-wlliams
Damien lillard
 Thats 12

[D Dub]

The thing with Rondo is that, despite the gawdy stats, he likely won't ever be the best player on a contender.    2nd fiddle-- sure; maybe the best sidekick in the league.   But, to me, that puts pg's ahead of him who CAN be the best player on a contender.

Curry
Westbrook
Parker
Paul
Rose
Lillard
Wall
Lowry
Irving
Smart

[greece66]

The thing with Rondo is that, despite the gawdy stats, he likely won't ever be the best player on a contender.    2nd fiddle-- sure; maybe the best sidekick in the league.   But, to me, that puts pg's ahead of him who CAN be the best player on a contender.

Curry
Westbrook
Parker
Paul
Rose
Lillard
Wall
Lowry
Irving
Smart

Marcus?

[D Dub]

The thing with Rondo is that, despite the gawdy stats, he likely won't ever be the best player on a contender.    2nd fiddle-- sure; maybe the best sidekick in the league.   But, to me, that puts pg's ahead of him who CAN be the best player on a contender.

Curry
Westbrook
Parker
Paul
Rose
Lillard
Wall
Lowry
Irving
Smart

Marcus?

Yes, once the minutes come I think he'll be the best player on a winning team.   Has that 'it' factor not unlike Damien Lillard who just finds ways to win.

[greece66]

The thing with Rondo is that, despite the gawdy stats, he likely won't ever be the best player on a contender.    2nd fiddle-- sure; maybe the best sidekick in the league.   But, to me, that puts pg's ahead of him who CAN be the best player on a contender.

Curry
Westbrook
Parker
Paul
Rose
Lillard
Wall
Lowry
Irving
Smart

Marcus?

Also, you are sort of moving the goalposts by changing the main topic of the conversation. A top PG might not necessarily be the best player in his team. Parker arguably was not more valuable to his team than Duncan (or last year Leonard) but still he is an elite PG. These are two entirely different questions.

[D Dub]

Also, you are sort of moving the goalposts by changing the main topic of the conversation. A top PG might not necessarily be the best player in his team. Parker arguably was not more valuable to his team than Duncan (or last year Leonard) but still he is an elite PG. These are two entirely different questions.

Fair, but I think there is some room for subjectivity.   It's not a ranking by statistics; and in my view being a 'better' pg means you lead your team to more wins.   That's why I don't include guys like Rubio, Dragic and Carter-Williams.    Nice stats, can't figure out how to win.   
Also, fwiw, Tony Parker does have a Finals MVP to go with one of those five rings.

[TheFlex]

In no order, I have CP3, Rose, Westbrook, Wall, Irving, Curry, Lillard, Tony Parker and Bledsoe if you consider him a point guard. Rondo is in the company of Conley, Lowry, Teague, etc. I'd probably put Rondo right at 10, actually.

[fairweatherfan]

Also, you are sort of moving the goalposts by changing the main topic of the conversation. A top PG might not necessarily be the best player in his team. Parker arguably was not more valuable to his team than Duncan (or last year Leonard) but still he is an elite PG. These are two entirely different questions.

Fair, but I think there is some room for subjectivity.   It's not a ranking by statistics; and in my view being a 'better' pg means you lead your team to more wins.   That's why I don't include guys like Rubio, Dragic and Carter-Williams.    Nice stats, can't figure out how to win.   
Also, fwiw, Tony Parker does have a Finals MVP to go with one of those five rings.

Dragic led the Suns to 48 wins last year.  That's the same as Lowry and more than Kyrie has ever won. 

[CFAN38]

I personally look at players in tiers rather then rankings. Players are so effected by their teammates and systems that its hard to really place a number on them fairly. The following is my tier rankings of the 30 starting PGs. Order inside each tier has no meaning.

Tier 1 (Super Star no real weakness in game)

Paul

Tier 2 (Super Star minor weakness)

Westbrook (distrabuting/IQ)
Curry          ( D)
Parker        (D)

Tier 3 (Stars with holes in game)

Irving
Wall
Rose
Lillard
Rondo
Lowry

Tier 4 (fridge allstar)

Lawson
Teague
Conley
Holiday
Dragic

Tier 5 (solid starter)

Williams
Walker
Jennings
Rubio

Tier 6 (fringe starter with potential to develop further)

Knight
Payton
Carter-Williams
Beverley
Trey Burke

Tier 7 (fringe starter may be better suited as bench player)

Calderon
Collison
Hill
Chalmers
Nelson/Harris
Lin


I think looking at the NBA in this way really shows the depth of talent at PG. I think Rondo is unique in that he can play up at times into the tier 1/2 range but also tends to spend to much time playing at a tier 5 level.

[Celtics18]

I personally look at players in tiers rather then rankings. Players are so effected by their teammates and systems that its hard to really place a number on them fairly. The following is my tier rankings of the 30 starting PGs. Order inside each tier has no meaning.

Tier 1 (Super Star no real weakness in game)

Paul

Tier 2 (Super Star minor weakness)

Westbrook (distrabuting/IQ)
Curry          ( D)
Parker        (D)

Tier 3 (Stars with holes in game)

Irving
Wall
Rose
Lillard
Rondo
Lowry

Tier 4 (fridge allstar)

Lawson
Teague
Conley
Holiday
Dragic

Tier 5 (solid starter)

Williams
Walker
Jennings
Rubio

Tier 6 (fringe starter with potential to develop further)

Knight
Payton
Carter-Williams
Beverley
Trey Burke

Tier 7 (fringe starter may be better suited as bench player)

Calderon
Collison
Hill
Chalmers
Nelson/Harris
Lin


I think looking at the NBA in this way really shows the depth of talent at PG. I think Rondo is unique in that he can play up at times into the tier 1/2 range but also tends to spend to much time playing at a tier 5 level.

I've always considered myself to be "fridge all-star."  Raymond Felton would take exception to being left off that list. 

[hwangjini_1]

Also, I mean, this question really hinges on whether or not Rondo can stop being the worst shooting point guard of all time (in a single season).

i pressey has him beat on this count.
ooops! just saw the that greek beat me to it.