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Re: how big a lead
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2014, 10:19:13 PM »

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

I know vinnie, it hurts my head too.  you should come back and participate though.  just remember to drink heavily before coming onto the forums. :)

Re: how big a lead
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2014, 10:19:39 PM »

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

We have a higher winning percentage without Rondo than with him over the last FOUR YEARS.

Rondo ranked 29th and 26th in PER for all point guards over the last two years.

what?  you are getting too lazy to do your famous copy/clip/paste move?  cmon man that is your signature go to thing!

People who respond to facts with personal attacks have lost the argument.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.

Re: how big a lead
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2014, 10:21:48 PM »

Offline blink

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

We have a higher winning percentage without Rondo than with him over the last FOUR YEARS.

Rondo ranked 29th and 26th in PER for all point guards over the last two years.

what?  you are getting too lazy to do your famous copy/clip/paste move?  cmon man that is your signature go to thing!

People who respond to facts with personal attacks have lost the argument.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.

how is the truth a personal attack?  yeah right, it isn't haha.

Re: how big a lead
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2014, 10:21:51 PM »

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

I know vinnie, it hurts my head too.  you should come back and participate though.  just remember to drink heavily before coming onto the forums. :)

Just waiting around tonight for Triboy16 to show up and share his Rondo hate. I also wish he would tell us all again how great Kelly Olynyk is. Honestly, the guy is the worst defensive player I have ever seen. I bet Triboy can find a way to blame Rondo for Olynyk's all-around awfulness too. But they have a plan - build the team around a guy who has played 4 or 5 NBA games. I love it.

Re: how big a lead
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2014, 10:23:41 PM »

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

I know vinnie, it hurts my head too.  you should come back and participate though.  just remember to drink heavily before coming onto the forums. :)

Just waiting around tonight for Triboy16 to show up and share his Rondo hate. I also wish he would tell us all again how great Kelly Olynyk is. Honestly, the guy is the worst defensive player I have ever seen. I bet Triboy can find a way to blame Rondo for Olynyk's all-around awfulness too. But they have a plan - build the team around a guy who has played 4 or 5 NBA games. I love it.

I blame Rondo for Ebola as well. I mean he's to blame for everything wrong in the world. Not just this team

Re: how big a lead
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2014, 10:24:15 PM »

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

We have a higher winning percentage without Rondo than with him over the last FOUR YEARS.

Rondo ranked 29th and 26th in PER for all point guards over the last two years.

what?  you are getting too lazy to do your famous copy/clip/paste move?  cmon man that is your signature go to thing!

People who respond to facts with personal attacks have lost the argument.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.

how is the truth a personal attack?  yeah right, it isn't haha.

I posted facts about Rondo. You tried to switch to a personal attack.

FAIL.

Re: how big a lead
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2014, 10:24:50 PM »

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

Ah giving up, better than getting banned.

Team is bad and we are in trouble once other teams play in the fourth.

Re: how big a lead
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2014, 10:26:49 PM »

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Its very simple.  As soon as the opposition starts playing some defense, this team folds like a tent.  Happened all last season. It's continuing this season. Its a function of your talent level.

It's easy to seemingly score at will when the other team isn't defending.

This has little to do with a lack of talent.  The culprits in this game were horrible defense, poor shot selection and idiotic line up decisions.

Mike
If it happens repeatedly, its talent.  Shot selections lineup decisions, refs calls, that stuff evens out over time.  This pattern has repeated itself since the start of last season.   They fold in the face of good team defense because they don't have enough talent.

Yeah, you don't understand the game.

You don't need great talent to play decent defense.
You don't need great talent to have good shot selection.
It doesn't matter how much talent you have when your coach is constant making atrocious rotation decision.

If it was just talent, then every once in a while you'd get lucky and the other team would miss and you wouldn't and you'd back into a win.  OKC without Durant and Westbrook wasn't more talented than us.  Toronto had a couple of players out and they weren't more talented than us.  And I don't understand how anyone could watch this game and think Atlanta's comeback was about talent.

Mike

Re: how big a lead
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2014, 10:27:31 PM »

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

We have a higher winning percentage without Rondo than with him over the last FOUR YEARS.

Rondo ranked 29th and 26th in PER for all point guards over the last two years.

what?  you are getting too lazy to do your famous copy/clip/paste move?  cmon man that is your signature go to thing!

People who respond to facts with personal attacks have lost the argument.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.

how is the truth a personal attack?  yeah right, it isn't haha.

I posted facts about Rondo. You tried to switch to a personal attack.

FAIL.

I didn't personally attack you.  dude you are crazy.  You post your crazy lame +/- stuff that isn't relevant without context literally all the time.  How is me pointing that out a personal attack on you?  You need to learn the word context.  and really "FAIL" are you 10?


Re: how big a lead
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2014, 10:29:05 PM »

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

Ah giving up, better than getting banned.

Team is bad and we are in trouble once other teams play in the fourth.

Exactly, once we become a team again, not a bad collection of mismatched assets, hopefully we will have that extra gear as well.  Makes you miss the good old days of 2008-2012.

Re: how big a lead
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2014, 10:29:12 PM »

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

We have a higher winning percentage without Rondo than with him over the last FOUR YEARS.

Rondo ranked 29th and 26th in PER for all point guards over the last two years.

what?  you are getting too lazy to do your famous copy/clip/paste move?  cmon man that is your signature go to thing!

People who respond to facts with personal attacks have lost the argument.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.

how is the truth a personal attack?  yeah right, it isn't haha.

I posted facts about Rondo. You tried to switch to a personal attack.

FAIL.

I didn't personally attack you.  dude you are crazy.  You post your crazy lame +/- stuff that isn't relevant without context literally all the time.  How is me pointing that out a personal attack on you?  You need to learn the word context.  and really "FAIL" are you 10?

I called you on your personal insult and reply with another personal insult.

Nice.

Re: how big a lead
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2014, 10:32:13 PM »

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I feel like our games this year should be just 1 quarter long. 12 minute sudden death.

Save us all some time. The first 3 quarters never even count for anything.

Re: how big a lead
« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2014, 10:42:43 PM »

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

We have a higher winning percentage without Rondo than with him over the last FOUR YEARS.

Rondo ranked 29th and 26th in PER for all point guards over the last two years.

what?  you are getting too lazy to do your famous copy/clip/paste move?  cmon man that is your signature go to thing!

People who respond to facts with personal attacks have lost the argument.

Apology accepted, Captain Needa.

how is the truth a personal attack?  yeah right, it isn't haha.

I posted facts about Rondo. You tried to switch to a personal attack.

FAIL.

I didn't personally attack you.  dude you are crazy.  You post your crazy lame +/- stuff that isn't relevant without context literally all the time.  How is me pointing that out a personal attack on you?  You need to learn the word context.  and really "FAIL" are you 10?

I called you on your personal insult and reply with another personal insult.

Nice.


Re: how big a lead
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2014, 10:46:21 PM »

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Haven't posted in awhile, but have been reading. Will be reading less and posting less. I just don't know how anyone can stay around here and put up with the posters here whose sole existence is to blame Rondo for everything that happens with this team. Bottom line, the team stinks and the coach is suspect. You anti-Rondo guys don't have a clue.

I know vinnie, it hurts my head too.  you should come back and participate though.  just remember to drink heavily before coming onto the forums. :)

Just waiting around tonight for Triboy16 to show up and share his Rondo hate. I also wish he would tell us all again how great Kelly Olynyk is. Honestly, the guy is the worst defensive player I have ever seen. I bet Triboy can find a way to blame Rondo for Olynyk's all-around awfulness too. But they have a plan - build the team around a guy who has played 4 or 5 NBA games. I love it.

While I agree that some posters have frustratingly correlated the team's poor play to Rondo's individual value as a player, I don't think Rondo at this juncture of his career is any better than Rudy Gay was as a Raptor. Yet, there are a lot less people willing to challenge the idea that the Raptors are better without him than there are people willing to say the same about Rondo.

What are your thoughts on the notion that we could build a better team without him?


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Re: how big a lead
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2014, 11:39:44 PM »

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Its very simple.  As soon as the opposition starts playing some defense, this team folds like a tent.  Happened all last season. It's continuing this season. Its a function of your talent level.

It's easy to seemingly score at will when the other team isn't defending.

This has little to do with a lack of talent.  The culprits in this game were horrible defense, poor shot selection and idiotic line up decisions.

Mike
If it happens repeatedly, its talent.  Shot selections lineup decisions, refs calls, that stuff evens out over time.  This pattern has repeated itself since the start of last season.   They fold in the face of good team defense because they don't have enough talent.

Yeah, you don't understand the game.

You don't need great talent to play decent defense.
You don't need great talent to have good shot selection.
It doesn't matter how much talent you have when your coach is constant making atrocious rotation decision.

If it was just talent, then every once in a while you'd get lucky and the other team would miss and you wouldn't and you'd back into a win.  OKC without Durant and Westbrook wasn't more talented than us.  Toronto had a couple of players out and they weren't more talented than us.  And I don't understand how anyone could watch this game and think Atlanta's comeback was about talent.

Mike
If you don't think Horford and Millsap are better than anything we have up front, you're the one who doesn't understand the game.  Toss in Korver who's a proven NBA commodity, and Teague who's a respectable PG - and the Hawks area a more talented team than us right now.  So no, it was no shock that we blew that game.

I would also argue that the OKC team that beat us WAS more talented than us because at least they could defend and lock a team down.  This team can't stop anyone.

The Celtics can score - when its easy - as Stevens pointed out post game.  And its easy when the other team isn't defending very hard.  When they pick it up, C's players can't get to the spots they want, the shooting percentages plummet, passes get deflected, turnovers happen, no one is good enough offensively to bail them out of a bad set, and the whole thing falls apart.

Not sure which league you're watching but most non blowout games in the NBA come down to the 4th quarter when the intensity always picks up.  Good teams can still run their offense and score points against the best D the other team throws at them.  Bad teams cannot.   Good teams can also get stops at that point of the game.  Bad ones can't.

You could argue that defense is about lack of effort.  But when you've been losing as many games as they have the same way for more than a full season, I think it runs deeper than that.