Recipe for Success!

[Celticjay]

Improve: Defense and outside shooting and establish an identity..

1. Trade the following: Olynk (for some shooting) Maybe Stauskas?   Olynk is clearly a 4 and will never be passable defensively. We need to go with him or Sullinger and Sullinger is more well rounded.  No pun intended!

2. Trade Rondo for a rim protector - Roy hibbert or Larry Sanders - sweeten the deal with a pick if needed.  Rondo isn't the right leader for this team and is a liability when not surrounded with closers and shooters.  Price to resign is too high and we won't be great for a couple more years and he won't have the patience for that.  He could easily hold Coach Stevens back from having free reign on this team.   Smart is a better point than 2 and is a far superior leader even at such a young age.

3. Get James young more minutes at the 3 behind green.   Later on will start and provide shooting and slashing at the 3.  Really like the spacing we would have down the line with Stauskas and Young on the wings.  Also, Stauskas has a good handle which would be good to pair with Smart.  Young and Stauskas are know to be a little cocky too which I think works very well with Smart and Sullinger. 

4. Hire a defensive assistant coach.  We lost our defensive coordinator to the Suns ( forgot his name) but I see a huge drop off this season.  Stevens needs some support there.

5. Go Young this year and play with intensity and fire.  We still will lose but at least we'll have a direction.

Starters:
1. Smart
2. Stauskas
3. Green/ Young
4. Sullinger
5. Hibbert/Sanders  (prefer Sanders due to his mobility and lighter contract)

Bench:
Bradley, Young, Zeller, Thorton, Bass

This offseason we will have some cap space and some picks to add the right players who fit this new identity.  But we need to have an identity and a true leader who embodies that identity and that in my view is Smart with his intensity and will to win.

I'd watch this team right now as I feel the team is too disjointed and that Rondo is an anchor holding us back.  It would be better for Rondo to spend his prime on a team that matches his skills better.   He's been a great Celtic but it'd be best for both parties if he was moved..

Thoughts?

[greece66]

IMO it is way too early to pass judgment on Kelly.
As for trading Rondo for Hibbert sounds too good to be true.
Playing Young in the D-League for now is not a bad idea. At this stage he has to keep scoring points and improve his D.
In short, I think you jump to conclusions too early, after only 14 games, give these guys some time.

[Chris22]

Trade Rondo for a rim protector.
Continue to build through the draft.
We have 5 first round picks in the next two years.

[D.o.s.]

IMO it is way too early to pass judgment on Kelly.
As for trading Rondo for Hibbert sounds too good to be true.
Playing Young in the D-League for now is not a bad idea. At this stage he has to keep scoring points and improve his D.
In short, I think you jump to conclusions too early, after only 14 games, give these guys some time.

Agreed on all fronts.

[ViolentGhandi]

not goining to happen

also how can Smart be a leader - he is totally unproofen, unexperienced in the league - if you make him a leader who will follow him? he has to earn a leading role

Turner was once a 2nd pick and he still has not established himself as the player he was expected to become - never will - how can you tell that Smart is going to become what you are hoping for

I can see that Smart has some potential but to me he would have to proof that first before I would accept him in a leading role - I would think his teammates and trainer might share that perspective

you got a mild case of wishfull thinking there - you are upset with the results so far (results that were expected from every1) and now your mind keeps comming with potential scenarios to turn things around - in your mindseye those plans alllways pan out - the truth is much more complicated and the risk of failure is allways there - I don't see anyone making Smart lead a team over night he has to establish himself first

I don't even waste my time thinking about such things as I can't make an impact of any kind to the lineup and even if I could I would trust the coaching stuff to evaluate the players better than I do. thats what they are well payed for to do - if BS sends Young to DLeague he is simply doing that because realisticly he isnt good enough to get minutes other than in garbage time. Seeing him doining good there might make the impression that he should become more minutes. But hey he is only facing the weakest guys from the opponent at a time the game is in the books allready. I wouldnt expect the same performance in a game which is still on the line.

So all you & I can do is sit, watch and hope for the best. Might take some time thru...

[PickNRoll]

I like ideas and the enthusiasm. 

KO wouldn't fetch Stauskas.  Not sure how much Larry likes Rondo either.  Young is a LONG ways away from being an NBA player but I say WTH, throw him in the fire.  What have we got to lose?

[Chris22]

I like ideas and the enthusiasm. 

KO wouldn't fetch Stauskas.  Not sure how much Larry likes Rondo either.  Young is a LONG ways away from being an NBA player but I say WTH, throw him in the fire.  What have we got to lose?

Young only plays if we trade Rondo for a big.
That moves Turner to guard instead of SF and guard.

[jonaslopes]

you got a mild case of wishfull thinking there

Mild? ha ha ha

[PickNRoll]

I like ideas and the enthusiasm. 

KO wouldn't fetch Stauskas.  Not sure how much Larry likes Rondo either.  Young is a LONG ways away from being an NBA player but I say WTH, throw him in the fire.  What have we got to lose?

Young only plays if we trade Rondo for a big.
That moves Turner to guard instead of SF and guard.

Young isn't playing because Stevens is actually trying to win games (believe it or not!).  Assuming he wants to win he'd have Thornton, Wallace, Smart, etc. absorb minutes before young.  Frankly, I wouldn't mind giving Turner's minutes to Young right now, wins be [dang]ed.  I don't like Turner as a long-term option.  At least Young is an unknown.

[Chris22]

I like ideas and the enthusiasm. 

KO wouldn't fetch Stauskas.  Not sure how much Larry likes Rondo either.  Young is a LONG ways away from being an NBA player but I say WTH, throw him in the fire.  What have we got to lose?

Young only plays if we trade Rondo for a big.
That moves Turner to guard instead of SF and guard.

Young isn't playing because Stevens is actually trying to win games (believe it or not!).  Assuming he wants to win he'd have Thornton, Wallace, Smart, etc. absorb minutes before young.  Frankly, I wouldn't mind giving Turner's minutes to Young right now, wins be [dang]ed.  I don't like Turner as a long-term option.  At least Young is an unknown.

I like Turner at the two, but the Celtics are in love with playing people out of position.
Young could backup Green after Rondo is traded.

[LarBrd33]

I like ideas and the enthusiasm. 

KO wouldn't fetch Stauskas.  Not sure how much Larry likes Rondo either.  Young is a LONG ways away from being an NBA player but I say WTH, throw him in the fire.  What have we got to lose?

Young only plays if we trade Rondo for a big.
That moves Turner to guard instead of SF and guard.

Young isn't playing because Stevens is actually trying to win games (believe it or not!).  Assuming he wants to win he'd have Thornton, Wallace, Smart, etc. absorb minutes before young.  Frankly, I wouldn't mind giving Turner's minutes to Young right now, wins be [dang]ed.  I don't like Turner as a long-term option.  At least Young is an unknown.

I like Turner at the two, but the Celtics are in love with playing people out of position.
Young could backup Green after Rondo is traded.

That's kind of what you have to do when your team is bad and you're trying to keep the trade value up for your assets.  Doesn't matter if the pieces fit and the team loses a lot... just gotta keep them stats up for the players you want to flip.   Olynyk at center never made a lick of sense, but if it allowed him the minutes to put up big numbers, teams might start taking him seriously as a tradeable asset. 

[KeepRondo]

So you are complaining about Olynyk's defense, which does suck, and then want to trade him for another bad defender?

[Chris22]

I like ideas and the enthusiasm. 

KO wouldn't fetch Stauskas.  Not sure how much Larry likes Rondo either.  Young is a LONG ways away from being an NBA player but I say WTH, throw him in the fire.  What have we got to lose?

Young only plays if we trade Rondo for a big.
That moves Turner to guard instead of SF and guard.

Young isn't playing because Stevens is actually trying to win games (believe it or not!).  Assuming he wants to win he'd have Thornton, Wallace, Smart, etc. absorb minutes before young.  Frankly, I wouldn't mind giving Turner's minutes to Young right now, wins be [dang]ed.  I don't like Turner as a long-term option.  At least Young is an unknown.

I like Turner at the two, but the Celtics are in love with playing people out of position.
Young could backup Green after Rondo is traded.

That's kind of what you have to do when your team is bad and you're trying to keep the trade value up for your assets.  Doesn't matter if the pieces fit and the team loses a lot... just gotta keep them stats up for the players you want to flip.   Olynyk at center never made a lick of sense, but if it allowed him the minutes to put up big numbers, teams might start taking him seriously as a tradeable asset.

You don't have to play people out of position.
All you have to do is trade Rondo and start Zeller and everything else falls into place.

[D.o.s.]

We lose a lot of games, you mean?

[ViolentGhandi]

Yeah Turner is traped between TurnOver and Burner - he can shoot but he can not get his act togather for a whole game - he often looks out of balance - like his brainwaves are out of sync - awkward to say the least - can not even fantom his problem - don't know what to make of him at all but surely don't expect him to shine

other guys proof to you eighter on a regular basis that they are good or bad - if a guy is bad and trying hard ok I can live with that - but he makes my fingernails roll up doin good in one moment and miserably fail the next - showing his performances in resting homes will cause fatal heart conditions - good things he will not be around the league anymore when I get there to get my ass cleaned by young nurses in tight uniforms