Looks like Tommy can't take it anymore

[D.o.s.]

I realize that, and I'll reiterate, that happens all the time.

In case you don't believe me:
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7737321/los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-unhappy-being-benched-late-memphis-grizzlies

"Of course I was," Bryant told reporters when asked if he was upset about the benching.

Bryant hesitated to elaborate. "Not really," he said at first when asked if he could speak about the substitution, but went on to support Lakers coach Mike Brown when further pressed about the benching.

"It's his decision to make," Bryant said. "He makes the decision. He's the coach. If you guys are looking for a story, I'm not going to give you one.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/18/sports/la-sp-sn-russell-westbrook-20120618

"It was the coach's decision," Westbrook said. "You have to live with it. Didn't have too many conversations of coming back into the game, just kind of just waited and seeing when I get called to go back in."

http://www.crabdribbles.com/gasol-gets-benched-for-entire-fourth-quarter-says-hes-frustrated-with-looks-on-offense/

“That’s not my decision,” Gasol said of his benching. “I’m a professional. When my number is called, I’m out there. But it’s something that hasn’t happened to me.”

“All my looks are jump shots,” Gasol said. “I would like to see something to the basket and not just something rolling when Dwight is there.”

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225178/Humphries-Understands-Benching-Despire-Frustration

"He just said he was starting Gerald [Wallace] and it was going to be inconsistent for me for a while," Humphries said. "I really didn't know it was going to be a DNP, but you've got to be ready to handle anything in the NBA.

"Anybody wants to start and play as much as possible, so you are obviously frustrated. But it's about more than one player."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24395356/nuggets-andre-miller-got-into-a-heated-argument-with-brian-shaw

Miller yelled about the disrespect he felt he was being shown by sitting. And if he was being disrespected, he'd do the same to the Nuggets' first-year head coach.

"There's a time and place for everything," Shaw said. "In the middle of the arena in front of everyone ... I just tried to calm it down."

[Monkhouse]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

Ummmm and you know this how?...

Do you by any chance have connections to CBS? Where are your facts? Also if Smart didn't make it, then Rondo would try to find a man that can or has a better look.. It's called having high BBIQ which Rondo has..

Also can't believe I read the word selfish and Rondo in the same sentence.. Back up your statements with stats and quotes..

Just watch the games. I watched more than 500 games with Rondo playing. I'm not blind.
Doc left this team because he doesn't want to coach a team that's best player is Rondo.

I never said he was selfish, so looks like people here don't even can read. I said it's the Rondo way or the highway.

You seriously underrate other players BBIQ. If Rondo is that smart he would know how he's hurting the team on offense that he can't shoot. He would practice till his arms falling off. He ruins spacing. Defenders backing off playing free safety.He can be the smatest player ever, he will not win many games if he can't improve his shooting. I bet Thibs is way smarter than Rondo. He just don't have the tools to succeed as a player. Rondo is not a coach, he's just one of the player, so improve your skills and let the coach orchestrate the offense, defense. Don't try to overrule your coach.

BTW You don't need to like my opinion. That's my opinion.

Exactly. Nothing factual, just another triboy type of post.

Also... how does Rondo always manage to suck the defense in consistently...? Doesn't the act of driving open up shots from the perimeter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMcjdrjviY

I think you are offensive. I find it shameful, that people only can say this much like you. You clearly don't want to face what I wrote, so try to discredit me. I guess you are a sore looser in life too. I say nothing offensive for you yet you attack me. Go suck Rondo's dick some more.

First off...

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

Ummmm and you know this how?...

Do you by any chance have connections to CBS? Where are your facts? Also if Smart didn't make it, then Rondo would try to find a man that can or has a better look.. It's called having high BBIQ which Rondo has..

Also can't believe I read the word selfish and Rondo in the same sentence.. Back up your statements with stats and quotes..

Just watch the games. I watched more than 500 games with Rondo playing. I'm not blind.
Doc left this team because he doesn't want to coach a team that's best player is Rondo.

I never said he was selfish, so looks like people here don't even can read. I said it's the Rondo way or the highway.

You insulted me  first. Secondly, you haven't backed anything up with facts.. You say Rondo is worthless on offense, cause he has no shot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GWHNw5JMkE

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/8/1/5959473/rajon-rondo-cant-shoot-well-actually-he-sorta-can-boston-celtics-rumor-nba

Over the course of the past five seasons, NBA teams have shot 39.5 percent from mid-range. Rondo comes in at just a hair above at 41.3 percent. He's above average. But looking more closely at the past two seasons, Rondo is at 46.6 percent from mid-range, which is actually quite good.

Third, if I hurt your feelings, then I apologize for any statement I have made.

Year    Isolation    P&R Ball Handler    Spot-Up
2009-10    26.9% (7/26)    30.8% (4/13)    32.6% (14/43)
2010-11    18.8% (3/16)    100% (1/1)    30.8% (4/13)
2011-12    41.7% (5/12)    27.8% (5/18)    12.9% (4/31)
2012-13    0% (0/10)    45.5% (5/11)    22.7% (5/22)
2013-14    20% (4/20)    44% (11/25)    17.2% (5/29)
Total    22.6% (19/84)    38.2% (26/68)    23.2% (32/138)

Lastly, you can't say that word here. There's little kids that roam these forums.

[blink]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

How on earth can you ever make that statement unless you are on the coaching staff?  Does Stevens call you up and give you personal updates?  I am sorry but you are just making stuff up.

[Rosco917]

Man, I hope nobody from Sacramento, Detroit, New York, LA, Milwaukee, or Brooklyn are checking in on the Celtics Forum. They could actually think we are less than satisfied with friend Rondo.

Let him play, let him lead the league in assists. Convince everyone he's a leader, great passer, good guy, "head strong...Rondo? he's not head strong"

[Monkhouse]

Man, I hope nobody from Sacramento, Detroit, New York, LA, Milwaukee, or Brooklyn are checking in on the Celtics Forum. They could actually think we are less than satisfied with friend Rondo.

Let him play, let him lead the league in assists. Convince everyone he's a leader, great passer, good guy, "head strong...Rondo? he's not head strong"

He's been all that and more. A roster like this isn't that good. Rondo could make a team like CHA infinitely a lot more effective.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo is a stubborn, inflexible player.  When Tommy says something it should be considered.

Next game, Rondo still walks up with the ball in the 4th and Tommy starts going crazy again.

Tommy was not like this when the big three were here. He wasn't big on the team pushing the pace bc things worked and we were winning.  Right now , things are different. Rondo does not get it

Rondo should listen to a guy that has won more rings then he can ever dream of winning. 

Some fans here still back up Rondo vs a Legend.  really?   How many rings has he won as a player and coach combined?

[TheFlex]

It is becoming increasingly evident, if it wasn't before the season, that this team as currently constructed is plain bad. One could nitpick that we'd pick up a few extra wins with this offensive scheme or that defensive mindset, but the reality is that Gregg Popovich couldn't coach this team to a relevant playoff seed without better players.

The sooner we accept this, the sooner we can stop obsessing over what CBS could do differently to get more out of this group and the sooner we can start asking Danny Ainge to make the group itself better.

[TheFlex]

Rondo is a stubborn, inflexible player.  When Tommy says something it should be considered.

Next game, Rondo still walks up with the ball in the 4th and Tommy starts going crazy again.

Tommy was not like this when the big three were here. He wasn't big on the team pushing the pace bc things worked and we were winning.  Right now , things are different. Rondo does not get it

Rondo should listen to a guy that has won more rings then he can ever dream of winning. 

Some fans here still back up Rondo vs a Legend.  really?   How many rings has he won as a player and coach combined?

As expected, you have exhibited a complete misinterpretation of the conversation being had between Rondo and Mr. Heinsohn.

[puskas54_10]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

Ummmm and you know this how?...

Do you by any chance have connections to CBS? Where are your facts? Also if Smart didn't make it, then Rondo would try to find a man that can or has a better look.. It's called having high BBIQ which Rondo has..

Also can't believe I read the word selfish and Rondo in the same sentence.. Back up your statements with stats and quotes..

Just watch the games. I watched more than 500 games with Rondo playing. I'm not blind.
Doc left this team because he doesn't want to coach a team that's best player is Rondo.

I never said he was selfish, so looks like people here don't even can read. I said it's the Rondo way or the highway.

You seriously underrate other players BBIQ. If Rondo is that smart he would know how he's hurting the team on offense that he can't shoot. He would practice till his arms falling off. He ruins spacing. Defenders backing off playing free safety.He can be the smatest player ever, he will not win many games if he can't improve his shooting. I bet Thibs is way smarter than Rondo. He just don't have the tools to succeed as a player. Rondo is not a coach, he's just one of the player, so improve your skills and let the coach orchestrate the offense, defense. Don't try to overrule your coach.

BTW You don't need to like my opinion. That's my opinion.

Exactly. Nothing factual, just another triboy type of post.

Also... how does Rondo always manage to suck the defense in consistently...? Doesn't the act of driving open up shots from the perimeter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMcjdrjviY

I think you are offensive. I find it shameful, that people only can say this much like you. You clearly don't want to face what I wrote, so try to discredit me. I guess you are a sore looser in life too. I say nothing offensive for you yet you attack me. Go suck Rondo's dick some more.

First off...

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

Ummmm and you know this how?...

Do you by any chance have connections to CBS? Where are your facts? Also if Smart didn't make it, then Rondo would try to find a man that can or has a better look.. It's called having high BBIQ which Rondo has..

Also can't believe I read the word selfish and Rondo in the same sentence.. Back up your statements with stats and quotes..

Just watch the games. I watched more than 500 games with Rondo playing. I'm not blind.
Doc left this team because he doesn't want to coach a team that's best player is Rondo.

I never said he was selfish, so looks like people here don't even can read. I said it's the Rondo way or the highway.

You insulted me  first. Secondly, you haven't backed anything up with facts.. You say Rondo is worthless on offense, cause he has no shot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GWHNw5JMkE

http://www.celticsblog.com/2014/8/1/5959473/rajon-rondo-cant-shoot-well-actually-he-sorta-can-boston-celtics-rumor-nba

Over the course of the past five seasons, NBA teams have shot 39.5 percent from mid-range. Rondo comes in at just a hair above at 41.3 percent. He's above average. But looking more closely at the past two seasons, Rondo is at 46.6 percent from mid-range, which is actually quite good.

Third, if I hurt your feelings, then I apologize for any statement I have made.

Year    Isolation    P&R Ball Handler    Spot-Up
2009-10    26.9% (7/26)    30.8% (4/13)    32.6% (14/43)
2010-11    18.8% (3/16)    100% (1/1)    30.8% (4/13)
2011-12    41.7% (5/12)    27.8% (5/18)    12.9% (4/31)
2012-13    0% (0/10)    45.5% (5/11)    22.7% (5/22)
2013-14    20% (4/20)    44% (11/25)    17.2% (5/29)
Total    22.6% (19/84)    38.2% (26/68)    23.2% (32/138)

Lastly, you can't say that word here. There's little kids that roam these forums.

I never insulted you.
Unless you are Rondo, I would understand that.

I don't hate Rondo, although I don't like him. He's not my kind of player. I talked about his flaws, which Rondo lovers like you don't like, which I get.
I edited my post, because I know it was not appropriate to say some things.
You p---ed me off with that triboy thing.

I can dig up some horrible stats for Rondo, but I don't think it's mean anything. If you love him you don't care. The kid can't shoot. I never pass him the ball in crunch time, never. If I'm the coach 5 players who can make the shot were on the court on the last possesion. Maybe a big for rebounding.

[blink]

Rondo is a stubborn, inflexible player.  When Tommy says something it should be considered.

Next game, Rondo still walks up with the ball in the 4th and Tommy starts going crazy again.

Tommy was not like this when the big three were here. He wasn't big on the team pushing the pace bc things worked and we were winning.  Right now , things are different. Rondo does not get it

Rondo should listen to a guy that has won more rings then he can ever dream of winning. 

Some fans here still back up Rondo vs a Legend.  really?   How many rings has he won as a player and coach combined?

So even though explicit Rondo quotes showing how (he appreciated Tommy's advice and how he was listening to it, and how he considered it good advice) you twist it into Rondo ignoring what Tommy says.  You completely missed the point on this whole conversation / thread.  It is really funny and yet completely predictable.

[greece66]

It is becoming increasingly evident, if it wasn't before the season, that this team as currently constructed is plain bad. One could nitpick that we'd pick up a few extra wins with this offensive scheme or that defensive mindset, but the reality is that Gregg Popovich couldn't coach this team to a relevant playoff seed without better players.

The sooner we accept this, the sooner we can stop obsessing over what CBS could do differently to get more out of this group and the sooner we can start asking Danny Ainge to make the group itself better.

Exactly.

[puskas54_10]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

How on earth can you ever make that statement unless you are on the coaching staff?  Does Stevens call you up and give you personal updates?  I am sorry but you are just making stuff up.

Once in the huddle in of the last couple games Rondo said "It's his team". Somebody talked about it here at celticsblog.

[puskas54_10]

I realize that, and I'll reiterate, that happens all the time.

In case you don't believe me:
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7737321/los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-unhappy-being-benched-late-memphis-grizzlies

"Of course I was," Bryant told reporters when asked if he was upset about the benching.

Bryant hesitated to elaborate. "Not really," he said at first when asked if he could speak about the substitution, but went on to support Lakers coach Mike Brown when further pressed about the benching.

"It's his decision to make," Bryant said. "He makes the decision. He's the coach. If you guys are looking for a story, I'm not going to give you one.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/18/sports/la-sp-sn-russell-westbrook-20120618

"It was the coach's decision," Westbrook said. "You have to live with it. Didn't have too many conversations of coming back into the game, just kind of just waited and seeing when I get called to go back in."

http://www.crabdribbles.com/gasol-gets-benched-for-entire-fourth-quarter-says-hes-frustrated-with-looks-on-offense/

“That’s not my decision,” Gasol said of his benching. “I’m a professional. When my number is called, I’m out there. But it’s something that hasn’t happened to me.”

“All my looks are jump shots,” Gasol said. “I would like to see something to the basket and not just something rolling when Dwight is there.”

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225178/Humphries-Understands-Benching-Despire-Frustration

"He just said he was starting Gerald [Wallace] and it was going to be inconsistent for me for a while," Humphries said. "I really didn't know it was going to be a DNP, but you've got to be ready to handle anything in the NBA.

"Anybody wants to start and play as much as possible, so you are obviously frustrated. But it's about more than one player."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24395356/nuggets-andre-miller-got-into-a-heated-argument-with-brian-shaw

Miller yelled about the disrespect he felt he was being shown by sitting. And if he was being disrespected, he'd do the same to the Nuggets' first-year head coach.

"There's a time and place for everything," Shaw said. "In the middle of the arena in front of everyone ... I just tried to calm it down."

I give you TP for your work, but

Kobe benching: Mike Bronw was fired after just a couple games. Maybe Kobe did not support him afterall.

Gasol was not a real star in 2012 anymore.

Andre Miller was never a star player.

I almost forget Hump. He is an average player.

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{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

How on earth can you ever make that statement unless you are on the coaching staff?  Does Stevens call you up and give you personal updates?  I am sorry but you are just making stuff up.

Once in the huddle in of the last couple games Rondo said "It's his team". Somebody talked about it here at celticsblog.

Exactly how does Rondo saying it is 'his team' ie taking leadership responsibility = Rondo not doing what the coach says?  There is zero logic in your statement.

Seriously why don't you give us a link to an article where Rondo says that he doesn't do what the coach says?  Or even better find us some quotes from Stevens saying Rondo ignores what he says to do on the court?  You, like the rest of us, have no idea what Stevens is saying to Rondo.  Acting like you know is just silly.

[D.o.s.]

I realize that, and I'll reiterate, that happens all the time.

In case you don't believe me:
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7737321/los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-unhappy-being-benched-late-memphis-grizzlies

"Of course I was," Bryant told reporters when asked if he was upset about the benching.

Bryant hesitated to elaborate. "Not really," he said at first when asked if he could speak about the substitution, but went on to support Lakers coach Mike Brown when further pressed about the benching.

"It's his decision to make," Bryant said. "He makes the decision. He's the coach. If you guys are looking for a story, I'm not going to give you one.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/18/sports/la-sp-sn-russell-westbrook-20120618

"It was the coach's decision," Westbrook said. "You have to live with it. Didn't have too many conversations of coming back into the game, just kind of just waited and seeing when I get called to go back in."

http://www.crabdribbles.com/gasol-gets-benched-for-entire-fourth-quarter-says-hes-frustrated-with-looks-on-offense/

“That’s not my decision,” Gasol said of his benching. “I’m a professional. When my number is called, I’m out there. But it’s something that hasn’t happened to me.”

“All my looks are jump shots,” Gasol said. “I would like to see something to the basket and not just something rolling when Dwight is there.”

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225178/Humphries-Understands-Benching-Despire-Frustration

"He just said he was starting Gerald [Wallace] and it was going to be inconsistent for me for a while," Humphries said. "I really didn't know it was going to be a DNP, but you've got to be ready to handle anything in the NBA.

"Anybody wants to start and play as much as possible, so you are obviously frustrated. But it's about more than one player."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24395356/nuggets-andre-miller-got-into-a-heated-argument-with-brian-shaw

Miller yelled about the disrespect he felt he was being shown by sitting. And if he was being disrespected, he'd do the same to the Nuggets' first-year head coach.

"There's a time and place for everything," Shaw said. "In the middle of the arena in front of everyone ... I just tried to calm it down."

I give you TP for your work, but

Kobe benching: Mike Bronw was fired after just a couple games. Maybe Kobe did not support him afterall.

Gasol was not a real star in 2012 anymore.

Andre Miller was never a star player.

I almost forget Hump. He is an average player.

Andre Miller is, if nothing else, one of the nine most prolific passers in NBA history.

You asked for an example involving Kobe -- I gave you one. Even Kobe Bryant gets benched (Mike Brown is a terrible coach, though).

The point is, in normal circumstances, coaches control rotations, not players. The Lakers are such a trash fire that Kobe has to play all those minutes: they have no one else of his caliber, even though he's a withered shell. LeBron is the best player in the league right now, why would you bench him? Those are two pretty extreme outliers, and don't really apply to the way the league actually works.