Looks like Tommy can't take it anymore

[playdream]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet
 

[clover]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

Yeah, that is a scary quote. If Rondo is really unable to push the pace after the opposition scores, then he's incapable of doing so for roughly half the game. Let's hope Tommy can refrain from tossing his mike the next time Rondo rolls the ball halfway up the floor.

[celtics2030]

You guys are out of control. He's right, when the ball is going in time after time how in the hell are you supposed to push the pace? You might get a lucky quick basket once in a whole but that's because the other team has a brain fart after the made basket. The sours are different because they actually get stops

[saltlover]

Are you new to watching basketball?  Rondo is right - transition offense starts on defense.  Nine times out of 10, if a basket is made, the other team is going to get back.  If the basket was a putback from an offensive rebound, you might have the opportunity to run because a couple players might be out of position, but only if your guys going for the rebound are able to recover more quickly.  A couple times a game you might catch the other team napping and be able to push it from a miss, but you can't do it often, because they're not idiots.  Furthermore, transition offense from a made basket typically requires a pass covering most of the court to take advantage of your player who got behind the defense --- these passes are quite risky and can lead to a turnover as much as a fast break.

When you get a rebound, on the other hand, you can start your transition faster.  Rondo has known this his entire career -- it's why he gets rebounds, so he can push the basketball more quickly, as opposed to a big getting the rebound and looking to pass to Rondo, which slows your transition.  It's one reason why Stevens wants multiple ball-handlers on the floor as well, so that there are multiple players who can start transition offense.

It goes the other way too -- a made basket helps set your defense too, so while good offense starts from an opponent's miss, good defense starts from your own make.  This is partly why (in addition to randomness) basketball is often a game of runs.  You make a basket, which helps your defense, causing the other guys to miss a basket, which gets you into your offense better, so you make a basket and repeat the cycle.

[LooseCannon]

Maybe Rondo needs to gamble more on defense in hopes of causing a turnover that leads to a transition opportunity which pushes the pace.

[makaveli]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

i can't believe that rondo is complaining about defense when after kelly o, he is the single worst defender on our team. fact

[clover]

Are you new to watching basketball?  Rondo is right - transition offense starts on defense.  Nine times out of 10, if a basket is made, the other team is going to get back.  If the basket was a putback from an offensive rebound, you might have the opportunity to run because a couple players might be out of position, but only if your guys going for the rebound are able to recover more quickly.  A couple times a game you might catch the other team napping and be able to push it from a miss, but you can't do it often, because they're not idiots.  Furthermore, transition offense from a made basket typically requires a pass covering most of the court to take advantage of your player who got behind the defense --- these passes are quite risky and can lead to a turnover as much as a fast break.

When you get a rebound, on the other hand, you can start your transition faster.  Rondo has known this his entire career -- it's why he gets rebounds, so he can push the basketball more quickly, as opposed to a big getting the rebound and looking to pass to Rondo, which slows your transition.  It's one reason why Stevens wants multiple ball-handlers on the floor as well, so that there are multiple players who can start transition offense.

It goes the other way too -- a made basket helps set your defense too, so while good offense starts from an opponent's miss, good defense starts from your own make.  This is partly why (in addition to randomness) basketball is often a game of runs.  You make a basket, which helps your defense, causing the other guys to miss a basket, which gets you into your offense better, so you make a basket and repeat the cycle.

Right--but pace isn't only dependent on transition offense.

[clover]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

i can't believe that rondo is complaining about defense when after kelly o, he is the single worst defender on our team. fact

I think the scariest quote I might have seen from Rondo this year was something to the effect of Bradley and Smart, as the young guys, having to play really hard on defense--while he in his advanced age wasn't as good at it anymore.

[playdream]

Are you new to watching basketball?  Rondo is right - transition offense starts on defense.  Nine times out of 10, if a basket is made, the other team is going to get back.  If the basket was a putback from an offensive rebound, you might have the opportunity to run because a couple players might be out of position, but only if your guys going for the rebound are able to recover more quickly.  A couple times a game you might catch the other team napping and be able to push it from a miss, but you can't do it often, because they're not idiots.  Furthermore, transition offense from a made basket typically requires a pass covering most of the court to take advantage of your player who got behind the defense --- these passes are quite risky and can lead to a turnover as much as a fast break.

When you get a rebound, on the other hand, you can start your transition faster.  Rondo has known this his entire career -- it's why he gets rebounds, so he can push the basketball more quickly, as opposed to a big getting the rebound and looking to pass to Rondo, which slows your transition.  It's one reason why Stevens wants multiple ball-handlers on the floor as well, so that there are multiple players who can start transition offense.

It goes the other way too -- a made basket helps set your defense too, so while good offense starts from an opponent's miss, good defense starts from your own make.  This is partly why (in addition to randomness) basketball is often a game of runs.  You make a basket, which helps your defense, causing the other guys to miss a basket, which gets you into your offense better, so you make a basket and repeat the cycle.

Right--but pace isn't only dependent on transition offense.

for example, you don't walk slowly across the court like a 70 old man after a made basket
You Run and Push the pace

[ViolentGhandi]

TP saltover

also its not like Rondo has the ball roll to half court on every possession. He only does it after made shots with the opposing D set to manage the clock. The Clock starts when he first touches the ball so instead of slowing the game down he actually speeding it up by not using any game time to get to half court.

[D.o.s.]

Tommy's answer to everything that has ever ailed the Celtics is pushing the pace.

[sed522002]

Seems to me that the only pace that some know on here is "fast". You're not going to be able to go fast on every possession (and can we please stop using the Spurs as an example..we ARE NOT THE SPURS..nowhere close).

There are moments in the game where Rondo will need to speed it up and then there are moments when he's going to have to slow the ball down (especially when they start getting too frantic). Rondo has to gauge when it's the right time and yes, they also have to get some stops so that they can get things done in transition.

I just think that it's cool of Tommy to take the time to talk to Rondo and it's good that he's receptive of the things Tommy has to say.

[pearljammer10]

TP saltover

also its not like Rondo has the ball roll to half court on every possession. He only does it after made shots with the opposing D set to manage the clock. The Clock starts when he first touches the ball so instead of slowing the game down he actually speeding it up by not using any game time to get to half court.

I just don't understand what some people are thinking sometimes.

Well summed up saltlover.

[kozlodoev]

There's nothing particularly "scary" about this quote. And it's not Tommy's business to coach the Celtics.

In any case, all NBA teams live and die by their ability to score in half-court sets, so our problem is not pace.

[Chris22]

Trade Rondo for a big defender and turn the team over to Smart.