Why blame Rondo? What are people exactly blaming him for?

[KeepRondo]

Rondo is hardly the problem, he's some of the problem in that this is a bad roster and we have a bad understanding of how to utilize it to it's best advantage.

- AB - needs to be less of a focus on the offensive end.

- KO - needs to get more shots(the shots that AB is taking) and shoot more, esp. if they insist on starting him...at center. KO needs to have at least 20-30 shots a game otherwise there is no reason to play him at all.

against the bulls KO had 2 fouls before he even had a shot attempt. that should not happen! he should have had 3 shot attempts by that time! his offense is the only reason for playing him(much less start him) at all....GET HIM THE [dang] BALL!!!

opposing teams have no problem going right at KO as soon as they get off the bus. why do we have a problem looking his way out of the gate? what's the point of KO starting; knowing he pretty much has 2 fouls on him before he even steps on the court? someone please tell me what's his purpose?

- Zeller - needs to start. esp. if they're not going to make KO the weapon he should be. plus he has chemistry with Rondo. and he's not a complete push over on D.

- Turner - needs to never play PG again. this guy needs some discipline to his game, he's erratic.

- Green - lol, when this guy scores 20 all I think is why didn't he have 30? he's so freaking talented imo, but he just doesn't have it in him to be the man...too bad.

we should trade this guy asap.

- Rondo - some of his turnovers are just horrible this season, as well as decision making in general, as well as shot selection.

the shot selection i'm not surprised by. but the turnovers that he has had just look ugly. most of 'em are turds disguised as passes. like the one as soon as Zeller came in against the bulls, Zeller had 3 guys around him down the middle of the lane, Rondo still bounce-passed it to him, the pass had no chance...but I chalk it up to Rondo's confidence in he and Zeller's chemistry.

Rondo to me looks like a great player playing on a bad team.

- couple other things. why is Turner the PG and Pressey the SG on some possessions? and Pressey there is a reason you're wide open on most plays...

again we ran a play against the bulls to get Pressey a shot....? with Turner at the PG? no one sees a problem with this?

the only thing I can guess is BS is being asked to coach this team this way. because if this is legit coaching and philosophy? we're in trouble.   

KO should have 20-30 shots a game? Did you watch last night when he tried to force up bad shot after bad shot. He gets open from good ball movement and an occasional pump fake and drive. He's not an isolation player and wanting him to shoot that much is not realistic.

Jeff Green's problem is a high handle. If he ever got a better handle he could take over the offense more often. The only time he looks good with the ball is when he takes those two gigantic steps to the hole.

[GreenWarrior]

Rondo is hardly the problem, he's some of the problem in that this is a bad roster and we have a bad understanding of how to utilize it to it's best advantage.

- AB - needs to be less of a focus on the offensive end.

- KO - needs to get more shots(the shots that AB is taking) and shoot more, esp. if they insist on starting him...at center. KO needs to have at least 20-30 shots a game otherwise there is no reason to play him at all.

against the bulls KO had 2 fouls before he even had a shot attempt. that should not happen! he should have had 3 shot attempts by that time! his offense is the only reason for playing him(much less start him) at all....GET HIM THE [dang] BALL!!!

opposing teams have no problem going right at KO as soon as they get off the bus. why do we have a problem looking his way out of the gate? what's the point of KO starting; knowing he pretty much has 2 fouls on him before he even steps on the court? someone please tell me what's his purpose?

- Zeller - needs to start. esp. if they're not going to make KO the weapon he should be. plus he has chemistry with Rondo. and he's not a complete push over on D.

- Turner - needs to never play PG again. this guy needs some discipline to his game, he's erratic.

- Green - lol, when this guy scores 20 all I think is why didn't he have 30? he's so freaking talented imo, but he just doesn't have it in him to be the man...too bad.

we should trade this guy asap.

- Rondo - some of his turnovers are just horrible this season, as well as decision making in general, as well as shot selection.

the shot selection i'm not surprised by. but the turnovers that he has had just look ugly. most of 'em are turds disguised as passes. like the one as soon as Zeller came in against the bulls, Zeller had 3 guys around him down the middle of the lane, Rondo still bounce-passed it to him, the pass had no chance...but I chalk it up to Rondo's confidence in he and Zeller's chemistry.

Rondo to me looks like a great player playing on a bad team.

- couple other things. why is Turner the PG and Pressey the SG on some possessions? and Pressey there is a reason you're wide open on most plays...

again we ran a play against the bulls to get Pressey a shot....? with Turner at the PG? no one sees a problem with this?

the only thing I can guess is BS is being asked to coach this team this way. because if this is legit coaching and philosophy? we're in trouble.   

KO should have 20-30 shots a game? Did you watch last night when he tried to force up bad shot after bad shot. He gets open from good ball movement and an occasional pump fake and drive. He's not an isolation player and wanting him to shoot that much is not realistic.

Jeff Green's problem is a high handle. If he ever got a better handle he could take over the offense more often. The only time he looks good with the ball is when he takes those two gigantic steps to the hole.

I don't disagree with any of that. with KO my suggestion of him shooting more and getting 20-30 shots a game is simply to justify us even playing him at all. at least if he's doing that, the guys defending him have to play both ends of the court. otherwise there is no reason to play him at all as his defense is no where near what his offense is.

[KeepRondo]

Rondo is hardly the problem, he's some of the problem in that this is a bad roster and we have a bad understanding of how to utilize it to it's best advantage.

- AB - needs to be less of a focus on the offensive end.

- KO - needs to get more shots(the shots that AB is taking) and shoot more, esp. if they insist on starting him...at center. KO needs to have at least 20-30 shots a game otherwise there is no reason to play him at all.

against the bulls KO had 2 fouls before he even had a shot attempt. that should not happen! he should have had 3 shot attempts by that time! his offense is the only reason for playing him(much less start him) at all....GET HIM THE [dang] BALL!!!

opposing teams have no problem going right at KO as soon as they get off the bus. why do we have a problem looking his way out of the gate? what's the point of KO starting; knowing he pretty much has 2 fouls on him before he even steps on the court? someone please tell me what's his purpose?

- Zeller - needs to start. esp. if they're not going to make KO the weapon he should be. plus he has chemistry with Rondo. and he's not a complete push over on D.

- Turner - needs to never play PG again. this guy needs some discipline to his game, he's erratic.

- Green - lol, when this guy scores 20 all I think is why didn't he have 30? he's so freaking talented imo, but he just doesn't have it in him to be the man...too bad.

we should trade this guy asap.

- Rondo - some of his turnovers are just horrible this season, as well as decision making in general, as well as shot selection.

the shot selection i'm not surprised by. but the turnovers that he has had just look ugly. most of 'em are turds disguised as passes. like the one as soon as Zeller came in against the bulls, Zeller had 3 guys around him down the middle of the lane, Rondo still bounce-passed it to him, the pass had no chance...but I chalk it up to Rondo's confidence in he and Zeller's chemistry.

Rondo to me looks like a great player playing on a bad team.

- couple other things. why is Turner the PG and Pressey the SG on some possessions? and Pressey there is a reason you're wide open on most plays...

again we ran a play against the bulls to get Pressey a shot....? with Turner at the PG? no one sees a problem with this?

the only thing I can guess is BS is being asked to coach this team this way. because if this is legit coaching and philosophy? we're in trouble.   

KO should have 20-30 shots a game? Did you watch last night when he tried to force up bad shot after bad shot. He gets open from good ball movement and an occasional pump fake and drive. He's not an isolation player and wanting him to shoot that much is not realistic.

Jeff Green's problem is a high handle. If he ever got a better handle he could take over the offense more often. The only time he looks good with the ball is when he takes those two gigantic steps to the hole.

I don't disagree with any of that. with KO my suggestion of him shooting more and getting 20-30 shots a game is simply to justify us even playing him at all. at least if he's doing that, the guys defending him have to play both ends of the court. otherwise there is no reason to play him at all as his defense is no where near what his offense is.

I think he needs to work on a faster release cause it seems if he's rushed, he won't shoot it. He did take one rushed three last night which he bricked. But I do agree with you. He needs to take the threes when he's open. I think our best games are when he's stretching the court and hitting threes.

[blink]

People blame Rondo, because they don't like him as a player and refuse to accept that basketball is a team sport that requires 5 guys doing their job to win games, especially in the NBA.  Lots of the players on our team don't have a full arsenal of NBA level skills and thus Rondo gets blamed for everything.

[clover]

Rondo is hardly the problem, he's some of the problem in that this is a bad roster and we have a bad understanding of how to utilize it to it's best advantage.

- AB - needs to be less of a focus on the offensive end.

- KO - needs to get more shots(the shots that AB is taking) and shoot more, esp. if they insist on starting him...at center. KO needs to have at least 20-30 shots a game otherwise there is no reason to play him at all.

against the bulls KO had 2 fouls before he even had a shot attempt. that should not happen! he should have had 3 shot attempts by that time! his offense is the only reason for playing him(much less start him) at all....GET HIM THE [dang] BALL!!!

opposing teams have no problem going right at KO as soon as they get off the bus. why do we have a problem looking his way out of the gate? what's the point of KO starting; knowing he pretty much has 2 fouls on him before he even steps on the court? someone please tell me what's his purpose?

- Zeller - needs to start. esp. if they're not going to make KO the weapon he should be. plus he has chemistry with Rondo. and he's not a complete push over on D.

- Turner - needs to never play PG again. this guy needs some discipline to his game, he's erratic.

- Green - lol, when this guy scores 20 all I think is why didn't he have 30? he's so freaking talented imo, but he just doesn't have it in him to be the man...too bad.

we should trade this guy asap.

- Rondo - some of his turnovers are just horrible this season, as well as decision making in general, as well as shot selection.

the shot selection i'm not surprised by. but the turnovers that he has had just look ugly. most of 'em are turds disguised as passes. like the one as soon as Zeller came in against the bulls, Zeller had 3 guys around him down the middle of the lane, Rondo still bounce-passed it to him, the pass had no chance...but I chalk it up to Rondo's confidence in he and Zeller's chemistry.

Rondo to me looks like a great player playing on a bad team.

- couple other things. why is Turner the PG and Pressey the SG on some possessions? and Pressey there is a reason you're wide open on most plays...

again we ran a play against the bulls to get Pressey a shot....? with Turner at the PG? no one sees a problem with this?

the only thing I can guess is BS is being asked to coach this team this way. because if this is legit coaching and philosophy? we're in trouble.   

KO should have 20-30 shots a game? Did you watch last night when he tried to force up bad shot after bad shot. He gets open from good ball movement and an occasional pump fake and drive. He's not an isolation player and wanting him to shoot that much is not realistic.

Jeff Green's problem is a high handle. If he ever got a better handle he could take over the offense more often. The only time he looks good with the ball is when he takes those two gigantic steps to the hole.

I don't disagree with any of that. with KO my suggestion of him shooting more and getting 20-30 shots a game is simply to justify us even playing him at all. at least if he's doing that, the guys defending him have to play both ends of the court. otherwise there is no reason to play him at all as his defense is no where near what his offense is.

I think he needs to work on a faster release cause it seems if he's rushed, he won't shoot it. He did take one rushed three last night which he bricked. But I do agree with you. He needs to take the threes when he's open. I think our best games are when he's stretching the court and hitting threes.

I've been a KO fan, but just as Rondo could probably use the services of a team shrink to address his FTs and crunch-time play, KO should probably be scheduled with the same sports psychologist to address his offensive assertiveness.

[obnoxiousmime]

I'm not a Rondo fanboy but I'll say this in his defense: Melo for all his scoring prowess can't get the Knicks out of the lottery in a putrid East, and few would say Melo's not worth a max deal. Very few players actually have a huge 5-10 win impact on a team.

Anyway, it's the age-old dilemma. Do you pay the guy who is a star but with obvious flaws a max deal when it might limit your team's ceiling in the future? This is where the max deal limits hurt teams without a super-superstar. If you're lucky enough to have one of the top stars, you can pay them the max no problem, while desperate teams have to pay their lesser "stars" the same money because the alternative is no stars at all.

The upcoming salary cap jump might make it a moot point but the problem then is everybody is going to have cap space, including teams that are already good. They'll be able to add an extra star and bad teams like the Celtics will be fighting over the scraps left over, only with so much available space out there those guys will be massively overpaid. If almost every team is 20 million under the cap in 2016, what would a free agent like Jeff Green get?

[blink]

I'm not a Rondo fanboy but I'll say this in his defense: Melo for all his scoring prowess can't get the Knicks out of the lottery in a putrid East, and few would say Melo's not worth a max deal. Very few players actually have a huge 5-10 win impact on a team.

Exactly.  The thing that people are missing, is that basketball is a team sport.  You need other good players to win.  There are so many examples of great players being on bad teams and wanting to get traded to contenders because they couldn't even get them to the playoffs.  If it was so easy for 1 great player to put a team on their back, then it would have been done over and over again.  But it hardly ever happens. 

Expecting a pass first point guard to do that is kind of insane.

[Chris22]

I'm not a Rondo fanboy but I'll say this in his defense: Melo for all his scoring prowess can't get the Knicks out of the lottery in a putrid East, and few would say Melo's not worth a max deal. Very few players actually have a huge 5-10 win impact on a team.

Exactly.  The thing I don't understand about all this, is that basketball is a team sport.  There are so many examples of great players being on bad teams and wanting to get traded to contenders because they couldn't even get them to the playoffs.  If it was so easy for 1 great player to put a team on their back, then it would have been done over and over again.  But it hardly ever happens. 

Expecting a pass first point guard to do that is kind of insane.

Rondo is not a great player at this point in his career.

He is a below average point guard.

[Celtics4ever]

I know a certain played that played at a relatively high level yesterday that choked on two free throws and played like crap the final two minutes.   This same player kept us in the game and was walked all over the boards by Noah and Gasol and played his usual below par D.

He deserves as much blame as Rondo, which is as people say is a team sport.

[Roy H.]

Rondo doesn't deserve exclusive blame, and it would be great if fans in general weren't so reactionary.  However, that's the world we live in, and when a player plays poorly, he's going to get criticism.

I think Rondo's faults are exaggerated by some his critics, which counterbalances the exaggerations of his strengths by some of his supporters.

[Celtics18]

Rondo doesn't deserve exclusive blame, and it would be great if fans in general weren't so reactionary.  However, that's the world we live in, and when a player plays poorly, he's going to get criticism.

I think Rondo's faults are exaggerated by some his critics, which counterbalances the exaggerations of his strengths by some of his supporters.

It's probably no surprise that as one of his supporters, I disagree with your last comment.  If you look at comments by posters like myself and BBallTim and other posters around here who have consistently defended Rondo, I think you'll have a hard time coming up with a lot of comments about how he is a "superstar" in the vein of Lebron James, Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, or Michael Jordan.

On the other hand, it seems that many of his detractors are dismayed because he has never lived up to those kinds of expectations, expectations that nobody has ever placed on him to begin with. 

Personally, I see it as my role sometimes to point out the good in Rajon Rondo's game.  There certainly are enough people around who are willing to point out the bad, often in posts filled with capital letters, exclamation points, and angry invectives.  My willingness to point out the good things that our point guard has accomplished doesn't mean that I don't recognize the flaws in his game.   

[pearljammer10]

Rondo doesn't deserve exclusive blame, and it would be great if fans in general weren't so reactionary.  However, that's the world we live in, and when a player plays poorly, he's going to get criticism.

I think Rondo's faults are exaggerated by some his critics, which counterbalances the exaggerations of his strengths by some of his supporters.

It's probably no surprise that as one of his supporters, I disagree with your last comment.  If you look at comments by posters like myself and BBallTim and other posters around here who have consistently defended Rondo, I think you'll have a hard time coming up with a lot of comments about how he is a "superstar" in the vein of Lebron James, Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, or Michael Jordan.

On the other hand, it seems that many of his detractors are dismayed because he has never lived up to those kinds of expectations, expectations that nobody has ever placed on him to begin with. 

Personally, I see it as my role sometimes to point out the good in Rajon Rondo's game.  There certainly are enough people around who are willing to point out the bad, often in posts filled with capital letters, exclamation points, and angry invectives.  My willingness to point out the good things that our point guard has accomplished doesn't mean that I don't recognize the flaws in his game.   

I've been a huge Rondo supporter through all his ups and downs. I think that the ones who do point out his flaws completely over exaggerate them, more so than the supporters who support and preach his game. Like you I understand his flaws. I feel like many posters whom bash his flaws don't even pay attention to his many positives.

[LarBrd33]

He deserves some blame because there is debate over whether not his a max contract player or not, by the way he is playing i don't even think he is worth 8 figures.  At this point I believe putting good players around Sullinger and Smart is better than putting good players around Rondo.  Its not just this season either, rondo has constantly been a helpless liability in the forth quarter in his entire career.  if you still remember the 08 finals, we had to sit rondo in the 4th quarter for Eddie House or else we might of lost.  Rondo hasn't even been the best player in the current group, so far it has been Sullinger, Green, Smart, Bradley/Rondo

I would like to see us start Turner, Smart, Green, Olynyk, and Sullinger.

Trade Rondo for a rim protector.

Can't see anyone giving up a rim protector for rondo.  I mean... Maybe Roy hibbert, but Bird isn't that stupid.

More and more I think this rondo show ends in the offseason when Rondo signs with another team.  Knicks are the front runner. They love overpaying overrated players. 

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Rondo fan club

Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau laughed when asked if the Rajon Rondo he sees now has returned to the level of the pre-ACL surgery Rondo.

“Oh yeah. His game is so unique. He still has the speed, but it’s really the vision and decision-making,” said the former Celtics associate coach. “He’s so smart. He understands everything going on on the floor. He understands the strengths and weaknesses of his teammates, the opponent. He understands coverages better than anybody and where the holes in those coverages are.

“Rondo is Rondo, an amazing player, an offense to himself. His vision and decision-making are things you can’t teach. Having been here with him and watching the plays he makes, he’s still amazing when I watch him on film. He’s dealt with injuries and got past them. Rondo’s career here has been interesting because he started in rebuilding, and then they made the championship run, and now they’re starting over again, and he’s the veteran and the leader.”

THIS was from today in the Boston Herald....so many here put all the losses on Rondo...as if all of a sudden it is not a team sport. No game actually is only of the free throws...How did a 19 point lead shrink to a one point game....It is not the one man who let this happen. You blame him for everything as if he is the only one on the court. any missed shot and no one seems to be able to fight for a rebound. The only settle for what the defense allows them. Is that how Rodman made a living ? was he a genius ? do you WANT the BALL ? Or are you just going through the motions?

[Meadowlark_Scal]

So WHO here is more qualified than Tom Thiboduea ? Who knows more than him ? kobe Bryant said the same thing, as did Carmelo Anthony, and many other pro players and coaches, yet some here are the experts...Oh it is all Rondo, he did this and didn't do that......
sure..you must be right.....