Stood behind this team too long!!!

[Chris22]

Why?

Really it is quite simple....in the NBA in the 4th quarter, your best player has the ball in his hands and is expected to make plays and shots.

If you are going to say that Rondo is our best player, then you also should expect him to be THAT GUY.  And he can't be THAT GUY because he CAN'T SHOOT.

More importantly, in the 4th quarter, teams that win have guys that can draw fouls and get to the line.  Our best player, who always has the ball, not only doesn't get to the line but when he does, shoots FTs worse than a bad high school player.

Being 30% from the line is inexcusable.  Sorry.  And that is KILLLING  this team.

There are many different problems that are KILLING this team. Rondo from the line is just one of them.

How many threads have been lamenting our lack of a rim protector? Pretty much everyone agrees that this team doesn't have an acceptable starting center.

Rondo played well in the Portland game, but Bradley,Sullinger, and Green were a collective 5-21 from 3 point land. Bradley and Sullinger have both been very inconsistent from deep in the early going.

Olynyk's been useless the last several games outside the 3rd quarter in Memphis. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost his starting spot to Bass who's outplayed him lately.

Any time Turner and Pressey come in and don't kill us, that's like found money.

Now Rondo isn't an ISO guy, and he was miserable in the 4th quarter today, but this practice of scapegoating player du jour after every loss has already gotten tired, and it's only November.

Spot on about Turner and Pressey. I cringe every time Pressey shots a 3. I think he missed 2 in a row in that fourth quarter. There has to be a better backup point guard available then what we have. The guy shoots 25 percent and not afraid to shoot crucial shots.

There is a better backup PG. He's sitting right now with an ankle injury.

But why is Pressey even on this team? There has to better players that got cut from other teams better then him.

Because Pressey is a good backup point guard.
He plays especially well with Olynyk.

How can you say a 25 percent shooter is a good backup?

And if he only plays well with Olynyk and not other players, then maybe that's saying more about Olynyk then Phil.

The team is a plus 5.9 with Pressey on the court.

He is a very good backup point guard.

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415BOS.HTM

Olynyk had a much better +- then Sullinger yesterday. Yet Olynyk had a terrible game and Sullinger had the best game. Did they mess up the +- or is it maybe over rated?

Team PERs show who makes his teammates better.

Pressey is a good backup point guard and it shows in the numbers.

Pressey is a undersized borderline nba player, and you can quote every mis-used stat you want and that doesn't change the truth.

It is always funny to see how people react when the facts don't fit their worldview.

[KeepRondo]

Why?

Really it is quite simple....in the NBA in the 4th quarter, your best player has the ball in his hands and is expected to make plays and shots.

If you are going to say that Rondo is our best player, then you also should expect him to be THAT GUY.  And he can't be THAT GUY because he CAN'T SHOOT.

More importantly, in the 4th quarter, teams that win have guys that can draw fouls and get to the line.  Our best player, who always has the ball, not only doesn't get to the line but when he does, shoots FTs worse than a bad high school player.

Being 30% from the line is inexcusable.  Sorry.  And that is KILLLING  this team.

There are many different problems that are KILLING this team. Rondo from the line is just one of them.

How many threads have been lamenting our lack of a rim protector? Pretty much everyone agrees that this team doesn't have an acceptable starting center.

Rondo played well in the Portland game, but Bradley,Sullinger, and Green were a collective 5-21 from 3 point land. Bradley and Sullinger have both been very inconsistent from deep in the early going.

Olynyk's been useless the last several games outside the 3rd quarter in Memphis. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost his starting spot to Bass who's outplayed him lately.

Any time Turner and Pressey come in and don't kill us, that's like found money.

Now Rondo isn't an ISO guy, and he was miserable in the 4th quarter today, but this practice of scapegoating player du jour after every loss has already gotten tired, and it's only November.

Spot on about Turner and Pressey. I cringe every time Pressey shots a 3. I think he missed 2 in a row in that fourth quarter. There has to be a better backup point guard available then what we have. The guy shoots 25 percent and not afraid to shoot crucial shots.

There is a better backup PG. He's sitting right now with an ankle injury.

But why is Pressey even on this team? There has to better players that got cut from other teams better then him.

Because Pressey is a good backup point guard.
He plays especially well with Olynyk.

How can you say a 25 percent shooter is a good backup?

And if he only plays well with Olynyk and not other players, then maybe that's saying more about Olynyk then Phil.

The team is a plus 5.9 with Pressey on the court.

He is a very good backup point guard.

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415BOS.HTM

Olynyk had a much better +- then Sullinger yesterday. Yet Olynyk had a terrible game and Sullinger had the best game. Did they mess up the +- or is it maybe over rated?

Team PERs show who makes his teammates better.

Pressey is a good backup point guard and it shows in the numbers.

Pressey is a undersized borderline nba player, and you can quote every mis-used stat you want and that doesn't change the truth.

It is always funny to see how people react when the facts don't fit their worldview.

Since when is debating Pressey's NBA credentials considered a worldview opinion. Get over yourself dude.

[DesertDweller]

Your dogged persistence and loyalty sure are admirable, DesertDweller.  It is quite an accomplishment that you managed to stand behind this team for a whole twelve games.

You missed the point and time frame entirely, Celtics18.  first of all I have been a C's fan before the Bird era but this is my first year posting on this forum.  when I referred to "this team" I meant the team of the Brad Stevens era.
I made one huge error when I said this team could win with the players we currently had on the roster.  that mistake was, I had placed Rondo into an elite position with PP and KG and man was I wrong!!!  Rondo is what's holding this team back and the sooner he's traded the better.  not just for what elite player he might bring to this team but it would cut down on all the missed passes, errors and lost games this guy has caused. Rondo is finished and can no longer make the passes he once could and his shooting all around, from FG% to FT% has gone straight down hill. actually, Danny should have pulled the trigger a long time ago on Rajon because he probably will not get us anything and now he's got his hooks deep in Stevens!!!

[D.o.s.]

Why?

Really it is quite simple....in the NBA in the 4th quarter, your best player has the ball in his hands and is expected to make plays and shots.

If you are going to say that Rondo is our best player, then you also should expect him to be THAT GUY.  And he can't be THAT GUY because he CAN'T SHOOT.

More importantly, in the 4th quarter, teams that win have guys that can draw fouls and get to the line.  Our best player, who always has the ball, not only doesn't get to the line but when he does, shoots FTs worse than a bad high school player.

Being 30% from the line is inexcusable.  Sorry.  And that is KILLLING  this team.

There are many different problems that are KILLING this team. Rondo from the line is just one of them.

How many threads have been lamenting our lack of a rim protector? Pretty much everyone agrees that this team doesn't have an acceptable starting center.

Rondo played well in the Portland game, but Bradley,Sullinger, and Green were a collective 5-21 from 3 point land. Bradley and Sullinger have both been very inconsistent from deep in the early going.

Olynyk's been useless the last several games outside the 3rd quarter in Memphis. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost his starting spot to Bass who's outplayed him lately.

Any time Turner and Pressey come in and don't kill us, that's like found money.

Now Rondo isn't an ISO guy, and he was miserable in the 4th quarter today, but this practice of scapegoating player du jour after every loss has already gotten tired, and it's only November.

Spot on about Turner and Pressey. I cringe every time Pressey shots a 3. I think he missed 2 in a row in that fourth quarter. There has to be a better backup point guard available then what we have. The guy shoots 25 percent and not afraid to shoot crucial shots.

There is a better backup PG. He's sitting right now with an ankle injury.

But why is Pressey even on this team? There has to better players that got cut from other teams better then him.

Because Pressey is a good backup point guard.
He plays especially well with Olynyk.

How can you say a 25 percent shooter is a good backup?

And if he only plays well with Olynyk and not other players, then maybe that's saying more about Olynyk then Phil.

The team is a plus 5.9 with Pressey on the court.

He is a very good backup point guard.

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415BOS.HTM

Olynyk had a much better +- then Sullinger yesterday. Yet Olynyk had a terrible game and Sullinger had the best game. Did they mess up the +- or is it maybe over rated?

Team PERs show who makes his teammates better.

Pressey is a good backup point guard and it shows in the numbers.

Pressey is a undersized borderline nba player, and you can quote every mis-used stat you want and that doesn't change the truth.

It is always funny to see how people react when the facts don't fit their worldview.

Typically it's by ignoring them and/or copying and pasted data that's completely devoid of context.

[Celtics18]

Your dogged persistence and loyalty sure are admirable, DesertDweller.  It is quite an accomplishment that you managed to stand behind this team for a whole twelve games.

You missed the point and time frame entirely, Celtics18.  first of all I have been a C's fan before the Bird era but this is my first year posting on this forum.  when I referred to "this team" I meant the team of the Brad Stevens era.
I made one huge error when I said this team could win with the players we currently had on the roster.  that mistake was, I had placed Rondo into an elite position with PP and KG and man was I wrong!!!  Rondo is what's holding this team back and the sooner he's traded the better.  not just for what elite player he might bring to this team but it would cut down on all the missed passes, errors and lost games this guy has caused. Rondo is finished and can no longer make the passes he once could and his shooting all around, from FG% to FT% has gone straight down hill. actually, Danny should have pulled the trigger a long time ago on Rajon because he probably will not get us anything and now he's got his hooks deep in Stevens!!!

Sorry for the misunderstanding. 

I love your analysis.  You seem so rational. 

[PickNRoll]

Why?

Really it is quite simple....in the NBA in the 4th quarter, your best player has the ball in his hands and is expected to make plays and shots.

If you are going to say that Rondo is our best player, then you also should expect him to be THAT GUY.  And he can't be THAT GUY because he CAN'T SHOOT.

More importantly, in the 4th quarter, teams that win have guys that can draw fouls and get to the line.  Our best player, who always has the ball, not only doesn't get to the line but when he does, shoots FTs worse than a bad high school player.

Being 30% from the line is inexcusable.  Sorry.  And that is KILLLING  this team.

There are many different problems that are KILLING this team. Rondo from the line is just one of them.

How many threads have been lamenting our lack of a rim protector? Pretty much everyone agrees that this team doesn't have an acceptable starting center.

Rondo played well in the Portland game, but Bradley,Sullinger, and Green were a collective 5-21 from 3 point land. Bradley and Sullinger have both been very inconsistent from deep in the early going.

Olynyk's been useless the last several games outside the 3rd quarter in Memphis. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost his starting spot to Bass who's outplayed him lately.

Any time Turner and Pressey come in and don't kill us, that's like found money.

Now Rondo isn't an ISO guy, and he was miserable in the 4th quarter today, but this practice of scapegoating player du jour after every loss has already gotten tired, and it's only November.

Spot on about Turner and Pressey. I cringe every time Pressey shots a 3. I think he missed 2 in a row in that fourth quarter. There has to be a better backup point guard available then what we have. The guy shoots 25 percent and not afraid to shoot crucial shots.

There is a better backup PG. He's sitting right now with an ankle injury.

But why is Pressey even on this team? There has to better players that got cut from other teams better then him.

Because Pressey is a good backup point guard.
He plays especially well with Olynyk.

How can you say a 25 percent shooter is a good backup?

And if he only plays well with Olynyk and not other players, then maybe that's saying more about Olynyk then Phil.

The team is a plus 5.9 with Pressey on the court.

He is a very good backup point guard.

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415BOS.HTM

Olynyk had a much better +- then Sullinger yesterday. Yet Olynyk had a terrible game and Sullinger had the best game. Did they mess up the +- or is it maybe over rated?

Team PERs show who makes his teammates better.

Pressey is a good backup point guard and it shows in the numbers.

Pressey is a undersized borderline nba player, and you can quote every mis-used stat you want and that doesn't change the truth.

It is always funny to see how people react when the facts don't fit their worldview.

It's funny how people confuse stats with facts.

[ronaldo943]

Please don't take your talents to south beach.

[Chris22]

Why?

Really it is quite simple....in the NBA in the 4th quarter, your best player has the ball in his hands and is expected to make plays and shots.

If you are going to say that Rondo is our best player, then you also should expect him to be THAT GUY.  And he can't be THAT GUY because he CAN'T SHOOT.

More importantly, in the 4th quarter, teams that win have guys that can draw fouls and get to the line.  Our best player, who always has the ball, not only doesn't get to the line but when he does, shoots FTs worse than a bad high school player.

Being 30% from the line is inexcusable.  Sorry.  And that is KILLLING  this team.

There are many different problems that are KILLING this team. Rondo from the line is just one of them.

How many threads have been lamenting our lack of a rim protector? Pretty much everyone agrees that this team doesn't have an acceptable starting center.

Rondo played well in the Portland game, but Bradley,Sullinger, and Green were a collective 5-21 from 3 point land. Bradley and Sullinger have both been very inconsistent from deep in the early going.

Olynyk's been useless the last several games outside the 3rd quarter in Memphis. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost his starting spot to Bass who's outplayed him lately.

Any time Turner and Pressey come in and don't kill us, that's like found money.

Now Rondo isn't an ISO guy, and he was miserable in the 4th quarter today, but this practice of scapegoating player du jour after every loss has already gotten tired, and it's only November.

Spot on about Turner and Pressey. I cringe every time Pressey shots a 3. I think he missed 2 in a row in that fourth quarter. There has to be a better backup point guard available then what we have. The guy shoots 25 percent and not afraid to shoot crucial shots.

There is a better backup PG. He's sitting right now with an ankle injury.

But why is Pressey even on this team? There has to better players that got cut from other teams better then him.

Because Pressey is a good backup point guard.
He plays especially well with Olynyk.

How can you say a 25 percent shooter is a good backup?

And if he only plays well with Olynyk and not other players, then maybe that's saying more about Olynyk then Phil.

The team is a plus 5.9 with Pressey on the court.

He is a very good backup point guard.

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415BOS.HTM

Olynyk had a much better +- then Sullinger yesterday. Yet Olynyk had a terrible game and Sullinger had the best game. Did they mess up the +- or is it maybe over rated?

Team PERs show who makes his teammates better.

Pressey is a good backup point guard and it shows in the numbers.

Pressey is a undersized borderline nba player, and you can quote every mis-used stat you want and that doesn't change the truth.

It is always funny to see how people react when the facts don't fit their worldview.

It's funny how people confuse stats with facts.

Post of the year.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Did Stevens say we were going to win a ton of games this year?  No.  Did Ainge?  No.  Is it realistic to think that we were going to?  No. Because the Suns were supposed to be a bad team last year and then were good, is it realistic to think any bad team can suddenly be good like that?  No.  Does this song from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory sound like a lot of Celtics fans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4

Yes.  Especially the "Don't care how, I want it now!" part.  I'm surprised I don't see that as a forum topic title on the side panel right now.

We will be a decent team by 2018.  Let's be realistic about the talent on this team.  At least they're fun to watch!

[PickNRoll]

Why?

Really it is quite simple....in the NBA in the 4th quarter, your best player has the ball in his hands and is expected to make plays and shots.

If you are going to say that Rondo is our best player, then you also should expect him to be THAT GUY.  And he can't be THAT GUY because he CAN'T SHOOT.

More importantly, in the 4th quarter, teams that win have guys that can draw fouls and get to the line.  Our best player, who always has the ball, not only doesn't get to the line but when he does, shoots FTs worse than a bad high school player.

Being 30% from the line is inexcusable.  Sorry.  And that is KILLLING  this team.

There are many different problems that are KILLING this team. Rondo from the line is just one of them.

How many threads have been lamenting our lack of a rim protector? Pretty much everyone agrees that this team doesn't have an acceptable starting center.

Rondo played well in the Portland game, but Bradley,Sullinger, and Green were a collective 5-21 from 3 point land. Bradley and Sullinger have both been very inconsistent from deep in the early going.

Olynyk's been useless the last several games outside the 3rd quarter in Memphis. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost his starting spot to Bass who's outplayed him lately.

Any time Turner and Pressey come in and don't kill us, that's like found money.

Now Rondo isn't an ISO guy, and he was miserable in the 4th quarter today, but this practice of scapegoating player du jour after every loss has already gotten tired, and it's only November.

Spot on about Turner and Pressey. I cringe every time Pressey shots a 3. I think he missed 2 in a row in that fourth quarter. There has to be a better backup point guard available then what we have. The guy shoots 25 percent and not afraid to shoot crucial shots.

There is a better backup PG. He's sitting right now with an ankle injury.

But why is Pressey even on this team? There has to better players that got cut from other teams better then him.

Because Pressey is a good backup point guard.
He plays especially well with Olynyk.

How can you say a 25 percent shooter is a good backup?

And if he only plays well with Olynyk and not other players, then maybe that's saying more about Olynyk then Phil.

The team is a plus 5.9 with Pressey on the court.

He is a very good backup point guard.

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415BOS.HTM

Olynyk had a much better +- then Sullinger yesterday. Yet Olynyk had a terrible game and Sullinger had the best game. Did they mess up the +- or is it maybe over rated?

Team PERs show who makes his teammates better.

Pressey is a good backup point guard and it shows in the numbers.

Pressey is a undersized borderline nba player, and you can quote every mis-used stat you want and that doesn't change the truth.

It is always funny to see how people react when the facts don't fit their worldview.

Typically it's by ignoring them and/or copying and pasted data that's completely devoid of context.

Here's some fun copy pasted data that's void of context for you statheads.

Player	FG%	Pts	Reb	Ast	Stl
A	0.437	13.2	3.5	4.2	1.2
B	0.49	20.6	3.3	7.5	1.8
C	0.447	18.3	4.9	5.5	1.7
D	0.408	21.4	3.1	8.1	0.7
E	0.468	22	6.9	3.3	1.1
F	0.495	20.8	12.1	2.1	0.6
G	0.467	19.7	3	7.1	1.9

TP to the first person who can answer any of these correctly.
1. Pick the 2 Hall of Famers
2. Pick the 2 Celtics
3. Pick the guy who never made an all-star team.

I can add PER if you think that'll help you, lol.

[Nerf DPOY]

Why?

Really it is quite simple....in the NBA in the 4th quarter, your best player has the ball in his hands and is expected to make plays and shots.

If you are going to say that Rondo is our best player, then you also should expect him to be THAT GUY.  And he can't be THAT GUY because he CAN'T SHOOT.

More importantly, in the 4th quarter, teams that win have guys that can draw fouls and get to the line.  Our best player, who always has the ball, not only doesn't get to the line but when he does, shoots FTs worse than a bad high school player.

Being 30% from the line is inexcusable.  Sorry.  And that is KILLLING  this team.

There are many different problems that are KILLING this team. Rondo from the line is just one of them.

How many threads have been lamenting our lack of a rim protector? Pretty much everyone agrees that this team doesn't have an acceptable starting center.

Rondo played well in the Portland game, but Bradley,Sullinger, and Green were a collective 5-21 from 3 point land. Bradley and Sullinger have both been very inconsistent from deep in the early going.

Olynyk's been useless the last several games outside the 3rd quarter in Memphis. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost his starting spot to Bass who's outplayed him lately.

Any time Turner and Pressey come in and don't kill us, that's like found money.

Now Rondo isn't an ISO guy, and he was miserable in the 4th quarter today, but this practice of scapegoating player du jour after every loss has already gotten tired, and it's only November.

Spot on about Turner and Pressey. I cringe every time Pressey shots a 3. I think he missed 2 in a row in that fourth quarter. There has to be a better backup point guard available then what we have. The guy shoots 25 percent and not afraid to shoot crucial shots.

There is a better backup PG. He's sitting right now with an ankle injury.

But why is Pressey even on this team? There has to better players that got cut from other teams better then him.

Because Pressey is a good backup point guard.
He plays especially well with Olynyk.

How can you say a 25 percent shooter is a good backup?

And if he only plays well with Olynyk and not other players, then maybe that's saying more about Olynyk then Phil.

The team is a plus 5.9 with Pressey on the court.

He is a very good backup point guard.

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415BOS.HTM

Olynyk had a much better +- then Sullinger yesterday. Yet Olynyk had a terrible game and Sullinger had the best game. Did they mess up the +- or is it maybe over rated?

Team PERs show who makes his teammates better.

Pressey is a good backup point guard and it shows in the numbers.

Pressey is a undersized borderline nba player, and you can quote every mis-used stat you want and that doesn't change the truth.

It is always funny to see how people react when the facts don't fit their worldview.

Typically it's by ignoring them and/or copying and pasted data that's completely devoid of context.

Here's some fun copy pasted data that's void of context for you statheads.

Player	FG%	Pts	Reb	Ast	Stl
A	0.437	13.2	3.5	4.2	1.2
B	0.49	20.6	3.3	7.5	1.8
C	0.447	18.3	4.9	5.5	1.7
D	0.408	21.4	3.1	8.1	0.7
E	0.468	22	6.9	3.3	1.1
F	0.495	20.8	12.1	2.1	0.6
G	0.467	19.7	3	7.1	1.9

TP to the first person who can answer any of these correctly.
1. Pick the 2 Hall of Famers
2. Pick the 2 Celtics
3. Pick the guy who never made an all-star team.

I can add PER if you think that'll help you, lol.

Is F Moses Malone?

[PickNRoll]

Nerf - negative

[D.o.s.]

I would consider myself a pretty big fan of advanced statistics, when they're used correctly to enhance basketball knowledge...

But without google I have no idea who any of those guys are.

[PickNRoll]

I would consider myself a pretty big fan of advanced statistics, when they're used correctly to enhance basketball knowledge...

But without google I have no idea who any of those guys are.

You don't have to name them.  You just have to pick the 2 hall of famers.  That should be easy enough given the direct correlation between stats and basketball ability, right?   

[D.o.s.]

Ok. I'll assume that the two Hall of Famers also aren't two Celtics, who are also different from the guy who never made it to the All Star Game.

Player D is the player that I'd guess never made an All Star team, and (bonus points) I think it's Stephon Marbury.

I think player A is one of the Hall of Famers, and that Player C is the other one.

The Celtics, I think, are Players F and B