Avery Bradley Sucks

[Rondo9]

Not sure what you're expecting for $8 million a year?

Someone who doesn't look like a complete disaster when you give him the ball and he can't shoot it right away? Is that too much to ask for?

He's not a complete disaster?

Have you seen him trying to dribble, pass or make a layup in traffic?

Yes and it's not as disastrous as you make it out to be

[pearljammer10]

Not sure what you're expecting for $8 million a year?

Someone who doesn't look like a complete disaster when you give him the ball and he can't shoot it right away? Is that too much to ask for?

He's not a complete disaster?

Have you seen him trying to dribble, pass or make a layup in traffic?

Yes and it's not as disastrous as you make it out to be

You might wanna try watching again. He's actually more disastrous then you think.

[Evantime34]

I can see Rondo being re-signed, Bradley being kept, and Smart not cracking the starting lineup until his third or fourth season as one potential outcome.

That's an awfully long way to say "I can see us being a horrible team for the next 5 years".

He is improving at finishing at the rim. Last game he had 3 layups (if I remember) correctly. More importantly he is shooting a career high within 3 feet this year.

His dribbling has gotten slightly better this year but I still never want to see him do anything more than make one move and go to the hoop. At this point he has shown to be a player who is good playing off others shot creation rather than getting his own shot (although he seems to be a ble to get a one dribble pull up off of a screen pretty much anytime he wants.

I don't think he sucks by any means but I'm also not sure he should be our long term starter at the two and might be better served as a sixth man.

[Rondo9]

Not sure what you're expecting for $8 million a year?

Someone who doesn't look like a complete disaster when you give him the ball and he can't shoot it right away? Is that too much to ask for?

He's not a complete disaster?

Have you seen him trying to dribble, pass or make a layup in traffic?

Yes and it's not as disastrous as you make it out to be

You might wanna try watching again. He's actually more disastrous then you think.

I did and he's not as bad as say Thabo, the guy you would trade Bradley for without blinking.

[kozlodoev]

I can see Rondo being re-signed, Bradley being kept, and Smart not cracking the starting lineup until his third or fourth season as one potential outcome.

That's an awfully long way to say "I can see us being a horrible team for the next 5 years".

He is improving at finishing at the rim. Last game he had 3 layups (if I remember) correctly. More importantly he is shooting a career high within 3 feet this year.

His dribbling has gotten slightly better this year but I still never want to see him do anything more than make one move and go to the hoop. At this point he has shown to be a player who is good playing off others shot creation rather than getting his own shot (although he seems to be a ble to get a one dribble pull up off of a screen pretty much anytime he wants.

I don't think he sucks by any means but I'm also not sure he should be our long term starter at the two and might be better served as a sixth man.

I never want to see him go to the hoop with the ball in his hands. He doesn't seem to be able to make a layup if there's anyone within 3 feet of him.

[pearljammer10]

Not sure what you're expecting for $8 million a year?

Someone who doesn't look like a complete disaster when you give him the ball and he can't shoot it right away? Is that too much to ask for?

He's not a complete disaster?

Have you seen him trying to dribble, pass or make a layup in traffic?

Yes and it's not as disastrous as you make it out to be

You might wanna try watching again. He's actually more disastrous then you think.

I did and he's not as bad as say Thabo, the guy you would trade Bradley for without blinking.

Thabo and Bradley's PER are exactly the same. That's fairly pathetic for Bradley then. Thabo also turns the ball over half the time Bradley does. Thabo is a 6 foot 7 shooting guard who plays defense arguably as well as Bradley (I think as well since Bradley isn't the ball hawk he was once known for), has a better basketball IQ can guard three positions with his length and actually knows what to do with the ball when he gets it. He doesn't need the ball to impact the game and he is much cheaper than Bradley. All pluses in my eyes.

[Monkhouse]

Not sure what you're expecting for $8 million a year?

Someone who doesn't look like a complete disaster when you give him the ball and he can't shoot it right away? Is that too much to ask for?

He's not a complete disaster?

Have you seen him trying to dribble, pass or make a layup in traffic?

Yes and it's not as disastrous as you make it out to be

You might wanna try watching again. He's actually more disastrous then you think.

I did and he's not as bad as say Thabo, the guy you would trade Bradley for without blinking.

Thabo and Bradley's PER are exactly the same. That's fairly pathetic for Bradley then. Thabo also turns the ball over half the time Bradley does. Thabo is a 6 foot 7 shooting guard who plays defense arguably as well as Bradley (I think as well since Bradley isn't the ball hawk he was once known for), has a better basketball IQ can guard three positions with his length and actually knows what to do with the ball when he gets it. He doesn't need the ball to impact the game and he is much cheaper than Bradley. All pluses in my eyes.

We're being far too critical on Bradley. Thabo has a far better situation than the Celtics do, and isn't asked to create offense except for defending and shooting 3's.

I'm not a huge fan of AB as I was, but I think we can't determine his true value defensively until we get an Center/defensive anchor inside to at least make players think before trying to finish inside.

[sunnyd656]

What can I say I am done with avery bradley. Sure he can shoot pretty well and we all love his defense but its not worth it. He is not a smart enough player and that's being nice. I cringe when him and bass are out there trying to do to much because I know they're about to turn it over. Whether its dribbling off his foot to end a game or just telegraphing a pass he simply doesn't get it. He's a liability. It's like watching a middle schooler.

For god's sake,  I'm so tired of hearing people whine about the exact same garbage over, and over, and over,  and over...

Every day is the same garbage....Bradley sucks, Rondo sucks, x person sucks, Y person sucks...

If it's so unbearable watching these guys pay then why don't you start supporting the a Bulls?  I hear they have this superstar PG who's been paid nearly 50 million over the past three years to sit on the bench and complain about how his little ankles...because he doesn't want to have pain when hes going to his kids graduation one day!! And you think you have problems?

You have two of the toughest and most loyal two-way guards in the nba on this team and all you do is complain.

How many guards can you name who has made an all defensive team AND has averaged 14-15 PPG at the NBA level?

How many guards do you know who have gotten nearly 10% through the season averaging a mere rebounrd or two away from a triple double?

Thought so.

i feel your pain. my solution is to refuse to get too wrapped up in the ideas of others, when i don't believe the ideas merit much consideration i pass by them. it helps keep my bp down and my mood up. 

since cb does not have an "ignore" button i create one for myself. often i will see a thread title such as "the starting five sucks ping pong balls, why aren't pressey and fav all stars?" and i refuse to go there.

simple.

Just to help you out, there is indeed an ignore option. I use it all the time.

[Billz401]

Oh duh, I read all-star, not all-defense. But that just makes the question easier.

Multiple guards have made all defense averaging way more than 15 ppg. Kobe, Chris Paul, Kidd and Michael Jordan, to name a few.

That is to say, they made all-defense in seasons where they averaged 15+ ppg. Otherwise, I don't think Kidd averaged 15 ppg for his career.

TBH i reread the post like three times after because i thought it said allstar appearances too after your post and felt like a dummy lol

[ballin]

Not sure what you're expecting for $8 million a year?

Someone who doesn't look like a complete disaster when you give him the ball and he can't shoot it right away? Is that too much to ask for?

He's not a complete disaster?

Have you seen him trying to dribble, pass or make a layup in traffic?

Yes and it's not as disastrous as you make it out to be

You might wanna try watching again. He's actually more disastrous then you think.

I did and he's not as bad as say Thabo, the guy you would trade Bradley for without blinking.

Thabo and Bradley's PER are exactly the same. That's fairly pathetic for Bradley then. Thabo also turns the ball over half the time Bradley does. Thabo is a 6 foot 7 shooting guard who plays defense arguably as well as Bradley (I think as well since Bradley isn't the ball hawk he was once known for), has a better basketball IQ can guard three positions with his length and actually knows what to do with the ball when he gets it. He doesn't need the ball to impact the game and he is much cheaper than Bradley. All pluses in my eyes.

Agreed. I said in another thread that "staying in front of your man" is an overrated concept considering that the rules don't allow hand checking anymore and refs will whistle anybody who engages in physical defense. So I'd rather take someone with length, because he's going to alter more shots when he gets a hand up or closes out on you. Sure, Bradley has a quicker footspeed than Sefalosha but defense against penetration is played at the rim these days by shot blockers... not by wing guys. So I'm not really shocked when I look at Thabo's career defensive rating and see that it's better than Bradley's.

[Rondo9]

Not sure what you're expecting for $8 million a year?

Someone who doesn't look like a complete disaster when you give him the ball and he can't shoot it right away? Is that too much to ask for?

He's not a complete disaster?

Have you seen him trying to dribble, pass or make a layup in traffic?

Yes and it's not as disastrous as you make it out to be

You might wanna try watching again. He's actually more disastrous then you think.

I did and he's not as bad as say Thabo, the guy you would trade Bradley for without blinking.

Thabo and Bradley's PER are exactly the same. That's fairly pathetic for Bradley then. Thabo also turns the ball over half the time Bradley does. Thabo is a 6 foot 7 shooting guard who plays defense arguably as well as Bradley (I think as well since Bradley isn't the ball hawk he was once known for), has a better basketball IQ can guard three positions with his length and actually knows what to do with the ball when he gets it. He doesn't need the ball to impact the game and he is much cheaper than Bradley. All pluses in my eyes.

PER is a terrible way to evaluate a player, and Thabo a shell of his former self on offense, which is not saying much. His defense is not that much better either. Bradley is more of a well rounded offensive player and his IQ is similar Thabo. He's a much better off the ball player than Thabo ever was.

[clintonwalker]

My boy AB just made the same exact pass for a turnover in the first quarter against the sixers. This one may have been worse than the last one I complained about. The very next quarter of basketball and has he learned anything?

[Rondo9]

Everytime Bradley makes a mistake, the whole team looked bad though they're only down by 5 right now.