Bradley is an awful starting SG

[Rondo9]

I think Bradley's future with the Celtics is to be the G off the bench with Smart eventually replacing him as the starting SG.  I think Smart's size defensively will be an asset against larger SG while Bradley comes off the bench as the ball pestering defender against either the more tired starter or weaker backup. 


Not a knock on Bradley, but I think the team would eventually be more effective in that setup.

I've been as big of Bradley fan as there is throughout his career but I'm starting to feel this way as well.

Until Smart gets a jump shot or Rondo gets traded. I think Bradley is there to stay in starting lineup.

[Csfan1984]

Watched the game and felt Bradley was the go to guy based on play calling. He wasn't chucking up shots on his own accord. AB is a solid player but this bad team/ tank coaching has him taking too many shots. Got to use Sully and Olynyk in a high low attack. Start running some Grizz plays for the duel bigs.

[Evantime34]

I think AB can be a great defender, I have been pleased by his offensive improvement.   But if I had the chance to trade him straight up for RJ, I think I would consider it.

think Bradley's future with the Celtics is to be the G off the bench with Smart eventually replacing him as the starting SG

Since when do they pay bench players 9 million a year?  I think he was signed to be trade fodder or our starter not come off the bench at 9 mil a year.   It may be his natural place to come off the bench but with that kind of money I do not see it.

The Salary cap is going to increase, over the next few years due to the new tv revenue. By the time Smart is ready to supplant Bradley in the starting lineup $9 MM for a 6th man won't be crazy.

[kozlodoev]

I think AB can be a great defender, I have been pleased by his offensive improvement.   But if I had the chance to trade him straight up for RJ, I think I would consider it.

think Bradley's future with the Celtics is to be the G off the bench with Smart eventually replacing him as the starting SG

Since when do they pay bench players 9 million a year?  I think he was signed to be trade fodder or our starter not come off the bench at 9 mil a year.   It may be his natural place to come off the bench but with that kind of money I do not see it.

The Salary cap is going to increase, over the next few years due to the new tv revenue. By the time Smart is ready to supplant Bradley in the starting lineup $9 MM for a 6th man won't be crazy.

That makes no difference. If he was worth less than his contract at the time of signing, he'll always be overpaid.

[Rondo9]

I think AB can be a great defender, I have been pleased by his offensive improvement.   But if I had the chance to trade him straight up for RJ, I think I would consider it.

think Bradley's future with the Celtics is to be the G off the bench with Smart eventually replacing him as the starting SG

Since when do they pay bench players 9 million a year?  I think he was signed to be trade fodder or our starter not come off the bench at 9 mil a year.   It may be his natural place to come off the bench but with that kind of money I do not see it.

The Salary cap is going to increase, over the next few years due to the new tv revenue. By the time Smart is ready to supplant Bradley in the starting lineup $9 MM for a 6th man won't be crazy.

That makes no difference. If he was worth less than his contract at the time of signing, he'll always be overpaid.

What if he improves?

[D.o.s.]

I think AB can be a great defender, I have been pleased by his offensive improvement.   But if I had the chance to trade him straight up for RJ, I think I would consider it.

think Bradley's future with the Celtics is to be the G off the bench with Smart eventually replacing him as the starting SG

Since when do they pay bench players 9 million a year?  I think he was signed to be trade fodder or our starter not come off the bench at 9 mil a year.   It may be his natural place to come off the bench but with that kind of money I do not see it.

The Salary cap is going to increase, over the next few years due to the new tv revenue. By the time Smart is ready to supplant Bradley in the starting lineup $9 MM for a 6th man won't be crazy.

That makes no difference. If he was worth less than his contract at the time of signing, he'll always be overpaid.

I don't think that's true -- look at Amar'e in New York: there was a stretch there where he was proving that he was worth his $100 million. It was only after he went down with injuries and came back hobbled that you could fairly say he was 'overpaid'

[kozlodoev]

I don't think that's true -- look at Amar'e in New York: there was a stretch there where he was proving that he was worth his $100 million. It was only after he went down with injuries and came back hobbled that you could fairly say he was 'overpaid'

That's not the point. The point is that "overpaid" is always relative to what a player of his caliber could have been had for at the time of the signing of the contract.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I don't think that's true -- look at Amar'e in New York: there was a stretch there where he was proving that he was worth his $100 million. It was only after he went down with injuries and came back hobbled that you could fairly say he was 'overpaid'

That's not the point. The point is that "overpaid" is always relative to what a player of his caliber could have been had for at the time of the signing of the contract.

So, you can say a great majority of the league is overpaid because you have NO IDEA what another team would pay anyone. If you do, you have high ties, you should have sent word to Danny that he was overpaying. I can do exactly what you are doing with every player in the league, guessing but using it as fact.


By "you" I mean a bunch of different people. Would be a long multi-quote.

[kozlodoev]

I don't think that's true -- look at Amar'e in New York: there was a stretch there where he was proving that he was worth his $100 million. It was only after he went down with injuries and came back hobbled that you could fairly say he was 'overpaid'

That's not the point. The point is that "overpaid" is always relative to what a player of his caliber could have been had for at the time of the signing of the contract.

So, you can say a great majority of the league is overpaid because you have NO IDEA what another team would pay anyone. If you do, you have high ties, you should have sent word to Danny that he was overpaying. I can do exactly what you are doing with every player in the league, guessing but using it as fact.

No, from out perspective, we know exactly how much everyone has gotten paid. And given that the field is limited, we have a complete price comparison for Bradley, since we know what league GMs are paying for every player with comparable skill set.

With this in mind, the way to properly evaluate the efficiency of Bradley's contract is to compare it against players who can provide the same contribution in the future who were available at the time of Bradley's signing -- not to the hypothetical price tag of similar players in the future.

[D.o.s.]

I don't think that's true -- look at Amar'e in New York: there was a stretch there where he was proving that he was worth his $100 million. It was only after he went down with injuries and came back hobbled that you could fairly say he was 'overpaid'

That's not the point. The point is that "overpaid" is always relative to what a player of his caliber could have been had for at the time of the signing of the contract.

Aha. Understood and I agree.

[hwangjini_1]

I agree. Bradly is a bench player. But also, Pressey is not an NBA calibar at all. Further, Green is not a championship team player, certainly not a leader. What we have worthy in this team is: Rondo, Sully and Olynyk. Everithing else is an non-playoffs-calibar. We need a trade desperately, excluding Rondo of course.

i don't think many here will argue with your points, but the question is if the celtics roster is essentially filled with fodder, what sorts of trades can the celtics do? this is ainge's dilemma. the draft choices only have so much value.

[Rondo9]

I don't think that's true -- look at Amar'e in New York: there was a stretch there where he was proving that he was worth his $100 million. It was only after he went down with injuries and came back hobbled that you could fairly say he was 'overpaid'

That's not the point. The point is that "overpaid" is always relative to what a player of his caliber could have been had for at the time of the signing of the contract.

So, you can say a great majority of the league is overpaid because you have NO IDEA what another team would pay anyone. If you do, you have high ties, you should have sent word to Danny that he was overpaying. I can do exactly what you are doing with every player in the league, guessing but using it as fact.

No, from out perspective, we know exactly how much everyone has gotten paid. And given that the field is limited, we have a complete price comparison for Bradley, since we know what league GMs are paying for every player with comparable skill set.

With this in mind, the way to properly evaluate the efficiency of Bradley's contract is to compare it against players who can provide the same contribution in the future who were available at the time of Bradley's signing -- not to the hypothetical price tag of similar players in the future.

The Celtics are paying for what they precieve is Bradley's potential if continues to grow like he is right now then it is a good contract.

[Chris22]

If it were me, I'd have James Young starting at the two guard, and I would not have resigned Bradley.

But Ainge said he doesn't believe Young can be a two guard.

[wdleehi]

If it were me, I'd have James Young starting at the two guard, and I would not have resigned Bradley.

But Ainge said he doesn't believe Young can be a two guard.

Young isn't ready.  (much like Smart isn't really ready to start either)


Very few of these young rookies seem to be ready to step out there. 

[pp34isthe1]

well we could have Eric Gordon.

7.7 ppg 2.7 rpg 1.7 apg on 28.8% shooting overall and 16.7% shooting from 3.

3.57 PER in 33.7 MPG.  http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1354710

AB is middle of the pack of starting 2s and provides great defense. 4th or 5th
option on a contender starting would do Avery wonders IMO. Remind you however SG is the weakest position in the NBA. So no i dont think he is that great, but worth the salary.

Back to Gordon for a min, if he was anywhere near the LAC Eric Gordon, NOP would be serious contenders in the Western Conference.