What would it take?

[arctic 3.0]

To pry Roy hibbart away from Indy?
Assuming that bird decides to tank and hibbart is making an all out tank unlikely.
Would Bradley, either sully or Oly and bass expiring be enough?
Throw in the clips or cavs pick?

Is Roy worth it?
Does he push is closer to contention?
Does he help keep RR in green?
Help attract a big FA?

Rondo, turner, green, Oly/sully, hibbart
With smart, thorton, young/Wallace , Zeller of the bench.
I'd say 4th best in east.

[Surferdad]

My quick reaction is that Bird would want Rondo.  Green  Bass etc not elite enough. Both teams would have to want to go in completely differed end directions at the same time. I just don't see it ever happening.

[LarBrd33]

Would the team be better or worse if you traded Rondo straight-up for Hibbert.

[Who]

Rondo

[arctic 3.0]

Please note: Rondo is NOT in the original trade.
One of my specific questions was whether Hibbart would help keep rondo in green?
Don't we have enough rondo trade threads?
But if rondo is what it would take then I say no, sideways move at best.

[Who]

Would the team be better or worse if you traded Rondo straight-up for Hibbert.

Short term? Better with Hibbert. Celtics lots of guard depth. No center. Celtics would be a low seed playoff team with Hibbert.

Long Term? Hmm, I am not sure. Rondo better individual piece. Hibbert though would give team identity and defensive foundation to build around. Helps close the gap some. Then again, I believe Rondo is a much larger draw for free agents. I don't think anybody is coming to Boston to play with Roy Hibbert. I do think some big name players around the league want to play with Rondo. So big name FA acquisitions could be harder to get.

[Endless Paradise]

I don't think it'd take Rondo for the simple fact that Rondo is an impending free agent and if they were to trade away Hibbert, it'd more than likely be for rebuilding purposes.  They'd probably want a draft pick and a young prospect and/or an expiring.

[Smokeeye123]

Would the team be better or worse if you traded Rondo straight-up for Hibbert.

You know after the last win without Rondo I tend to think we might actually be better...Even if Hibbert is overrated, he at least gives us a legit Center and repositions everyone on our roster to their natural positions.

[Surferdad]

I don't think it'd take Rondo for the simple fact that Rondo is an impending free agent and if they were to trade away Hibbert, it'd more than likely be for rebuilding purposes.  They'd probably want a draft pick and a young prospect and/or an expiring.

They would likely also want some height back with Hibbert going out.  Likewise the C's need a pg back with Rondo going out

Rondo and Olynyk for Hibbert and Sloan

[Eddie20]

I don't think it'd take Rondo for the simple fact that Rondo is an impending free agent and if they were to trade away Hibbert, it'd more than likely be for rebuilding purposes.  They'd probably want a draft pick and a young prospect and/or an expiring.

They would likely also want some height back with Hibbert going out.  Likewise the C's need a pg back with Rondo going out

Rondo and Olynyk for Hibbert and Sloan

Would be giving them way too much.

3 team deal:

Boston
Hibbert
2015 1st rd (Indiana)

Hibbert fills a major need (post up offense, interior defense, size). The Pacers traded their 14 pick to the Suns so they can't trade there 15 pick outright. So it's a pick swap with the Clippers pick, that most likely gives us a second lottery pick.

Indiana
Rondo
Kanter
2015 1st rd (LAC)

Rondo is the best player in the deal. Kanter could be a longterm fit in Indiana.

Utah
Hill
2016 2nd rd (Indiana)

Kanter will likely bolt this summer. Burke is extremely inconsistent and Hill provides stability/depth at both guard spots at a decent contract (8M) that expires after next season.

[tazzmaniac]

Would the team be better or worse if you traded Rondo straight-up for Hibbert.

Worse.  At the end of the season, Hibbert would most likely opt out of the last year of his contract and leave for greener pastures.  So you would have traded Rondo for nothing.  I think there is a strong likelihood Rondo resigns with the Celtics. 

I'd argue Rondo is a better building block than Hibbert but at best swapping Rondo for Hibbert is status quo.  It does nothing to advance the goal of becoming a championship contender.  You'd still need to acquire two more stars.  The best play is to resign Rondo and go after one of the numerous center possibilities via trade or free agency. 

[D Dub]

I don't think it'd take Rondo for the simple fact that Rondo is an impending free agent and if they were to trade away Hibbert, it'd more than likely be for rebuilding purposes.  They'd probably want a draft pick and a young prospect and/or an expiring.

Good point.   


Smart, Sully, Green, two 2015 1sts
for
Hibbert

This is probably the best offer Indy would get, nets several young assets & a starting big to replace Hibbert right away.

Pairing him with Rondo, I'm guessing both resign Boston.

Rondo
Bradley/Thornton
Turner/Wallace
Olynyk
Hibbert/Zeller

Not flashy on paper..but that roster would be highly dynamic.   Three 7 footers, vets who defend, knock down shooters, the rondo factor..sign me up

[playdream]

I don't think it'd take Rondo for the simple fact that Rondo is an impending free agent and if they were to trade away Hibbert, it'd more than likely be for rebuilding purposes.  They'd probably want a draft pick and a young prospect and/or an expiring.

Good point.   


Smart, Sully, Green, two 2015 1sts
for
Hibbert

This is probably the best offer Indy would get, nets several young assets & a starting big to replace Hibbert right away.

Pairing him with Rondo, I'm guessing both resign Boston.

Rondo
Bradley/Thornton
Turner/Wallace
Olynyk
Hibbert/Zeller

Not flashy on paper..but that roster would be highly dynamic.   Three 7 footers, vets who defend, knock down shooters, the rondo factor..sign me up

doesn't look too good to me
remember regular season Rondo is not so much a star, and Hibbert is barely a all star(very inconsistent)
One thrive in the playoff and one disappear
You can't count on those 2 to win a lot regular season games or playoffs
unless of course, you add another star then it's a different story

[Endless Paradise]

I don't think it'd take Rondo for the simple fact that Rondo is an impending free agent and if they were to trade away Hibbert, it'd more than likely be for rebuilding purposes.  They'd probably want a draft pick and a young prospect and/or an expiring.

Good point.   


Smart, Sully, Green, two 2015 1sts
for
Hibbert

This is probably the best offer Indy would get, nets several young assets & a starting big to replace Hibbert right away.

Pairing him with Rondo, I'm guessing both resign Boston.

Rondo
Bradley/Thornton
Turner/Wallace
Olynyk
Hibbert/Zeller

Not flashy on paper..but that roster would be highly dynamic.   Three 7 footers, vets who defend, knock down shooters, the rondo factor..sign me up

I feel like that's a rather excessive offer.  I'm big on calling people out for making ridiculously lopsided trades in favor of their own team, but that seems ridiculously lopsided in favor of the Pacers.  I'd probably withhold a pick and one of Smart or Sullinger, depending on whom Indiana preferred more.

Edit: unless, of course, the extra first rounder would be to compensate for Green's player option for 2015-16.

[Celts Fan 508]

Good point.   


Smart, Sully, Green, two 2015 1sts
for
Hibbert

This is probably the best offer Indy would get, nets several young assets & a starting big to replace Hibbert right away.

Pairing him with Rondo, I'm guessing both resign Boston.

Rondo
Bradley/Thornton
Turner/Wallace
Olynyk
Hibbert/Zeller

Not flashy on paper..but that roster would be highly dynamic.   Three 7 footers, vets who defend, knock down shooters, the rondo factor..sign me up

I feel like that's a rather excessive offer.  I'm big on calling people out for making ridiculously lopsided trades in favor of their own team, but that seems ridiculously lopsided in favor of the Pacers.  I'd probably withhold a pick and one of Smart or Sullinger, depending on whom Indiana preferred more.

Edit: unless, of course, the extra first rounder would be to compensate for Green's player option for 2015-16.

I agree that seems like a lot, if we took Smart out would the deal still work financially?  What would be the next move?  Sign Gay?