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Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2014, 06:48:21 PM »

Offline GreenWarrior

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i'm done with Bradley. no flip-flopping here. his D that he was known for is completely gone. I don't care if stats say otherwise. watching him play D is getting comical at this point. saw him completely give up on a play in Chicago, also saw him get shook by Brooks like he was wearing roller skates and it was his first day playing defense.

the guy isn't even a shadow of his former self. and definitely not worth the money he got. we could go get a guard off the street right now that will shoot the ball early in the shot-clock and play the same level of D for less money.
Dang. It's a little difficult to play tight D when you have no weak side help or a rim protector. He's also becoming a bigger part of our offense and we can't have him picking up cheap fouls. As far as the early shots in the clock, Bradley is our best pull up shooter. You could make an argument that he needs more shots.

he should not be worrying about weak-side help or fouls. if he played D the way he did a few yrs. ago maybe the weak side D would be better? as far as picking up cheap fouls go because they need 'em on offense? there's 2 guards that are better offensive players than Bradley will ever be, his offense wouldn't be missed that much. and those 2 guards also play the same level of D AB has shown the last couple yrs.

I don't mind his pull up jumper...it's when he takes it.

Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2014, 07:03:07 PM »

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I like players who improve offensively every year and are still 23 years old (well, almost 24).  That's a good sign.   In 30 MPG he's averaging 15.5 pts on 47% shooting (36% from 3).  I do understand that people may not like his shot selection and think his 'D' is overrated, but I can't see how his performance in these 6 games has caused anyone to be permanently done with him.  He is a young player with value and very well could come back to haunt us in a playoff series down the road if we unload him.    So far I see his contract as still being a risk but also potentially a bargain.   

Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2014, 07:36:49 PM »

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his offense is fool's gold.

Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2014, 07:45:17 PM »

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Right now I want a small smoker. Smoked food is delicious.

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Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2014, 07:54:01 PM »

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I have no complaints about AB so far. This season his 3 pt shooting looks like a million bucks compared to his 3 pt shooting in the past.  We were complaining a few seasons back, all he can do is the long range 2. 

Plus AB makes 8 million a year and we can't expect him to perform like a player who makes 15 a year.

For ET i don't even know how some ppl here can complain about his game. He gave the Celts a super bargain not for 1 but 2 years.  Playing on the right team, for a coach he prefers with his friends is his 1st priority vs money.  It's refreshing to know there are still guys like that around in the nba

Still kind of skeptical about Jeff Green, but he looks like he has turned the page and is playing aggressive basketball most of the time. Driving hard to the basket and his jump shot looks better too. 

Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2014, 09:06:14 PM »

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his go to offense is a long 2pt jumper which is the most inefficient shot in the game

The long two has to be understood within context.  The most inefficient scenarios are the isolation and the post up.  Isolations are bad because they often lead to contested long twos.  A post up scores more points per possession when the player posting up can pass out to a player shooting an uncontested long two rather than shooting it himself.  Long twos are probably of at least average efficiency when it is an uncontested spot up attempt by Bradley.

Bradley is a good enough shooter for long twos to be in his repertoire.  An uncontested long two by Bradley early in the shot clock before the defense is set is probably more efficient than average.
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Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2014, 09:32:46 PM »

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I want a championship.

Guys like Bradley, Turner, Thorton and Pressey won't help us achieve that.

And I too have been done with Bradley for quite some time.

So do 29 other NBA teams. The facts are that it is very difficult to win championships and a lot have things have to go right to make that happen. You need a top ten superstar (most of the time). You need two other top thirty all stars (a lot of the time). You need at least 6 solid role players to meet needs like three point shooting, rebounding, defense of other stars, and glue guys, Only 5 to 6 teams have all of the ingredients and hence they are year in and year out favorites. The Celtics are the other 24 but can look to Indiana's model for building a franchise and building within. 
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Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2014, 09:46:59 PM »

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his go to offense is a long 2pt jumper which is the most inefficient shot in the game

The long two has to be understood within context.  The most inefficient scenarios are the isolation and the post up.  Isolations are bad because they often lead to contested long twos.  A post up scores more points per possession when the player posting up can pass out to a player shooting an uncontested long two rather than shooting it himself.  Long twos are probably of at least average efficiency when it is an uncontested spot up attempt by Bradley.

Bradley is a good enough shooter for long twos to be in his repertoire.  An uncontested long two by Bradley early in the shot clock before the defense is set is probably more efficient than average.
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An open shot, is always better than a contested one.

Also I'd like to add that Bradley's shot distribution has been much better this year than last year. On essentially the same number of shots per game, this year 28% of Bradley's shots are long 2's last year it was 43%. He has replaced these shots by shooting more 3's (31% of his shots are 3's this year compared to 24% last year) and more shots from 3 feet in (28% of his shots this year, 19% last year).
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Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2014, 09:47:21 PM »

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i'm done with Bradley. no flip-flopping here. his D that he was known for is completely gone. I don't care if stats say otherwise. watching him play D is getting comical at this point. saw him completely give up on a play in Chicago, also saw him get shook by Brooks like he was wearing roller skates and it was his first day playing defense.

the guy isn't even a shadow of his former self. and definitely not worth the money he got. we could go get a guard off the street right now that will shoot the ball early in the shot-clock and play the same level of D for less money.
Dang. It's a little difficult to play tight D when you have no weak side help or a rim protector. He's also becoming a bigger part of our offense and we can't have him picking up cheap fouls. As far as the early shots in the clock, Bradley is our best pull up shooter. You could make an argument that he needs more shots.

he should not be worrying about weak-side help or fouls. if he played D the way he did a few yrs. ago maybe the weak side D would be better? as far as picking up cheap fouls go because they need 'em on offense? there's 2 guards that are better offensive players than Bradley will ever be, his offense wouldn't be missed that much. and those 2 guards also play the same level of D AB has shown the last couple yrs.

I don't mind his pull up jumper...it's when he takes it.
Who are you comparing Bradley to? Let me get these guys out of the question since every team would want them.
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Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2014, 09:52:15 PM »

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his offense is fool's gold.

Got any stats to back it up?

Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2014, 09:59:57 PM »

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On the subject of Bradley, here's a great article on his defense: Bradley Island. He's usually an elite defender with a strict role on offense that he executes well enough. His efficiency is fine considering his volume. Considering how other wings were paid last summer, I don't think calling him overpaid is fair.

Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2014, 10:04:14 PM »

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Also I'd like to add that Bradley's shot distribution has been much better this year than last year. On essentially the same number of shots per game, this year 28% of Bradley's shots are long 2's last year it was 43%. He has replaced these shots by shooting more 3's (31% of his shots are 3's this year compared to 24% last year) and more shots from 3 feet in (28% of his shots this year, 19% last year).


I have been impressed in particular with his paint game.  He has always lacked as a finisher around the rim but he has some nice floater, push shot, tear drop type shots in the paint so far this year.  He's always been a good cutter off ball but nice to see him attacking with the ball too now.
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Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2014, 10:44:54 PM »

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at this point, i'd settle for a good beer. that is what i want.
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Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2014, 10:51:11 PM »

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Right now I want a small smoker. Smoked food is delicious.

Sounds good. Smoke some Jerk Chicken

YES. I want Banner 18 and a personal sized smoker. Those are my goals for the 2014 NBA season.

his go to offense is a long 2pt jumper which is the most inefficient shot in the game

The long two has to be understood within context.  The most inefficient scenarios are the isolation and the post up.  Isolations are bad because they often lead to contested long twos.  A post up scores more points per possession when the player posting up can pass out to a player shooting an uncontested long two rather than shooting it himself.

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Re: Exactly what do you people want?
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2014, 12:10:26 AM »

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Isn't it obvious?  We don't know what we want lol ;D.  Okay, maybe that's a bit out there seeing as we all want to see Boston succeed, but I think the one thing that everyone wants is to be able to blink and all of the young guys suddenly turn into accomplished players ;D.  Unfortunately, that just doesn't happen, and we're going to have to take this year by year, piece by piece, trade by trade, etc.  For example, we have absolutely NO shot blocking right now, but we're not going to make a trade for someone like McGee lol (oh would be hilarious) when next year's draft is loaded with big guys, and that is how we will address this deficiency (I'm assuming).  Depending on how Sullinger turns out, and he really looks like a better passing and rebounding version of Paul Millsap more than anything or anyone else at the minute, we may already have a building block for the future, and adding a center next to him, and hopefully a true center, at that, will hopefully begin to transform us into a better ball club in the coming years, but right now, we must have patience, my young padawan  ;) ;D

As for Bradley, it looks like he has improved a bit offensively, but I think what frustrates everyone is just how utterly turrible of a passer he is, especially after being in the league for a few years now, which is why it was so odd to hear the words Bradley and good pass in the same sentence last night.  I almost fainted (sarcasm) ;D.  I mean, Smart can already pass and dribble much better than AB as a rookie, so maybe that's where some of the frustration comes from in watching Avery.  If Smart had Bradley's shot, why would we have even bothered to resign AB?  I like the guy, but I just don't know how much better he can be, but I'd also hate to see him leave, only to develop into an all star lol.