In Hindsight, Clippers or Brooklyn Trade?

[jpotter33]

I didn't think we could've got a better deal for our vets than we got with Brooklyn, but after seeing the huge hole in the middle in the last few games, I wonder if the Clippers trade would've ended up being better.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the proposed Clippers trade, before it got nixed, was Jordan and two future firsts for Garnett and the ability for Doc to leave his contract. 1 of the picks was for Garnett, and the other pick was for letting Doc out of his contract I believe. I think there was also going to be a Pierce trade somehow, but I'll leave that off for now. This was before Jordan broke out last year and Garnett slumped, so it seemed rather fair at the time.

Comparing the two trades, which one would your rather have now?

Brooklyn: Pierce, Garnett, Terry, and White (and some 2nd rounders)
Boston: Wallace, Humphries, Brooks, Bogans, Joseph, Young (2014 pick), 2016/18 1sts, rights to swap in 2017, TPE

LA: Garnett, (and Doc)
Boston: Jordan, 2 future 1sts, + whatever we would've got for Pierce, too

I guess it depends how bad Brooklyn bottoms out, because those could be some very good picks for us. However, in hindsight we could be saying the same thing about LA now. At the time, it looked like a fair trade. But do you really think Garnett would've anchored their defense? They still would've made the playoffs, but they would've been lower this year. Depending on when the 2nd pick was, it might also have had a chance to make it to the lottery if it was a couple years down the road. Also, don't forget to factor in the fact that Jordan broke out last year, and we wouldn't have our hole in the middle that we do now.

So what do you guys think?  Hindsight being 20/20, which trade would you rather have now?

[TheFlex]

I didn't think we could've got a better deal for our vets than we got with Brooklyn, but after seeing the huge hole in the middle in the last few games, I wonder if the Clippers trade would've ended up being better.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the proposed Clippers trade, before it got nixed, was Jordan and two future firsts for Garnett and the ability for Doc to leave his contract. 1 of the picks was for Garnett, and the other pick was for letting Doc out of his contract I believe. I think there was also going to be a Pierce trade somehow, but I'll leave that off for now. This was before Jordan broke out last year and Garnett slumped, so it seemed rather fair at the time.

Comparing the two trades, which one would your rather have now?

Brooklyn: Pierce, Garnett, Terry, and White (and some 2nd rounders)
Boston: Wallace, Humphries, Brooks, Bogans, Joseph, Young (2014 pick), 2016/18 1sts, rights to swap in 2017, TPE

LA: Garnett, (and Doc)
Boston: Jordan, 2 future 1sts, + whatever we would've got for Pierce, too

I guess it depends how bad Brooklyn bottoms out, because those could be some very good picks for us. However, in hindsight we could be saying the same thing about LA now. At the time, it looked like a fair trade. But do you really think Garnett would've anchored their defense? They still would've made the playoffs, but they would've been lower this year. Depending on when the 2nd pick was, it might also have had a chance to make it to the lottery if it was a couple years down the road. Also, don't forget to factor in the fact that Jordan broke out last year, and we wouldn't have our hole in the middle that we do now.

So what do you guys think?  Hindsight being 20/20, which trade would you rather have now?

Brooklyn.

So, final tally on the KG/Pierce trade:

2014 #1 from Brooklyn
2016 #1 from Brooklyn
2018 #1 from Brooklyn
2016 #1 from Cleveland (top-10 protected)
2015 Washington #2 (top-49 protected)
2016 Cleveland #2
2017 Cleveland #2
Right to swap 2017 #1s from Brooklyn

Tyler Zeller
Marcus Thornton
Gerald Wallace

We also picked up a small trade exception in the Washington deal, a moderate trade exception from Cleveland, and possibly somewhere else along the way.  Lastly, Marshon Brooks was packaged with Jordan Crawford for Joel Anthony and  a heavily protected Philly #1, which will end up turning into two more #2s.

edit: Worth noting that James Young would have been a top ten pick in most other drafts considering he would have been a lotto pick in the 2014 draft if not for his car accident in early Summer.

Also, TP for a great question.

[AidaCelt]

I didn't think we could've got a better deal for our vets than we got with Brooklyn, but after seeing the huge hole in the middle in the last few games, I wonder if the Clippers trade would've ended up being better.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the proposed Clippers trade, before it got nixed, was Jordan and two future firsts for Garnett and the ability for Doc to leave his contract. 1 of the picks was for Garnett, and the other pick was for letting Doc out of his contract I believe. I think there was also going to be a Pierce trade somehow, but I'll leave that off for now. This was before Jordan broke out last year and Garnett slumped, so it seemed rather fair at the time.

Comparing the two trades, which one would your rather have now?

Brooklyn: Pierce, Garnett, Terry, and White (and some 2nd rounders)
Boston: Wallace, Humphries, Brooks, Bogans, Joseph, Young (2014 pick), 2016/18 1sts, rights to swap in 2017, TPE

LA: Garnett, (and Doc)
Boston: Jordan, 2 future 1sts, + whatever we would've got for Pierce, too

I guess it depends how bad Brooklyn bottoms out, because those could be some very good picks for us. However, in hindsight we could be saying the same thing about LA now. At the time, it looked like a fair trade. But do you really think Garnett would've anchored their defense? They still would've made the playoffs, but they would've been lower this year. Depending on when the 2nd pick was, it might also have had a chance to make it to the lottery if it was a couple years down the road. Also, don't forget to factor in the fact that Jordan broke out last year, and we wouldn't have our hole in the middle that we do now.

So what do you guys think?  Hindsight being 20/20, which trade would you rather have now?

Excellent question. It's too early to say how valuable those picks will end up. Jordan would be great as a defensive presence on any team, especially on a contender though. We're missing more than just the 1 piece though so I'll still take the Brooklyn haul at this stage as a longer term full rebuild.

[pokeKingCurtis]

I thought their (by their I mean Doc's) refusal to give up DeAndre was a big part of the deal.

They could have thrown in another pick I think. Probably would have helped the deal a lot.

I remember them being cheap about it. They deserve their current struggles.

They just cannot fill their gaping hole at SF, from what I've heard.

Imagine the Clippers right now with Pierce starting and KG off the bench. Very potent.

[jpotter33]

For sure, I'm really on the fence about which one I'd take. Considering all we got from the TPE, it's a difficult decision.

[D.o.s.]

I thought their (by their I mean Doc's) refusal to give up DeAndre was a big part of the deal.

They could have thrown in another pick I think. Probably would have helped the deal a lot.

I remember them being cheap about it. They deserve their current struggles.

They just cannot fill their gaping hole at SF, from what I've heard.

Imagine the Clippers right now with Pierce starting and KG off the bench. Very potent.

IIRC it was Bledsoe that Doc was stuck on, not DeAndre.

For sure, I'm really on the fence about which one I'd take. Considering all we got from the TPE, it's a difficult decision.

Are we factoring in the ultimate fate of the TPE's when we evaluate these trades, though, or just the initial return?

[jpotter33]

Well, ultimately, it was part of the trade, so let's say yes.

[jpotter33]

Or do both: one considering the fate of the TPEs and subsequent trades and one just the initial return. 

[D.o.s.]

Then that puts the LA trade at an inherent disadvantage, because we don't know what sort of similar opportunities would have been available when the dust settled on the Clippers trade.

I will say, though, that DeAndre Jordan still would have been better than anything we've received back from the Brooklyn trade so far, even if the Nets trade was a 'better' trade. So at the outset, I prefer the Clippers trade. In totality, you have to go with the Nets.

[jpotter33]

Do you think any of the picks we have attained resulting from the trade will be as good as Jordan is now?  I doubt Young will be, and unless Brooklyn bottoms out I don't see how any of those picks will be either.  I guess it will depend on our draft choices, too, because Jordan was a 2nd rounder himself.

[Beat LA]

Not to high-jack this thread, but what if we had just gotten the Clippers' 1st rounder for Doc, kept Pierce and Garnett, gotten rid of Jeff Green and Jason Terry, and traded for the Greek Freak instead of KO?  Now, obviously, that means that we wouldn't have been able to draft Marcus Smart , but those two 1st round picks could have yielded James Young and KJ McDaniels, so my question is this - even though it's only 5 games into their rookie seasons lol , would you rather have Giannis, McDaniels, and Young, or Smart and KO?  I would have opted for the former, especially if we'd kept our legends , but what do you guys think? 

[D.o.s.]

Do you think any of the picks we have attained resulting from the trade will be as good as Jordan is now?  I doubt Young will be, and unless Brooklyn bottoms out I don't see how any of those picks will be either.  I guess it will depend on our draft choices, too, because Jordan was a 2nd rounder himself.

Probably not, but that's just the nature of the draft: few players ever even make it as backups.

[Quetzalcoatl]

In scenario 1 (real life), we were able to pull off Doc to LA for a 1st anyways and that trade wouldn't have happened if we hadn't worked it out with Brooklyn.  So I still like scenario 1, because we basically got everything from both trades except DeAndre.  Plus, I think DeAndre's stats are enhanced from being on a perfect situation for his particular skill set - I don't think he'd look as good on Boston.

[Celtics4ever]

Glad Stern is gone, he torpedoed that trade.   I like the new commish better, already.

[TheTruthFot18]

While we need(ed) a center, and Jordan has a lot of fans here, his arrival would not have impacted this team in the right way. Also the Brooklyn picks (no matter where they land) will be better than any LAC pick in the next 3-4 years