The "Start Zeller" movement

[footey]

Kelly's problem is that he has resorted to passive, I just want to keep these other guys happy by not chucking the ball, role.  It is pathetic. He is the best 3 point shooter on the team, and just watches others chuck  up bad shots, and hangs his head down as they run back on d.  He needs to start asserting himself, and leading this team out there. Stevens is giving him a golden opportunity in starting him, and he is blowing it.  Really disappointing.

[hwangjini_1]

Every game I watch it makes me disgusted that Danny Ainge passed on the elite superstar potential of the Greek Freak for someone who projects as a backup big man.

yet, as has been pointed out before, olly has better stats in scoring, rebounds, fg%, ft%, PER and assists. they are virtually tied in 3 pt %. (on PER, olly is above nba average, antetokounmpo is below nba average.)

antetokounmpo so far has not produced as well as olly. perhaps he will in the future, not until then maybe we can reign in unbridled and lavash praise such as "elite superstar potential" a bit.

[furball]

I don't think he needs to start, especially not for Kelly, but I think he needs to play a lot more.  Bass needs to be taken out of the rotation.  Play Sully, Kelly and Zeller.  Bass can get  Zeller's 6 minutes  a game when necessary. 

Also, they should be using Kelly in the pick and roll/pop the way they use Zeller.  Kelly needs to stop playing only outside the three point line. 

[hwangjini_1]

So this is a thread for people who want us to lose, right?

so, you are saying this thread is redundant? 

[Celtics4ever]

If a guy doesn't have that night then put in the other guy.  It is not like he is a great veteran or the like who has earned it.

[LooseCannon]

He is the best 3 point shooter on the team

Bradley is easily the best 3-point shooter on the team.

I'd be okay with Zeller starting and playing 15-20ppg while Olynyk is more likely to finish games.  I'd like to see if KO can function as a point forward operating out of the high post when Rondo is on the bench.

[kozlodoev]

He is the best 3 point shooter on the team

Bradley is easily the best 3-point shooter on the team.

I'd be okay with Zeller starting and playing 15-20ppg while Olynyk is more likely to finish games.  I'd like to see if KO can function as a point forward operating out of the high post when Rondo is on the bench.

The best three-point shooter on the team is Thornton. It's a pity he can't do anything else.

[Fafnir]

The best three-point shooter on the team is Thornton. It's a pity he can't do anything else.

Bradley has shot better from deep for his career than Thorton and is shooting better this year and last.

Thorton has far more attempts, 1562 to 398, so we can say with greater certainty what Thorton's shooting ability is.

[kozlodoev]

The best three-point shooter on the team is Thornton. It's a pity he can't do anything else.

Bradley has shot better from deep for his career than Thorton and is shooting better this year and last.

Thorton has far more attempts, 1562 to 398, so we can say with greater certainty what Thorton's shooting ability is.

Marcus Thornton doesn't make living shooting corner threes. Thornton is slightly better on non-corner threes (.346 to .340) and considerably better on corner threes (.420 to .380). The shot mix skews things a little bit; it's just that Bradley is in the corner on ~70% of his shots (less than 20% for Thornton).

[slamtheking]

Every game I watch it makes me disgusted that Danny Ainge passed on the elite superstar potential of the Greek Freak for someone who projects as a backup big man.

so let's compare the 2 shall we to see if this time your complaint has any merit:

                   Giannnis     KO
min              21              22
pts               7.3             10.7
rbs               4.7              5.0
ast               1.3              1.3
stl                 .3                1.7
blk                 1.0             .3
to                  2.3             1.7
PER              10.8           19.1
FG%             .529           .542

Would seem to me that KO is having the better year.  even taking age into account, there's nothing Giannis is doing (statistically) that screams out KO was a worse pick.

If being athletic was a guarantee of being a great player then Gerald Green, JR giddens, JJJ and Fab Melo would have been stars in this league

[jpotter33]

Kelly's problem is that he has resorted to passive, I just want to keep these other guys happy by not chucking the ball, role.  It is pathetic. He is the best 3 point shooter on the team, and just watches others chuck  up bad shots, and hangs his head down as they run back on d.  He needs to start asserting himself, and leading this team out there. Stevens is giving him a golden opportunity in starting him, and he is blowing it.  Really disappointing.

Exactly, he's not out there for his defense. He's out there because he's a scorer and he can stretch the floor. If he's not doing that, then he needs to be on the bench.

[D.o.s.]

Every game I watch it makes me disgusted that Danny Ainge passed on the elite superstar potential of the Greek Freak for someone who projects as a backup big man.

so let's compare the 2 shall we to see if this time your complaint has any merit:

                   Giannnis     KO
min              21              22
pts               7.3             10.7
rbs               4.7              5.0
ast               1.3              1.3
stl                 .3                1.7
blk                 1.0             .3
to                  2.3             1.7
PER              10.8           19.1
FG%             .529           .542

Would seem to me that KO is having the better year.  even taking age into account, there's nothing Giannis is doing (statistically) that screams out KO was a worse pick.

If being athletic was a guarantee of being a great player then Gerald Green, JR giddens, JJJ and Fab Melo would have been stars in this league

It does seem a little silly to try and disprove a potential pick with stats, though, doesn't it?

Giannis's ceiling is way, way higher than Olynyk. His floor is also much lower. That's why he's got 'elite superstar potential,' where the emphasis is on 'potential.'

[slamtheking]

Every game I watch it makes me disgusted that Danny Ainge passed on the elite superstar potential of the Greek Freak for someone who projects as a backup big man.

so let's compare the 2 shall we to see if this time your complaint has any merit:

                   Giannnis     KO
min              21              22
pts               7.3             10.7
rbs               4.7              5.0
ast               1.3              1.3
stl                 .3                1.7
blk                 1.0             .3
to                  2.3             1.7
PER              10.8           19.1
FG%             .529           .542

Would seem to me that KO is having the better year.  even taking age into account, there's nothing Giannis is doing (statistically) that screams out KO was a worse pick.

If being athletic was a guarantee of being a great player then Gerald Green, JR giddens, JJJ and Fab Melo would have been stars in this league

It does seem a little silly to try and disprove a potential pick with stats, though, doesn't it?

Giannis's ceiling is way, way higher than Olynyk. His floor is also much lower. That's why he's got 'elite superstar potential,' where the emphasis is on 'potential.'

silly?  maybe but not sure why. 

Anyway, it's not quite as silly bemoaning the fact we took KO over Giannis like Giannis is this annointed god that will dominate the league who was such clear choice over KO.

Personally, I wanted Dieng over KO in the draft and was disappointed we didn't take him.  I've managed to get over it.  I think Dieng will end up the better (more impact) player in the longrun but KO's not a bust by any means and Dieng is still a longway from a sure thing.

[slamtheking]

Kelly's problem is that he has resorted to passive, I just want to keep these other guys happy by not chucking the ball, role.  It is pathetic. He is the best 3 point shooter on the team, and just watches others chuck  up bad shots, and hangs his head down as they run back on d.  He needs to start asserting himself, and leading this team out there. Stevens is giving him a golden opportunity in starting him, and he is blowing it.  Really disappointing.

Exactly, he's not out there for his defense. He's out there because he's a scorer and he can stretch the floor. If he's not doing that, then he needs to be on the bench.

pretty spot on.  KO's best asset is his offense and he needs to be more aggresive in that regard.  drives me nuts when he passes on a wide open shot or hesitates because he thinks he should pass and in doing so messes up the momentary advantage he may have had on the defense.

[Evantime34]

I would still start KO, but as soon as he passes up an open shot I immediately take him out and let him know why he is now on the bench.

His value is as a skilled offensive player, if he isn't aggressive his value is diminished.