Who's a better coach, Doc or CBS?

[fairweatherfan]

BS what he did at Butler outweighs what Doc has done in the NBA.

college is completely different from the pros. Doc hasn't coach college, so all we have to go on is the pros.

Yeah, how a fan of a team that employed multiple NCAA champion Rick Pitino could make this argument is beyond me.

[puskas54_10]

What's going on here? There is a thread about James Young becoming Klay Thompson and now this?
While I like BS approach to the game, how can you compare him to Doc? He's done nothing in the NBA. Win more games then you lose for starters. People want to make this team more than what it is. Things like Sully > Love, 2008 Ray = 2014 Bradley, Rondo as a legit superstar. I always said enjoy the Big 3 era while it lasts. Now people think this team goes back to contention with this group of people. It's delusion. I don't see reliable scorers in crunch time, nor legit center on the team. Bunch of young guys try to play with effort and energy. Nothing more, nothing less.

[pokeKingCurtis]

This is Doc-esque effort. *In that our players played like they were playing for a motivator like Doc.

Impressive from a sophomore coach.

No matter if you think Doc is better or not.

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[D.o.s.]

What's going on here? There is a thread about James Young becoming Klay Thompson and now this?
While I like BS approach to the game, how can you compare him to Doc? He's done nothing in the NBA. Win more games then you lose for starters. People want to make this team more than what it is. Things like Sully > Love, 2008 Ray = 2014 Bradley, Rondo as a legit superstar. I always said enjoy the Big 3 era while it lasts. Now people think this team goes back to contention with this group of people. It's delusion. I don't see reliable scorers in crunch time, nor legit center on the team. Bunch of young guys try to play with effort and energy. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think if you read the first post in this thread you'll see what's going on here. 

[zimbo]

C'mon do some of you really think Doc came up with that play at that time? It looked so rehearsed. Looks like Doc's offense is starting to make it's mark on the Clippers.

90 points against OKC?

92 against the Kings?

That's the Doc I know  .

No thanks.

[D.o.s.]

C'mon do some of you really think Doc came up with that play at that time? It looked so rehearsed.

I'm curious -- do you think most coaches make up their plays coming out of timeouts?

The reason it 'looked so rehearsed' is because it was a great basketball play performed by great players. Has a season and change really made us all forget what that looked like?

[DarkAzcura]

Doc wouldn't have this offense anywhere close to running at the level it is at currently. Stevens may not be there in terms of drawing plays out of timeouts or motivating his guys (??), but his emphasis on statistics and his system is superior to anything Doc had going here. There's no excuse for the putrid offenses Doc had here with the talent he had. He's doing better with the Clippers in terms of offense, but by 2011, Doc was trying too hard to fit circles into squares with how he defined some players' roles.

Stevens has actually spent time trying to develop his players' weaknesses while also forming his system around his players' strengths. Something Doc never did here after 2010 (maybe ever honestly).

So it really depends on what you want out of your team. If you have players that are already developed and have habits that they can't break, then Doc is your guy for the motivation factor. If you want a coach that can create a system that fits your players' strengths while also developing said players, Stevens is probably your guy.

I'm still mad about Doc's emphasis on mid-range shooting while hand waving statistics away if you couldn't tell. Doc slotting Terry into Ray's play calls in 2012-2013 was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen also. He completely took away what made Terry...Terry. Lee completely suffered under Doc because he didn't allow him to create. Lee was much better under Stevens even in limited minutes. In general, the offense was never as good as it should have been. The defense was all Thibs. I know Thibs left, and our defense remained at the top of the league, but that's because the system was already in place with the core players. Kudos to Doc for maintaining the system, but he hasn't been able to teach the Clippers the same defense.

Not to demean Doc, his strategy for player development was a little different. Rondo and Pierce are the main guys Doc "developed". He didn't develop their skills, but he honed their attitudes and approach to the game. As much as I hate to admit it, Pierce was close to becoming one of those annoying volume chuckers after the 03-04 season before Doc reeled him in. Doc really took Rondo under his wing and helped turn his attitude issues around after his rookie year.

[loco_91]

this isn't really a question at this point. If the question is, who will eventually be the better coach, well the jury is out.

[Sixth Man]

people seem to like Doc Rivers, and he's been effective out of time outs.  He's played under some great coaches, the best ever, and probably has a couple of those plays in his head somewhere.

But it's not like players follow Doc because he adds something that makes a difference in the scoreboard, and it's not why he is considered a top coach now.  Doc won't add points, and nothing he does will really move the needle on a team, I think.

Doc is excellent at gaining buy-in from his players, which is essential to team success.  A team that has the pieces should consider hiring Doc to ensure they perform as expected.

Brad Stevens seems to like the coaching aspect of basketball in the sense that he studies everything looking for a little edge that others might miss.  HE tries to put players in positions where they are most likely to do well.  He is able to figure out what that thing is that each player does well, and incorporates it into the plan.

Doc's forte isn't adding points for his team, it's in subtracting them from the opponent.

[Celtics4ever]

college is completely different from the pros. Doc hasn't coach college, so all we have to go on is the pros.

But your only looking at the surface and not the depths of the comparison.    Doc is a sub .500 coach unless he has talent.   Stevens can do more with less talent.  I can't wait to see what he does with talent.   Doc is only as good as his players.   I think Stevens has a history of getting guys to play above their talent level.

[dark_lord]

its an unfair question, since stevens is so new.....

the answer, doc hands down:  championship and 2 time coach of the year!

[D.o.s.]

college is completely different from the pros. Doc hasn't coach college, so all we have to go on is the pros.

But your only looking at the surface and not the depths of the comparison.    Doc is a sub .500 coach unless he has talent.   Stevens can do more with less talent.  I can't wait to see what he does with talent.   Doc is only as good as his players.   I think Stevens has a history of getting guys to play above their talent level.

I would posit that A) we have evidence of Doc doing more with less talent on the NBA level (that magic team again) and that B) all coaches are only as good as their players.

This is what I mean -- statements like Stevens 'can do more with less talent' or that 'HE tries to put players in positions where they are most likely to do well' they don't seem very, uh, factual.

[manl_lui]

At the moment Doc Rivers hands down - 2x coach of the year, 1x NBA Champion, 2 NBA Finals Appearance and 3 NBA Conference Finals. He is as good as they come, and one of the best at drawing last minute plays.

Brad Stevens on the other hand is good and has a lot of potential. He is still young and 2nd year in the NBA. Has accomplished a lot as a college coach. I am optimistic to have Stevens here in the long run. The comeback yesterday is giving me hope that eventually Stevens will figure it out and make us an elite team. To be down 31 points and come back within 1 point is huge.

[kozlodoev]

At the moment Doc Rivers hands down - 2x coach of the year, 1x NBA Champion, 2 NBA Finals Appearance and 3 NBA Conference Finals. He is as good as they come, and one of the best at drawing last minute plays.

The highlighted seems to be, for some reason, a common misconception around here. The 07-08 CotY went to Byron Scott...

[mmmmm]

Could this question be re-posed as:  Who has been watching and paying attention to the NBA (including what went on with other teams) over the last 15 years and who just became a fan in the last couple of season?

Because some of the comments indicate absolutely no awareness or appreciation of Doc's full coaching history or how it stacks up relative to his peers.

Stevens seems to me to have a lot of potential.  I like the vast majority of the style of basketball he preaches (which isn't really, all that different from what Doc preaches).  Maybe in 10 years we will be talking about how great of an NBA coach he turned out to be.  But please.  It's a little early.