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blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« on: November 02, 2014, 11:15:01 AM »

Offline Tr1boy

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- lineup needed a big change after the 1st
- the rockets were taking away the three pt line. Congesting the perimeter
- defensively AB and Rondo were both doing a poor job on canaan and harden. Harden got into the paint too many times and got to the line way many times

Solution i would of liked to see

1. Put in zeller vs howard(should of been done quicker, instead of having sully have to try to stop him)

2.  Have KO or Sully out with Zeller and keep feeding the ball into the post(vs smaller tjones).  Score or pass the ball back out for an open three or pass to the cutter

3. Have marcus smart also post up canaan. Pass out the ball for the open three. Pass to cutter

4. Have a more physical bigger smart guard harden. AB was on him like most of the night and it was not working

On the defensive end by the 2nd, you have smart on harden. Let him feed it to howard. If he drives in, zeller can rotate to try to alter.

BS just looks like he just stuck with what got us a nice win vs the nets instead of adjusting and trying to throw the rockets game off asap.

Regardless of coming up with a quicker solution/disrupt what the rockets wanted to do, we could of still lost. But at least it would of not been a blowout



Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2014, 11:19:51 AM »

Offline saltlover

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No, blame yesterday's loss on going 1-25 from three.  Go 6-25 from 3, which is still terrible, and it's a completely different game.  C's missed a lot of good looks.  It happens.

Also, the Rockets are a good team.  Those two things are why we lost.  Plain and simple.

Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2014, 11:29:00 AM »

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- lineup needed a big change after the 1st
- the rockets were taking away the three pt line. Congesting the perimeter
- defensively AB and Rondo were both doing a poor job on canaan and harden. Harden got into the paint too many times and got to the line way many times

Solution i would of liked to see

1. Put in zeller vs howard(should of been done quicker, instead of having sully have to try to stop him)

2.  Have KO or Sully out with Zeller and keep feeding the ball into the post(vs smaller tjones).  Score or pass the ball back out for an open three or pass to the cutter

3. Have marcus smart also post up canaan. Pass out the ball for the open three. Pass to cutter

4. Have a more physical bigger smart guard harden. AB was on him like most of the night and it was not working

On the defensive end by the 2nd, you have smart on harden. Let him feed it to howard. If he drives in, zeller can rotate to try to alter.

BS just looks like he just stuck with what got us a nice win vs the nets instead of adjusting and trying to throw the rockets game off asap.

Regardless of coming up with a quicker solution/disrupt what the rockets wanted to do, we could of still lost. But at least it would of not been a blowout
as far as the first quarter is concerned, you have good points. but check out the scores quarter by quarter. the celtics pretty much held their own after the first quarter. even with the worst 3 point shooting in celtic history they were only down by 11 at one point.

next, yes, [dang] CBS!!!! why wasnt he making 3 pointers from his seat on the bench?!  >:( honestly, the celtics had plenty of uncontested, open looks from beyond the 3 point line. they...missed...open...shots. painful, but simple.

i agree about zeller, he did a good job, but was howard really the problem for the celtics? i blame their slow switches and movement on defense for the difference in free throws early on.

CBS early game plan was a bad choice, but he modified it. early on olly was getting killed by houston's offense. later on, olly was doing better.
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Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2014, 11:36:28 AM »

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They just couldn't hit anything. Stevens also can't got nuts with changing line ups in the second game of the year. There are a lot of new faces and they are still figuring each other out. Consistency is key to improvement. When you rattle the cage you loose that, and could shake the confidence of players.

Also this is Stevens 84th regular season game, he's still learning how to make adjustments on the fly with out hurting the team long term. Also maybe he's trying to work things out with players to get them to the next level. Winning isn't a must this season, but improving is. Players have to learn how to get over bad nights. Taking them out teaches them nothing.

Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2014, 11:39:05 AM »

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If you're going to point the finger at anybody, it should be Ainge, not Stevens.

Ainge assembled the roster, Stevens is just trying to make the most of it.

Yes, we got crushed in the paint yesterday (which I expected) but what also really bothered me about yesterday is we couldn't make a shot to save our lives.

I mean guys like Green, Thornton, Turner and yes even Rondo are suppose to provide more offense than what they provided.

As for the Rockets, it seemed to me like no Parsons, no problem.

Between Harden, Canaan, Jones and even Terry (who sucked for the Celts), they totally outscored us.

For me the only highlight of the night is I actually thought Sully and Zeller kinda held their own vs Howard (kinda.)

Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2014, 11:39:19 AM »

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Do you also give credit for the win in the first game?

Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2014, 11:42:20 AM »

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Do you also give credit for the win in the first game?

It's also a match-up problem.

The Celts matched up well vs Brooklyn because Lopez is out and if guys like DWill and JJ aren't hitting their shots, the Celts could totally take them out.

With the Rockets (and I expect the same thing to happen with Dallas tomorrow night), they have the size and if their shots are going down (which they were) then the Celts didn't stand a chance.

Which is why I feel we REALLY need two things on our team.

A legit, consistent scorer and an actual center.

Sully and Zeller aren't bad and I actually thought both guys did pretty well yesterday, but they can't go toe to toe with Howard (of course in all fairness, not too many centers can.)

Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2014, 11:44:34 AM »

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- lineup needed a big change after the 1st
- the rockets were taking away the three pt line. Congesting the perimeter
- defensively AB and Rondo were both doing a poor job on canaan and harden. Harden got into the paint too many times and got to the line way many times

Solution i would of liked to see

1. Put in zeller vs howard(should of been done quicker, instead of having sully have to try to stop him)

2.  Have KO or Sully out with Zeller and keep feeding the ball into the post(vs smaller tjones).  Score or pass the ball back out for an open three or pass to the cutter

3. Have marcus smart also post up canaan. Pass out the ball for the open three. Pass to cutter

4. Have a more physical bigger smart guard harden. AB was on him like most of the night and it was not working

On the defensive end by the 2nd, you have smart on harden. Let him feed it to howard. If he drives in, zeller can rotate to try to alter.

BS just looks like he just stuck with what got us a nice win vs the nets instead of adjusting and trying to throw the rockets game off asap.

Regardless of coming up with a quicker solution/disrupt what the rockets wanted to do, we could of still lost. But at least it would of not been a blowout

I've found I can't agree with most of your posts. this one I agree with a lot.

everyone seems to be looking at this as just a "bad shooting night". when in fact we missed a lot of bad shots, we missed a lot of good shots too. but the bad shots we took are the same bad shots we always take and sometimes we make 'em....but they're still bad shots.

this was a perfect opportunity to stick with the young guys, instead we went to the vets. maybe we would have lost by 50 sticking with the kids but I guess BS just wanted the score to be closer. 

Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2014, 12:05:04 PM »

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The one player that is driving me nuts is JGreen.  I used to be on his corner, but now, his demeanor, body language, lack of urgency approach - can be dangerously contagious.

I think I am ready for a JGreen replacement.  I am not saying he is the reason we lost, but the Cs did start the game in a casual manner.  Houston's  approach was to break our spirit early on....

On game one, JGreen had 5reb before the end of the 1st quarter.  Game 2, I couldn't tell if he was on the floor or not.  I don't even think he fouled anyone in the first quarter and I was hoping he did to check for pulse.

...enough said.

As for CBS, I think he is great at recognizing and substituting as necessary.  No complaints from me.


Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2014, 12:06:23 PM »

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to be honest I did not notice any adjustments by CBS.

AB shot us out of a comeback when he took that ill-conceived shot in the 3rd and then committed a silly foul when the ball was about to go out of bounds on Houston. At that point we were down 11 and well on our way to cut the lead down to single digits. After that bonehead play AB went to the bench and Houston throttled back to an 18 point lead. Game Over!!

Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2014, 12:25:59 PM »

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If you're going to point the finger at anybody, it should be Ainge, not Stevens.

Ainge assembled the roster, Stevens is just trying to make the most of it.

Yes, we got crushed in the paint yesterday (which I expected) but what also really bothered me about yesterday is we couldn't make a shot to save our lives.

I mean guys like Green, Thornton, Turner and yes even Rondo are suppose to provide more offense than what they provided.

As for the Rockets, it seemed to me like no Parsons, no problem.

Between Harden, Canaan, Jones and even Terry (who sucked for the Celts), they totally outscored us.

For me the only highlight of the night is I actually thought Sully and Zeller kinda held their own vs Howard (kinda.)

The funny thing was we outscored Houston in the paint yesterday 60-38. It's just that Houston got so many dang foul calls.

Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2014, 12:27:09 PM »

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- lineup needed a big change after the 1st
- the rockets were taking away the three pt line. Congesting the perimeter
- defensively AB and Rondo were both doing a poor job on canaan and harden. Harden got into the paint too many times and got to the line way many times

Solution i would of liked to see

1. Put in zeller vs howard(should of been done quicker, instead of having sully have to try to stop him)

2.  Have KO or Sully out with Zeller and keep feeding the ball into the post(vs smaller tjones).  Score or pass the ball back out for an open three or pass to the cutter

3. Have marcus smart also post up canaan. Pass out the ball for the open three. Pass to cutter

4. Have a more physical bigger smart guard harden. AB was on him like most of the night and it was not working

On the defensive end by the 2nd, you have smart on harden. Let him feed it to howard. If he drives in, zeller can rotate to try to alter.

BS just looks like he just stuck with what got us a nice win vs the nets instead of adjusting and trying to throw the rockets game off asap.

Regardless of coming up with a quicker solution/disrupt what the rockets wanted to do, we could of still lost. But at least it would of not been a blowout
Blame to the Coach
Can't argue with that

Re: blame on yesterday's big loss is on Stevens
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2014, 01:01:39 PM »

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My worry is that Stevens and the team didn't adjust their offense to counter how the Rockets were playing it. Every possession the Rockets extended their D to push us way out to the three line and beyond and make it difficult to swing the ball quickly, which we are successful at... If the Rockets can defend us like they did and contain us, what will stop other teams from doing the same?

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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2014, 01:04:02 PM »

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My worry is that Stevens and the team didn't adjust their offense to counter how the Rockets were playing it. Every possession the Rockets extended their D to push us way out to the three line and beyond and make it difficult to swing the ball quickly, which we are successful at... If the Rockets can defend us like they did and contain us, what will stop other teams from doing the same?
It's not about the Rocket's defense, it's about our offense
their defense isn't that good,(except in the paint of course)

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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2014, 01:14:22 PM »

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My worry is that Stevens and the team didn't adjust their offense to counter how the Rockets were playing it. Every possession the Rockets extended their D to push us way out to the three line and beyond and make it difficult to swing the ball quickly, which we are successful at... If the Rockets can defend us like they did and contain us, what will stop other teams from doing the same?

I don't think any adjustments were necessary. We had 60 points in the paint, and we had very good three-point opportunities. As many of pointed out, if we even made a below average percentage of these wide-open three pointers, we would have been competitive or even have won.