I already like Marcus Smart better than Rondo as our starting PG

[Eddie20]

The good news is that the Rondo question will be definitively answered, very soon. Reason: Coach Stevens' new system is so dramatically different from the way Rondo has played in the past. Therefore, when RR comes back, we can expect that it will be immediately obvious whether or not he is fitting into the new system. I think we'll know after one game. Maybe two or three, but I think one will suffice.

If Rondo does the old walk-pound-and-wait routine, then that will be that.

+1

  Neither of you may have noticed, but Rondo played half a season in Brad's system last year. And, fyi, much of the play in preseason doesn't continue into the regular season. Anyone remember Darko on the break from a few years back?

That's why i don't think Rondo will/can adjust to Brad's system and will soon to be traded
Yes the injury excuse will buy him some time but it's just a matter of time

  To a certain extent, Brad needs to be able to tailor his system to fit his personnel. He basically did that last year when Rondo was ready to play. He'll do the same thing if Danny adds any star players to the team. If not he'll be another Pitino for us.

Rondo is not at the same level of lebron, jordan, duncan and other greats.  Absolutely no way. They might have a great deal of freedom  to ultimately run/direct the team on both ends.  Take over in crucial situations to secure wins

Again rondo is not at the same level and what BS wants/the system in place for the team comes first

  So you're under the impression that unless teams have players at the level of MJ or LeBron they just institute whatever generic system they prefer regardless of the personnel that they have? That's absurd. And, again, that's the kind of coaching we got from Pitino. If that's all we're getting from Stevens then we're doomed.

Greg Popovich  is about the system 1st.   Not everyone is going to be a failure like pitino if they utilize this kind of system

When we won the championship, that season we played amazing team basketball also if you forgot.

Good point.

Rondo has too many flaws to build around him. He's good, but he's not that good. How many teams are building around a top 10 positional player?

[Donoghus]

The good news is that the Rondo question will be definitively answered, very soon. Reason: Coach Stevens' new system is so dramatically different from the way Rondo has played in the past. Therefore, when RR comes back, we can expect that it will be immediately obvious whether or not he is fitting into the new system. I think we'll know after one game. Maybe two or three, but I think one will suffice.

If Rondo does the old walk-pound-and-wait routine, then that will be that.

+1

  Neither of you may have noticed, but Rondo played half a season in Brad's system last year. And, fyi, much of the play in preseason doesn't continue into the regular season. Anyone remember Darko on the break from a few years back?

That's why i don't think Rondo will/can adjust to Brad's system and will soon to be traded
Yes the injury excuse will buy him some time but it's just a matter of time

  To a certain extent, Brad needs to be able to tailor his system to fit his personnel. He basically did that last year when Rondo was ready to play. He'll do the same thing if Danny adds any star players to the team. If not he'll be another Pitino for us.

Rondo is not at the same level of lebron, jordan, duncan and other greats.  Absolutely no way. They might have a great deal of freedom  to ultimately run/direct the team on both ends.  Take over in crucial situations to secure wins

Again rondo is not at the same level and what BS wants/the system in place for the team comes first

  So you're under the impression that unless teams have players at the level of MJ or LeBron they just institute whatever generic system they prefer regardless of the personnel that they have? That's absurd. And, again, that's the kind of coaching we got from Pitino. If that's all we're getting from Stevens then we're doomed.

Greg Popovich  is about the system 1st.   Not everyone is going to be a failure like pitino if they utilize this kind of system

When we won the championship, that season we played amazing team basketball also if you forgot.

Good point.

Rondo has too many flaws to build around him. He's good, but he's not that good. How many teams are building around a top 10 positional player?

You don't necessarily have to build around him with the intention of him being the #1 guy on the team but you can keep him around & add guys around including an alpha dog type.  If Rondo is the #2 or even #3 guy on this Celtics team, they'll be fine. 

[Juneauz]

To be honest, All this hype surrounding Smart is beginning to bother me. Man, talk about green-colored glasses. The kid hasn't even played a regular season game yet, and the 2 friendly matches we got from him were FAR from amazing... Turner or Sully had great games, not Smart.

Even to think about a comparison with Rondo is flat-out ridiculous, IMHO

[Eddie20]

The good news is that the Rondo question will be definitively answered, very soon. Reason: Coach Stevens' new system is so dramatically different from the way Rondo has played in the past. Therefore, when RR comes back, we can expect that it will be immediately obvious whether or not he is fitting into the new system. I think we'll know after one game. Maybe two or three, but I think one will suffice.

If Rondo does the old walk-pound-and-wait routine, then that will be that.

+1

  Neither of you may have noticed, but Rondo played half a season in Brad's system last year. And, fyi, much of the play in preseason doesn't continue into the regular season. Anyone remember Darko on the break from a few years back?

That's why i don't think Rondo will/can adjust to Brad's system and will soon to be traded
Yes the injury excuse will buy him some time but it's just a matter of time

  To a certain extent, Brad needs to be able to tailor his system to fit his personnel. He basically did that last year when Rondo was ready to play. He'll do the same thing if Danny adds any star players to the team. If not he'll be another Pitino for us.

Rondo is not at the same level of lebron, jordan, duncan and other greats.  Absolutely no way. They might have a great deal of freedom  to ultimately run/direct the team on both ends.  Take over in crucial situations to secure wins

Again rondo is not at the same level and what BS wants/the system in place for the team comes first

  So you're under the impression that unless teams have players at the level of MJ or LeBron they just institute whatever generic system they prefer regardless of the personnel that they have? That's absurd. And, again, that's the kind of coaching we got from Pitino. If that's all we're getting from Stevens then we're doomed.

Greg Popovich  is about the system 1st.   Not everyone is going to be a failure like pitino if they utilize this kind of system

When we won the championship, that season we played amazing team basketball also if you forgot.

Good point.

Rondo has too many flaws to build around him. He's good, but he's not that good. How many teams are building around a top 10 positional player?

You don't necessarily have to build around him with the intention of him being the #1 guy on the team but you can keep him around & add guys around including an alpha dog type.  If Rondo is the #2 or even #3 guy on this Celtics team, they'll be fine.

So this means that when we do add that alpha dog we'll hide Rondo along the baseline offensively like we did in 08. It would be incredibly difficult to win a title with Rondo as even our 3rd guy. Who do you think would be two perfect guys to put around Rondo to complement his skills? Then ask yourself if we are a legitimate title contender with those 3 guys and how likely it would be to acquire those said players in the first place.

Rondo's game is dictated on such ball dominance coupled with his lack of outside shooting that means that the rest of the roster needs to be very specific to his skill-set. A lot of hoops to hurdle for a fringe all-star.

[Tr1boy]

The good news is that the Rondo question will be definitively answered, very soon. Reason: Coach Stevens' new system is so dramatically different from the way Rondo has played in the past. Therefore, when RR comes back, we can expect that it will be immediately obvious whether or not he is fitting into the new system. I think we'll know after one game. Maybe two or three, but I think one will suffice.

If Rondo does the old walk-pound-and-wait routine, then that will be that.

+1

  Neither of you may have noticed, but Rondo played half a season in Brad's system last year. And, fyi, much of the play in preseason doesn't continue into the regular season. Anyone remember Darko on the break from a few years back?

That's why i don't think Rondo will/can adjust to Brad's system and will soon to be traded
Yes the injury excuse will buy him some time but it's just a matter of time

  To a certain extent, Brad needs to be able to tailor his system to fit his personnel. He basically did that last year when Rondo was ready to play. He'll do the same thing if Danny adds any star players to the team. If not he'll be another Pitino for us.

Rondo is not at the same level of lebron, jordan, duncan and other greats.  Absolutely no way. They might have a great deal of freedom  to ultimately run/direct the team on both ends.  Take over in crucial situations to secure wins

Again rondo is not at the same level and what BS wants/the system in place for the team comes first

  So you're under the impression that unless teams have players at the level of MJ or LeBron they just institute whatever generic system they prefer regardless of the personnel that they have? That's absurd. And, again, that's the kind of coaching we got from Pitino. If that's all we're getting from Stevens then we're doomed.

Greg Popovich  is about the system 1st.   Not everyone is going to be a failure like pitino if they utilize this kind of system

When we won the championship, that season we played amazing team basketball also if you forgot.

Good point.

Rondo has too many flaws to build around him. He's good, but he's not that good. How many teams are building around a top 10 positional player?

You don't necessarily have to build around him with the intention of him being the #1 guy on the team but you can keep him around & add guys around including an alpha dog type.  If Rondo is the #2 or even #3 guy on this Celtics team, they'll be fine.

Ok fine. But the problem is Rondo thinks he a is #1 calibre player and wants max money.

[Donoghus]

The good news is that the Rondo question will be definitively answered, very soon. Reason: Coach Stevens' new system is so dramatically different from the way Rondo has played in the past. Therefore, when RR comes back, we can expect that it will be immediately obvious whether or not he is fitting into the new system. I think we'll know after one game. Maybe two or three, but I think one will suffice.

If Rondo does the old walk-pound-and-wait routine, then that will be that.

+1

  Neither of you may have noticed, but Rondo played half a season in Brad's system last year. And, fyi, much of the play in preseason doesn't continue into the regular season. Anyone remember Darko on the break from a few years back?

That's why i don't think Rondo will/can adjust to Brad's system and will soon to be traded
Yes the injury excuse will buy him some time but it's just a matter of time

  To a certain extent, Brad needs to be able to tailor his system to fit his personnel. He basically did that last year when Rondo was ready to play. He'll do the same thing if Danny adds any star players to the team. If not he'll be another Pitino for us.

Rondo is not at the same level of lebron, jordan, duncan and other greats.  Absolutely no way. They might have a great deal of freedom  to ultimately run/direct the team on both ends.  Take over in crucial situations to secure wins

Again rondo is not at the same level and what BS wants/the system in place for the team comes first

  So you're under the impression that unless teams have players at the level of MJ or LeBron they just institute whatever generic system they prefer regardless of the personnel that they have? That's absurd. And, again, that's the kind of coaching we got from Pitino. If that's all we're getting from Stevens then we're doomed.

Greg Popovich  is about the system 1st.   Not everyone is going to be a failure like pitino if they utilize this kind of system

When we won the championship, that season we played amazing team basketball also if you forgot.

Good point.

Rondo has too many flaws to build around him. He's good, but he's not that good. How many teams are building around a top 10 positional player?

You don't necessarily have to build around him with the intention of him being the #1 guy on the team but you can keep him around & add guys around including an alpha dog type.  If Rondo is the #2 or even #3 guy on this Celtics team, they'll be fine.

So this means that when we do add that alpha dog we'll hide Rondo along the baseline offensively like we did in 08. It would be incredibly difficult to win a title with Rondo as even our 3rd guy. Who do you think would be two perfect guys to put around Rondo to complement his skills? Then ask yourself if we are a legitimate title contender with those 3 guys and how likely it would be to acquire those said players in the first place.

Rondo's game is dictated on such ball dominance coupled with his lack of outside shooting that means that the rest of the roster needs to be very specific to his skill-set. A lot of hoops to hurdle for a fringe all-star.

I don't think you need to hide him along the baseline.  Rondo of today is a better basketball player now than he was 6 years ago.  The health is the question mark. 

You could argue he was one of their best 3 players in 2010 and they came within a quarter of winning a title.  He was probably the best player or 2nd best player on the 2012 squad which came within a win of another finals appearance.  So the thought isn't exactly ludicrous. 

The ideal complements would be a wing player who can create his own shot and they would need someone down low.  Now if they get a legit big man or even a legitimate starting 5 and either Kelly or Sully takes that next step, then you're talking about them contending in the east.

The biggest hurdles is the "ifs" facing this team right now.  Acquiring the complementary guys is the issue. No easy task.  Will it happen?  I don't know and it might take until summer '16 to really find out. 

[Donoghus]

The good news is that the Rondo question will be definitively answered, very soon. Reason: Coach Stevens' new system is so dramatically different from the way Rondo has played in the past. Therefore, when RR comes back, we can expect that it will be immediately obvious whether or not he is fitting into the new system. I think we'll know after one game. Maybe two or three, but I think one will suffice.

If Rondo does the old walk-pound-and-wait routine, then that will be that.

+1

  Neither of you may have noticed, but Rondo played half a season in Brad's system last year. And, fyi, much of the play in preseason doesn't continue into the regular season. Anyone remember Darko on the break from a few years back?

That's why i don't think Rondo will/can adjust to Brad's system and will soon to be traded
Yes the injury excuse will buy him some time but it's just a matter of time

  To a certain extent, Brad needs to be able to tailor his system to fit his personnel. He basically did that last year when Rondo was ready to play. He'll do the same thing if Danny adds any star players to the team. If not he'll be another Pitino for us.

Rondo is not at the same level of lebron, jordan, duncan and other greats.  Absolutely no way. They might have a great deal of freedom  to ultimately run/direct the team on both ends.  Take over in crucial situations to secure wins

Again rondo is not at the same level and what BS wants/the system in place for the team comes first

  So you're under the impression that unless teams have players at the level of MJ or LeBron they just institute whatever generic system they prefer regardless of the personnel that they have? That's absurd. And, again, that's the kind of coaching we got from Pitino. If that's all we're getting from Stevens then we're doomed.

Greg Popovich  is about the system 1st.   Not everyone is going to be a failure like pitino if they utilize this kind of system

When we won the championship, that season we played amazing team basketball also if you forgot.

Good point.

Rondo has too many flaws to build around him. He's good, but he's not that good. How many teams are building around a top 10 positional player?

You don't necessarily have to build around him with the intention of him being the #1 guy on the team but you can keep him around & add guys around including an alpha dog type.  If Rondo is the #2 or even #3 guy on this Celtics team, they'll be fine.

Ok fine. But the problem is Rondo thinks he a is #1 calibre player and wants max money.

How do you know he thinks that?  Because he might end up with max money? That automatically makes him think he's a #1 guy? 

Can he still be a floor leader with a max deal but not necessarily the alpha dog on a team? Or does that violate the triboy school of logic?

[BballTim]

The good news is that the Rondo question will be definitively answered, very soon. Reason: Coach Stevens' new system is so dramatically different from the way Rondo has played in the past. Therefore, when RR comes back, we can expect that it will be immediately obvious whether or not he is fitting into the new system. I think we'll know after one game. Maybe two or three, but I think one will suffice.

If Rondo does the old walk-pound-and-wait routine, then that will be that.

+1

  Neither of you may have noticed, but Rondo played half a season in Brad's system last year. And, fyi, much of the play in preseason doesn't continue into the regular season. Anyone remember Darko on the break from a few years back?

That's why i don't think Rondo will/can adjust to Brad's system and will soon to be traded
Yes the injury excuse will buy him some time but it's just a matter of time

  To a certain extent, Brad needs to be able to tailor his system to fit his personnel. He basically did that last year when Rondo was ready to play. He'll do the same thing if Danny adds any star players to the team. If not he'll be another Pitino for us.

Rondo is not at the same level of lebron, jordan, duncan and other greats.  Absolutely no way. They might have a great deal of freedom  to ultimately run/direct the team on both ends.  Take over in crucial situations to secure wins

Again rondo is not at the same level and what BS wants/the system in place for the team comes first

  So you're under the impression that unless teams have players at the level of MJ or LeBron they just institute whatever generic system they prefer regardless of the personnel that they have? That's absurd. And, again, that's the kind of coaching we got from Pitino. If that's all we're getting from Stevens then we're doomed.

Greg Popovich  is about the system 1st.   Not everyone is going to be a failure like pitino if they utilize this kind of system

When we won the championship, that season we played amazing team basketball also if you forgot.

Good point.

Rondo has too many flaws to build around him. He's good, but he's not that good. How many teams are building around a top 10 positional player?

You don't necessarily have to build around him with the intention of him being the #1 guy on the team but you can keep him around & add guys around including an alpha dog type.  If Rondo is the #2 or even #3 guy on this Celtics team, they'll be fine.

So this means that when we do add that alpha dog we'll hide Rondo along the baseline offensively like we did in 08. It would be incredibly difficult to win a title with Rondo as even our 3rd guy. Who do you think would be two perfect guys to put around Rondo to complement his skills? Then ask yourself if we are a legitimate title contender with those 3 guys and how likely it would be to acquire those said players in the first place.

Rondo's game is dictated on such ball dominance coupled with his lack of outside shooting that means that the rest of the roster needs to be very specific to his skill-set. A lot of hoops to hurdle for a fringe all-star.

  Rondo's already taken the team on deep playoff runs as one of our top 3 players. Saying it would be incredibly hard to win with him as one of our best players is fairly ridiculous.

[Tr1boy]

The good news is that the Rondo question will be definitively answered, very soon. Reason: Coach Stevens' new system is so dramatically different from the way Rondo has played in the past. Therefore, when RR comes back, we can expect that it will be immediately obvious whether or not he is fitting into the new system. I think we'll know after one game. Maybe two or three, but I think one will suffice.

If Rondo does the old walk-pound-and-wait routine, then that will be that.

+1

  Neither of you may have noticed, but Rondo played half a season in Brad's system last year. And, fyi, much of the play in preseason doesn't continue into the regular season. Anyone remember Darko on the break from a few years back?

That's why i don't think Rondo will/can adjust to Brad's system and will soon to be traded
Yes the injury excuse will buy him some time but it's just a matter of time

  To a certain extent, Brad needs to be able to tailor his system to fit his personnel. He basically did that last year when Rondo was ready to play. He'll do the same thing if Danny adds any star players to the team. If not he'll be another Pitino for us.

Rondo is not at the same level of lebron, jordan, duncan and other greats.  Absolutely no way. They might have a great deal of freedom  to ultimately run/direct the team on both ends.  Take over in crucial situations to secure wins

Again rondo is not at the same level and what BS wants/the system in place for the team comes first

  So you're under the impression that unless teams have players at the level of MJ or LeBron they just institute whatever generic system they prefer regardless of the personnel that they have? That's absurd. And, again, that's the kind of coaching we got from Pitino. If that's all we're getting from Stevens then we're doomed.

Greg Popovich  is about the system 1st.   Not everyone is going to be a failure like pitino if they utilize this kind of system

When we won the championship, that season we played amazing team basketball also if you forgot.

Good point.

Rondo has too many flaws to build around him. He's good, but he's not that good. How many teams are building around a top 10 positional player?

You don't necessarily have to build around him with the intention of him being the #1 guy on the team but you can keep him around & add guys around including an alpha dog type.  If Rondo is the #2 or even #3 guy on this Celtics team, they'll be fine.

Ok fine. But the problem is Rondo thinks he a is #1 calibre player and wants max money.

How do you know he thinks that?  Because he might end up with max money? That automatically makes him think he's a #1 guy? 

Can he still be a floor leader with a max deal but not necessarily the alpha dog on a team? Or does that violate the triboy school of logic?

So a number 1-3 guy all are suppose to make the same. Sure that makes sense. 

And please dont act like you think Rondo is a humble player. He pounds on the ball, slow downs the play like he thinks he is on the same level as a some of the great players

Tony parker has not asked for max and was and is seriously underpaid. He also doesnt pound the ball or thinks he is the "one" on the team . He doesnt play like that for the spurs, doesnt play like that in international play. And he is a better player than rondo

[Fafnir]

Greg Popovich  is about the system 1st.   Not everyone is going to be a failure like pitino if they utilize this kind of system

When we won the championship, that season we played amazing team basketball also if you forgot.

Popovich has changed his offense massively during Duncan's career, anything but static. He molded it to fit Duncan, then Parker's talents as each was at their apex.

I never said anything about not playing team basketball, just that the idea that Stevens system being prioritized over talent is misguided.

[sunnyd656]

You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.

I'm willing to bet it was hilarious though.

[TwinTower14]

Smart is the PG of the future and it's pretty evident that Ainge and Stevens feel the same way.  If they wanted to keep Rondo around for the rebuild wouldn't they have gone in a different direction on draft night??  If they wanted Rondo around I would think Ainge would have grabbed Randle, Staukas or Vonleh???  They all would have filled a need on this team..

Instead they took a PG who they believe will be a better fit for this team going forward??? 

Again Rondo is a good player but he is no where near a max player ( which he wants to get paid ) so he will get dealt or let walk at the end of the season...

To me Rondo's tenure ended here once Steven's signed on to be the coach....

[BudweiserCeltic]

Smart is the PG of the future and it's pretty evident that Ainge and Stevens feel the same way.  If they wanted to keep Rondo around for the rebuild wouldn't they have gone in a different direction on draft night??  If they wanted Rondo around I would think Ainge would have grabbed Randle, Staukas or Vonleh???  They all would have filled a need on this team..

Instead they took a PG who they believe will be a better fit for this team going forward??? 

Again Rondo is a good player but he is no where near a max player ( which he wants to get paid ) so he will get dealt or let walk at the end of the season...

To me Rondo's tenure ended here once Steven's signed on to be the coach....

First, none of those would've filled a need for this team.

Second of all, I was a big fan of drafting Smart as I'm a big fan of keeping Rondo, so no, your reasoning for how "evident" this all is is quite flawed.

[Donoghus]

The good news is that the Rondo question will be definitively answered, very soon. Reason: Coach Stevens' new system is so dramatically different from the way Rondo has played in the past. Therefore, when RR comes back, we can expect that it will be immediately obvious whether or not he is fitting into the new system. I think we'll know after one game. Maybe two or three, but I think one will suffice.

If Rondo does the old walk-pound-and-wait routine, then that will be that.

+1

  Neither of you may have noticed, but Rondo played half a season in Brad's system last year. And, fyi, much of the play in preseason doesn't continue into the regular season. Anyone remember Darko on the break from a few years back?

That's why i don't think Rondo will/can adjust to Brad's system and will soon to be traded
Yes the injury excuse will buy him some time but it's just a matter of time

  To a certain extent, Brad needs to be able to tailor his system to fit his personnel. He basically did that last year when Rondo was ready to play. He'll do the same thing if Danny adds any star players to the team. If not he'll be another Pitino for us.

Rondo is not at the same level of lebron, jordan, duncan and other greats.  Absolutely no way. They might have a great deal of freedom  to ultimately run/direct the team on both ends.  Take over in crucial situations to secure wins

Again rondo is not at the same level and what BS wants/the system in place for the team comes first

  So you're under the impression that unless teams have players at the level of MJ or LeBron they just institute whatever generic system they prefer regardless of the personnel that they have? That's absurd. And, again, that's the kind of coaching we got from Pitino. If that's all we're getting from Stevens then we're doomed.

Greg Popovich  is about the system 1st.   Not everyone is going to be a failure like pitino if they utilize this kind of system

When we won the championship, that season we played amazing team basketball also if you forgot.

Good point.

Rondo has too many flaws to build around him. He's good, but he's not that good. How many teams are building around a top 10 positional player?

You don't necessarily have to build around him with the intention of him being the #1 guy on the team but you can keep him around & add guys around including an alpha dog type.  If Rondo is the #2 or even #3 guy on this Celtics team, they'll be fine.

Ok fine. But the problem is Rondo thinks he a is #1 calibre player and wants max money.

How do you know he thinks that?  Because he might end up with max money? That automatically makes him think he's a #1 guy? 

Can he still be a floor leader with a max deal but not necessarily the alpha dog on a team? Or does that violate the triboy school of logic?

So a number 1-3 guy all are suppose to make the same. Sure that makes sense. 

And please dont act like you think Rondo is a humble player. He pounds on the ball, slow downs the play like he thinks he is on the same level as a some of the great players

Tony parker has not asked for max and was and is seriously underpaid. He also doesnt pound the ball or thinks he is the "one" on the team . He doesnt play like that for the spurs, doesnt play like that in international play. And he is a better player than rondo

There's no sense in having any rational discussion with you on Rondo.  It's been apparent for quite a while now that you have a seriously skewed and bias outlook on the guy. 

There's no point.

[TwinTower14]

Smart is the PG of the future and it's pretty evident that Ainge and Stevens feel the same way.  If they wanted to keep Rondo around for the rebuild wouldn't they have gone in a different direction on draft night??  If they wanted Rondo around I would think Ainge would have grabbed Randle, Staukas or Vonleh???  They all would have filled a need on this team..

Instead they took a PG who they believe will be a better fit for this team going forward??? 

Again Rondo is a good player but he is no where near a max player ( which he wants to get paid ) so he will get dealt or let walk at the end of the season...

To me Rondo's tenure ended here once Steven's signed on to be the coach....

First, none of those would've filled a need for this team.

Second of all, I was a big fan of drafting Smart as I'm a big fan of keeping Rondo, so no, your reasoning for how "evident" this all is is quite flawed.

Yea you are right they didn't need a shooting guard or a rim protector....