UTAH-Boston Trade Idea

[CFAN38]

It is early and the rest of the preseason will shed more light as to whether or not this is a good idea. I think think the Cs need to explore a Sullinger for Kanter trade. The idea definitely has its flaws. The Cs would be giving up the more productive player who they have a cheap team option for this off-season. Where as Kanter is RFA after this season.

A week ago I would have balked at this trade as I have been a huge Sully fan. However his weight really bothers me. I defended BBD for his weight and up an till now I have defended Sullys. To me the fact that with a healthy off-season he looks heavier then last season is inexcusable.

Aside from the upcoming contract Kanter is fare from a perfect prospect. He doesnt bring the team a true rim protector and is still developing as a defender. He is a center and would plug right in as the starter while still only 22. Zeller is also to early to judge but didnt wow me in the first game. Injecting a young true center would move KO to starting PF and open up minutes more minutes to the very deserving Bass.

For the Jazz this trade adds balance to their big man rotation. Favors moves to center and Sully starts at PF. He would be paired with his life long friend Trey Burke. Sully would add a true PF skill set and scoring to the position for them. Allowing Favors to play his natural position. This would also open up more minutes for Gobert.     

[krumeto]

Good realistic trade, I like it and would do it.

[MBunge]

Neither team is going to consider it at this time but it both suck again this season, that would not be a bad trade at all.

Mike

[Endless Paradise]

Entirely fair trade. I've said before that I wouldn't be surprised to see Utah trade Kanter this year and I'd be willing to bet if they've already started exploring potential deals internally that Boston has already been identified as a potential match.

[clover]

I don't want to keep Sully either, though I imagine they'd like to plump his value, so to speak,  before seeing what they can get for him.

But given how many teams examined and passed on the risk with his back at the draft, I don't know that the market is gonna be great. I wouldn't mind this trade.

[2short]

I think we need to look at a trade (or ainge    )
that deals sully, bass or kelly, one power forward, one shooting guard and a draft pick(s) for a better quality big
the log jam at power forward isn't going to change until we move someone
bass is solid, we know what he can do
sully looks to have a higher ceiling
kelly can give us minutes at center also and looks to have a higher ceiling than sully

but so far no one has done anything to distinguish themselves from the others, each guy has strengths and weaknesses

[slamtheking]

It is early and the rest of the preseason will shed more light as to whether or not this is a good idea. I think think the Cs need to explore a Sullinger for Kanter trade. The idea definitely has its flaws. The Cs would be giving up the more productive player who they have a cheap team option for this off-season. Where as Kanter is RFA after this season.

you've just given the exact reason why not to do this.

A week ago I would have balked at this trade as I have been a huge Sully fan. However his weight really bothers me. I defended BBD for his weight and up an till now I have defended Sullys. To me the fact that with a healthy off-season he looks heavier then last season is inexcusable.

sorry, not seeing this.  Sully looks fine

Aside from the upcoming contract Kanter is far from a perfect prospect.

how so?  you go on to point out why he's NOT the perfect prospect.

He doesn't bring the team a true rim protector and is still developing as a defender.

he's not a rim protector which is what we need.  if we're trading a young, cost-controlled PF, we better be getting that type of player back without having to cross our fingers and HOPE he develops into one.  Particularly when that 'prospect' has been in the league longer and had more time to develop

He is a center and would plug right in as the starter while still only 22.

Zeller's young too.  what's your point?  that he's a center that hasn't proven anything yet either?  that doesn't make him a starter.

Zeller is also to early to judge but didn't wow me in the first game. Injecting a young true center would move KO to starting PF and open up minutes more minutes to the very deserving Bass.

Zeller didn't wow anyone but Kanter hasn't wowed anyone either.  exchanging one underperformer for another and the one you want to use has been in the league longer to try and show something.  not seeing the point especially when Kanter will need to be paid more after this year.

No desire to make this trade.  I have no desire to trade a better prospect for an inferior one just because the inferior one plays a position we're thin at.  We'd still be lacking talent at center after this deal, we'd just have another body to play the position.


if you were swapping Bass for Kanter, I'd try that not that Utah wants a role-playing vet. 

[Endless Paradise]

Utah also wouldn't trade Kanter for Bass.

[Csfan1984]

If you want this because Sully's weight is an issue than that is not a good reason.  Sully unfortunately was the same weight and shape going into last year and he had a decent year. Weight isn't as big an issue here. Now if you really want Olynyk at PF and wanted some one better than Zeller at Center, than Kanter could do that for us.

[CFAN38]

If you want this because Sully's weight is an issue than that is not a good reason.  Sully unfortunately was the same weight and shape going into last year and he had a decent year. Weight isn't as big an issue here. Now if you really want Olynyk at PF and wanted some one better than Zeller at Center, than Kanter could do that for us.

Sullys actual weight is not my issue. Its his lack of progress physically. Two off-seasons ago he had back surgery and was laid up in bed for a while. This was an absolute excuse to come into camp heavy. He still played well and showed promise last season. This off-season they was no reason not to shed some weight. Granted I dont expect Sully to show up in the 250s but 260s should have been manageable. To me he looks closer to 300 then 260. I have been a sully supporter since before the Cs drafted him and was very excited when he fell in the draft. I just dont think he is showing the work ethic to progress as a player. I dont think Kanter is the ideal player but it seems like a trade that will work and Kanter seems like a player who can progress further with the Cs then Sully. I hope im wrong and Sully matures into our very own Zack Randolph but I am becoming pessimistic. 

[Old Wine]

Sully has no respect for the fans, for he's teammates, for the franchise or even for himself. Get whatever you can for him Danny.

[slamtheking]

If you want this because Sully's weight is an issue than that is not a good reason.  Sully unfortunately was the same weight and shape going into last year and he had a decent year. Weight isn't as big an issue here. Now if you really want Olynyk at PF and wanted some one better than Zeller at Center, than Kanter could do that for us.

Sullys actual weight is not my issue. Its his lack of progress physically. Two off-seasons ago he had back surgery and was laid up in bed for a while. This was an absolute excuse to come into camp heavy. He still played well and showed promise last season. This off-season they was no reason not to shed some weight. Granted I don't expect Sully to show up in the 250s but 260s should have been manageable. To me he looks closer to 300 then 260. I have been a sully supporter since before the Cs drafted him and was very excited when he fell in the draft. I just dont think he is showing the work ethic to progress as a player. I dont think Kanter is the ideal player but it seems like a trade that will work and Kanter seems like a player who can progress further with the Cs then Sully. I hope im wrong and Sully matures into our very own Zack Randolph but I am becoming pessimistic. 

So, you're going based off how you think he looks rather than what he actually weighs?  do you work at the local carnival guessing people's weights?

Sully looked fine.  there's definitely a difference in his appearance from last year to this year.   He's definitely looking slimmer.

[slamtheking]

Sully has no respect for the fans, for he's teammates, for the franchise or even for himself. Get whatever you can for him Danny.

and this is based on?

[CFAN38]

If you want this because Sully's weight is an issue than that is not a good reason.  Sully unfortunately was the same weight and shape going into last year and he had a decent year. Weight isn't as big an issue here. Now if you really want Olynyk at PF and wanted some one better than Zeller at Center, than Kanter could do that for us.

Sullys actual weight is not my issue. Its his lack of progress physically. Two off-seasons ago he had back surgery and was laid up in bed for a while. This was an absolute excuse to come into camp heavy. He still played well and showed promise last season. This off-season they was no reason not to shed some weight. Granted I don't expect Sully to show up in the 250s but 260s should have been manageable. To me he looks closer to 300 then 260. I have been a sully supporter since before the Cs drafted him and was very excited when he fell in the draft. I just dont think he is showing the work ethic to progress as a player. I dont think Kanter is the ideal player but it seems like a trade that will work and Kanter seems like a player who can progress further with the Cs then Sully. I hope im wrong and Sully matures into our very own Zack Randolph but I am becoming pessimistic. 

So, you're going based off how you think he looks rather than what he actually weighs?  do you work at the local carnival guessing people's weights?

Sully looked fine.  there's definitely a difference in his appearance from last year to this year.   He's definitely looking slimmer.

I do not work for a carnival but have always had a great knack for guessing weights. Possibly at a carnival level.

In all seriousness I am a Sully fan and supporter I am just disappointed. In my opinion he looks as heavy or heavier then last season. This makes me question his work ethic. I didn't expect him to show up looking like Patric Young but did expect some improvement. If you think he looks slimmer and in better shape then you are entitled to that opinion and I hope you are correct.

[nickagneta]

For a guy that pulled down 13 rebounds in 26 minutes the other night, people really seem to be down on Sullinger. I don't want Sully being fat but if he is going to play down low, I want bulk on him and I just want him getting in better cardiovascular shape more than anything else.

I think the kid has the chance to be an 18 pt/10 rebound a night player in this league. Giving him up for Kanter would be a major step backwards in the talent department in my book.