Cavs trying to acquire Roy Hibbert?

[crimson_stallion]

And yes, if the Cavs do get Hibbert it will be absolute horse poop.

Getting sick and tired of the way this league picks and chooses it's fights.  On one hand it claims to ne changing the CBA to disallow teams from signing multiple stars...on the other hand it puts in place a system that allows teams like the Nash/Kobe/Gasol/Dwight Lakers and the Irving/Lebron/Love/Hibbert Cavs to happen.

There should be sone type of rule that disallows teams from having more than two max contract players on their rosters. 

This would limit the number of silly max contracts (like Hayward) because teams would only use their max contracts on genuine max contract calibre players.  It would also mean that teams cant do things like sign two max free agents,  and then acquiring additional max contract guys through trades.

This also means that if teams want to try and build a big 3 (or 4) some of those guys will need to sacrifice and take pay cuts (less likely in today's money hungry league)  or else teams will need to build using strategy rather than just buying up as many stars as they can afford.

[D.o.s.]

They'd have LeBron and Hibbert to play all the defense.

No way Sideshow Andy gets traded -- LeBron loves him.

yeah but Lebron loves winning more.

Meh. He didn't go back to Cleveland to win a ring.

which is not to say he wouldn't prefer it, of course.

Yeah, he did.

He msy not have gone there EXPECTING a ring the first season, but he went there because they were one of the few teams that had the money to pay him what he wanted (with him being no-discount-bron amd all) and as well as the ability to build a young contender around him.

If you think he went to Cleveland with the belief that he'll never win a ring with them,  think again.   The guy knew exactly what the team was planning, I assure you.

It's true that if Micky Arison was willing to pay the luxury tax, LeBron never leaves Miami. On the other hand, he went back to Cleveland this summer, in large part, because his personal legacy is secured -- something that wasn't anything close to secured with the Cavs. He could never win another ring and he'll go down as one of the best ever.

On the other hand, if you interpreted my post as James holding the belief that he'll never win a ring with the Cabs, you might need to reread it.

[D.o.s.]

And yes, if the Cavs do get Hibbert it will be absolute horse poop.

Getting sick and tired of the way this league picks and chooses it's fights.  On one hand it claims to ne changing the CBA to disallow teams from signing multiple stars...on the other hand it puts in place a system that allows teams like the Nash/Kobe/Gasol/Dwight Lakers and the Irving/Lebron/Love/Hibbert Cavs to happen.

There should be sone type of rule that disallows teams from having more than two max contract players on their rosters. 

This would limit the number of silly max contracts (like Hayward) because teams would only use their max contracts on genuine max contract calibre players.  It would also mean that teams cant do things like sign two max free agents,  and then acquiring additional max contract guys through trades.

This also means that if teams want to try and build a big 3 (or 4) some of those guys will need to sacrifice and take pay cuts (less likely in today's money hungry league)  or else teams will need to build using strategy rather than just buying up as many stars as they can afford.

[Roy H.]

It makes more sense next off-season, when they can offer Haywood's non-guaranteed deal.

[LooseCannon]

Getting sick and tired of the way this league picks and chooses it's fights.  On one hand it claims to ne changing the CBA to disallow teams from signing multiple stars...on the other hand it puts in place a system that allows teams like the Nash/Kobe/Gasol/Dwight Lakers and the Irving/Lebron/Love/Hibbert Cavs to happen.

Any claim by the league/owners that the CBA was meant to discourage teams from signing multiple stars would be a lie.  The new CBA was driven by the owners' desire to increase their profits by reducing payroll costs.

[mgent]

They could probably lure at least 5-6 bigs better than Hibbert.  Why settle?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

What does Cleveland have to offer Indy for them to bite? Salary relief? They cant be thia dumb right? Why would Indy help Cavs to be contenders for the next 5 years without getting good value back?

Also, wasnt this TSpence the guy who got trolled by some dude pretending to be a Minny FO personell? How credible is thia guy?

[Nef-Oracle]

Hide your players! The Cavs are signing everybody out there...

[Nef-Oracle]

Not only but they are also interested in McGee, Mozgov, Okafor & Hickson. Lebron is trying to build a better version of the big three he had in South beach. Wondering if they will not call for Bass...

[fairweatherfan]

And yes, if the Cavs do get Hibbert it will be absolute horse poop.

Getting sick and tired of the way this league picks and chooses it's fights.  On one hand it claims to ne changing the CBA to disallow teams from signing multiple stars...on the other hand it puts in place a system that allows teams like the Nash/Kobe/Gasol/Dwight Lakers and the Irving/Lebron/Love/Hibbert Cavs to happen.

There should be sone type of rule that disallows teams from having more than two max contract players on their rosters. 

This would limit the number of silly max contracts (like Hayward) because teams would only use their max contracts on genuine max contract calibre players.  It would also mean that teams cant do things like sign two max free agents,  and then acquiring additional max contract guys through trades.

This also means that if teams want to try and build a big 3 (or 4) some of those guys will need to sacrifice and take pay cuts (less likely in today's money hungry league)  or else teams will need to build using strategy rather than just buying up as many stars as they can afford.

Cue a flood of players taking the max minus $1 to play.

And it's hard to criticize the league for letting the Bron/Irving/Love/Hibbert Cavs happen when they haven't happened. 

[csfansince60s]

No way this happens. Not for Dion Waiters.

Larry Bird and Dion Waiters in the same sentence seems counter-intuitive, never mind being part of the same organization, and Bird giving up a defensive anchor for a malcontent like Waiters is a little hard to grasp.

There would have to be a lot more coming back, and the Cavs don't have a lot more to send back.

[indeedproceed]

My reaction:

http://youtu.be/iabC7-9YUG4

[BudweiserCeltic]

So, can this thread be moved to the "Around the NBA" forum? I want a rest from Cavs talk lol.

And honestly, I don't care much for Hibbert, and I'm curious if he'd be a negative for a team that might thrive on an uptempo offense.

[nostar]

I'd move Thompson and Waiters for Hibbert this season. Especially considering that Thompson will want paid next year. Easy decision imo.

[slamtheking]

And yes, if the Cavs do get Hibbert it will be absolute horse poop.

Getting sick and tired of the way this league picks and chooses it's fights.  On one hand it claims to ne changing the CBA to disallow teams from signing multiple stars...on the other hand it puts in place a system that allows teams like the Nash/Kobe/Gasol/Dwight Lakers and the Irving/Lebron/Love/Hibbert Cavs to happen.

There should be sone type of rule that disallows teams from having more than two max contract players on their rosters. 

This would limit the number of silly max contracts (like Hayward) because teams would only use their max contracts on genuine max contract calibre players.  It would also mean that teams cant do things like sign two max free agents,  and then acquiring additional max contract guys through trades.

This also means that if teams want to try and build a big 3 (or 4) some of those guys will need to sacrifice and take pay cuts (less likely in today's money hungry league)  or else teams will need to build using strategy rather than just buying up as many stars as they can afford.

Cue a flood of players taking the max minus $1 to play.

excellent point.

I get the disgust with teams manipulating the cap to acquire multiple max-type players but as soon as a rule goes in to dissuade that, the front offices of the league will find a way around it.  the $1 less than max would be a typical example to a "max player limit" per team.

I think the only way there becomes a sort of parity across the league with Max-type players is to institute a hard-cap.  each team has X dollars to spend with no way of exceeding it.  if they wind up with too few players on a roster because they don't have the cap space to bring in even a vet-min contract, have them pay heavy fines to be split between the teams and player union.