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Re: Rondo rumor on where fracture actually happened
« Reply #105 on: September 28, 2014, 09:31:38 PM »

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Sorry, but I don't know how anyone can NOT at least be a little skeptical of this shower story?

A grown man slipping in the shower and breaking his hand?

Really?

And it just happens to take place as training camp is set to being??

And by the way I also don't think Rondo was in a fight nor do I think he hurt it on a trampoline.

I think this could be more related to the fact that "hey, the team's going to suck, why win more games than we have to, so let's sit our best player for the first couple weeks, or month, or 2 months." Then, magically Rondo looks healthy in time for the trade deadline and is shipped out.

I think what was written above is a possibility.  Let's not forget about a week ago, Wyc came out to the media and said Rondo is "stubborn, difficult to coach, mentioned Doc Rivers name (i don't know why his name was even mentioned)" that could of upset Rondo and his camp.

There could of been an argument/disagreement. In the end both Wyc/management and Rondo/Agent agreed, to let Rondo stay home for a few months.  From the Celtics perspective , this is ok as Smart gets to show what he has.  If Smart is lost, struggles,is looking like a bust then once Rondo comesback and if he plays well, the team can focus on Rondo as the teams pg for the LR. Smart could be traded. If Smart exceeds expectations and plays like MCW did last season, then the team can look fwd to trade Rondo at the deadline (bc he will not be offered the kind of money/years he is looking for).

For Rondo's camp it's ok for him to sit bc it's up to Smart to prove himself on the court. If he can't, they will now how much the team willl need Rondo.  Also you are getting paid still and there is less chance for him to get reinjured before the trade deadline.

This is absolutely silly.  Rondo, the celtics, and the team gain nothing from RR missing time this year.  This 'conspiracy theory' stuff is a serious stretch.



Well, no that's not true.

Maybe the Celts don't necessarily have anything to "gain" from Rondo being out, but it also leads to a rather ideal situation for them.

With Rondo out, they can get a better look at Smart and see what he's capable of.

It's sort of like an evaluation period for the team, leading up to the trade deadline.

See how Smart can do and evaluate how the team does without Rondo as opposed to how they play WITH Rondo.

Then at the trade deadline, re-evaluate your options.

Look if you want to believe some crazy celtic front office conspiracy theory that this is all planned just to get Smart minutes be my guest. 

But don't try to say it is 'ideal' situation for the team.  That is just crazy.  They can evaluate Smart in training camp and during the season.  They don't need Rondo out of the way to do that.  I would say the 'ideal' way to develop Smart would be to slowly increase his minutes over the season.  Let him play with Rondo and learn from him.  Give him lots of minutes against opposing backups to get his feet wet.  Preferably not have the pressure of running the team on his shoulders from day 1 of his rookie season.

But yeah, I am sure the celtics would rather dream up a scheme to keep Rondo out of the lineup.  smh.

Ok.

Fair enough.

No crazy team conspiracies involved

Re: Rondo rumor on where fracture actually happened
« Reply #106 on: September 28, 2014, 09:49:03 PM »

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I just found out the trampoline park Rondo was at the same day he "fell in the shower" was in my hometown Billerica, MA.  I love my hometown but it's not normally an attraction for pro athletes. Lol

Re: Rondo rumor on where fracture actually happened
« Reply #107 on: September 28, 2014, 09:54:03 PM »

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Rondo may never be the same player again after the acl injury.  We'll have to wait and see.  Hopefully he has a good year and gets back to a high level of play.

Rondo already was "the same" last season.  He was just the same old Rondo on a much worse team than back in the big 3 days.  Rondo was the best player on the team last year.  I think he could get better but I don't believe the knee is any part of the issue.  Rondo needs to shoot better (which will create more space for his teammates) and he needs to buy into the idea of passing to keep the ball moving, not just passing to get assists.

Don't blame his knee for his lower shooting percentage last year and the fact that the team really did no better when he came back.  Rondo needs to adjust to life on a bad team where it is simply going to be harder for him to be the player he used to be.

Re: Rondo rumor on where fracture actually happened
« Reply #108 on: September 28, 2014, 09:55:49 PM »

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I commented on this in the other thread, but to believe this you also have to believe that he broke his hand in a public place and either no one witnessed it, or no witness to it mentioned anything about it on social media or anywhere.

It seems like pure crap to me.

It doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad fall. Sometimes you just land awkwardly and it'll cause a break. He probably didn't even know he broke it initially, just felt some discomfort and swelling. I've had 3 boxers fractures and not one time did I think it was actually fractured until I saw the x-rays.

  If you didn't think it was broken, why did you get the x-rays?

Wanted to rule it out.

Yeah I'm with Eddie. It's very possible to break bones without realizing that's what happened until you see the break under an X-Ray.

Same thing happened to me with a boxer's fracture. Took me about 12 hours to figure out I needed to check it out, and even then I was pretty surprised to learn about the breaks.

Yup, same exact thing has happened to me.  Twice.
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Re: Rondo rumor on where fracture actually happened
« Reply #109 on: September 28, 2014, 10:14:27 PM »

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Rondo may never be the same player again after the acl injury.  We'll have to wait and see.  Hopefully he has a good year and gets back to a high level of play.

Rondo already was "the same" last season.  He was just the same old Rondo on a much worse team than back in the big 3 days.  Rondo was the best player on the team last year.  I think he could get better but I don't believe the knee is any part of the issue.  Rondo needs to shoot better (which will create more space for his teammates) and he needs to buy into the idea of passing to keep the ball moving, not just passing to get assists.

Don't blame his knee for his lower shooting percentage last year and the fact that the team really did no better when he came back.  Rondo needs to adjust to life on a bad team where it is simply going to be harder for him to be the player he used to be.

Rondo had a LOT fewer finishes around the rim than usual last season (33 percent of his FGA last season were 3 feet from the rim or under, 45 percent for his carreer), and he wasn't nearly as effective as he was before his injury. I would say he was still a bit cautious about going strong to the hoop because of his ACL.

Re: Rondo rumor on where fracture actually happened
« Reply #110 on: September 28, 2014, 10:33:52 PM »

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Rondo may never be the same player again after the acl injury.  We'll have to wait and see.  Hopefully he has a good year and gets back to a high level of play.

Rondo already was "the same" last season.  He was just the same old Rondo on a much worse team than back in the big 3 days.  Rondo was the best player on the team last year.  I think he could get better but I don't believe the knee is any part of the issue.  Rondo needs to shoot better (which will create more space for his teammates) and he needs to buy into the idea of passing to keep the ball moving, not just passing to get assists.

Don't blame his knee for his lower shooting percentage last year and the fact that the team really did no better when he came back.  Rondo needs to adjust to life on a bad team where it is simply going to be harder for him to be the player he used to be.

  His explosiveness was lacking and his lateral quickness wasn't there. There's a reason that most of the comments you see about Rondo from nba players, coaches and gms talk about how they expect him to play better next year when he's farther away from the knee injury. Also, his number of passes that weren't for assists is about the same as it is for most of the other top point guards.

Re: Rondo rumor on where fracture actually happened
« Reply #111 on: September 28, 2014, 11:29:39 PM »

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if he injured his hand at a trampoline park, then why the lie about the shower?

Re: Rondo rumor on where fracture actually happened
« Reply #112 on: September 29, 2014, 02:28:04 AM »

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Goodman really tried to milk this story. Rondo and his family celebrated his daughter's birthday in a trampoline park, Goodman tells that is where he got his wrist injured by jumping in a trampoline. Park employees denied this.

Goodman really is a true blue Rondo hater. Anything for a scoop against Rondo
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Re: Rondo rumor on where fracture actually happened
« Reply #113 on: September 29, 2014, 02:37:51 AM »

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At least he didn't say it was the bar of soap getting back at Rondo for 'being uncoachable,' or 'not showing leadership skills.'
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Re: Rondo rumor on where fracture actually happened
« Reply #114 on: September 29, 2014, 05:10:44 AM »

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Rondo is very injury prone.  Stuff like this is inevitable regardless of how it happened.  His brittle body has a tendency to break down in various ways.   He's missed like 100 games over the past two seasons.
I still don't classify him as injury prone.  If he gets another major injury in the next 2 years, then I will.
last four years Rondo has missed 13 games, 13 games, 44 games, and 52 games.  That is 3 separate injuries and he now his 4th in 5 years.  That is pretty much the definition of injury prone.

  Two of those 3 injuries were a sprained ankle and a sprained wrist, both of which kept him out of the lineup for 2 weeks or so. "Injury prone" is a stretch.

Rondo isn't "Injury Prone"?!?  Sorry, but Rondo is the definition of injury prone.  I don't care if it was a sprained ankle or a sprained brain, he has missed a crapload of games.  For the record, a crapload = 13+13+44+52+ whatever 6-8 wks amounts to this year.

  Before Rondo's knee injury he'd played for about 6 and a half seasons plus over 90 playoff games. He'd never had an injury more serious than a sprain, he'd never missed as many as 10 games in a row due to injury and he'd only missed more than 5 straight games twice. His current injury might not cost him more than a few games either. That's hardly the definition of injury prone.

You also forgot the dislocated elbow in May 2011 that would've put him out of action for a long time. I agree with you earlier in his career he was a model of health, but things change. The fact remains that he's now had 3 significant injuries in a little over 3 years and recent history gives him that injury prone label. Same thing happened with Bird. He was basically an iron man his first 9 years and then his body started breaking down.

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While more than a month and a half has gone by since he dislocated his elbow, Rondo still needs more time before he will be able to get on the court and play basketball again this offseason.

“He’s not 100 percent yet,’’ said president of basketball operations Danny Ainge on Wednesday afternoon. “He’s probably about four weeks away from playing basketball full speed. But he can do some training and conditioning right now.’’

  Rondo missed about 5 minutes with the elbow. And I don't know if you ever saw Bird play, but it really wasn't the same as what's going on with Rondo, unless you don't see a difference between a broken bone in your hand and Bird's back injury.

Rondo's injury allegedly occurred while taking a shower, Bird's while he was doing yardwork.

Not to put words in BBall Tim's mouth, but one is an isolated fluke injury and one is a chronic career compromising/ending ailment. Please tell me you're playing dumb to win an argument.

The point being that both occurred in a fluky fashion. Rondo should be back in a couple of months, but that's what the Wolves thought about Love a couple of years ago too.

The fact remains that Rondo has had 3 significant injuries since 2011. Did he play in 2011? Yes. Was he effective? No. Should he have even played? No. So is his body beginning to breakdown after all the minutes he's logged? Possibly, but to rule it out completely, as Tim often does on all things Rondo, speaks to his bias.

  I don't think the issue is my bias. It's either your memory or your reading comprehension. I'm not sure which, but then again I don't really care.

Tim, you really are a funny dude. You get so worked up over the little guy. Relax, you'll live longer.

  I don't get that worked up, although you're frequently foaming at the mouth when I refute points you attempt to make.

You honestly think so?  8)

As much as you claim that Tim is Rondo's blinkie, I see a lot of your posts in this thread as arguing to argue. 

Rondo has had (1) serious career threatening injury - his ACL.  It takes up a majority of the games missed in his career.  He probably won't miss that many games this year from the broken hand and he basically missed none from his dislocated elbow.  So your grandstanding to back up your 'injury-prone' label for Rondo speaks as much to your bias as you claim is coming from Tim.  The claims that the C's are faking, hiding, or taking part in keeping him out for games to get smart playing time is just plain dumb.
 
Rondo may never be the same player again after the acl injury.  We'll have to wait and see.  Hopefully he has a good year and gets back to a high level of play.

Are you insinuating that just because a player doesn't suffer career threatening injuries we should be dismissive of them all together? Fact is he has been getting injured and in the last few years it's been at a higher rate than before. We simply don't know if his body is breaking down or not, but it would be foolish to think it wasn't at least a possibility.

I never said the Celtics are faking his injury. However, it would greatly behoove all parties involved to say that Rondo slipped in the shower, rather than him be hurt on a trampoline or punching something in a bout of rage.

Re: Rondo rumor on where fracture actually happened
« Reply #115 on: September 29, 2014, 08:05:35 AM »

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Employees at altitude say Rondo didn't even jump, just watched his kids have fun.
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« Reply #116 on: September 29, 2014, 08:26:11 AM »

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Employees at altitude say Rondo didn't even jump, just watched his kids have fun.
I'm sure that is true, but it also doesn't mean he didn't injury his hand there.  I mean if he injured it in the shower (allegedly), he could have easily injured it at the tramp park even if he didn't actually jump on a tramp.
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« Reply #117 on: September 29, 2014, 08:41:36 AM »

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Employees at altitude say Rondo didn't even jump, just watched his kids have fun.
I'm sure that is true, but it also doesn't mean he didn't injury his hand there.  I mean if he injured it in the shower (allegedly), he could have easily injured it at the tramp park even if he didn't actually jump on a tramp.

By doing what?  Sitting in a chair watching his kids?  Using the restroom there?

Why stop there?  He could've hurt himself taking something out of his car in the driveway after getting home.  Or opening the door to his house.

This whole thing is ridiculously overblown.


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« Reply #118 on: September 29, 2014, 09:06:55 AM »

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Employees at altitude say Rondo didn't even jump, just watched his kids have fun.
I'm sure that is true, but it also doesn't mean he didn't injury his hand there.  I mean if he injured it in the shower (allegedly), he could have easily injured it at the tramp park even if he didn't actually jump on a tramp.

By doing what?  Sitting in a chair watching his kids?  Using the restroom there?

Why stop there?  He could've hurt himself taking something out of his car in the driveway after getting home.  Or opening the door to his house.

This whole thing is ridiculously overblown.

Clapping.

He's just that injury-prone.
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« Reply #119 on: September 29, 2014, 09:12:16 AM »

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Clapping.

He's just that injury-prone.

You'd think he became Sam Bowie or Danny Manning overnight judging by some of the reaction.



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