Idea: Trade with Knicks

[jambr380]

Besides, if we wait until next summer, we can just use one of our late firsts to offload Wallace's expiring contract to a team with cap space or a TPE.

Not going to happen.  Wallace is barely a rotation player on one of the worst teams in the league, and in twelve months' time he ain't going to be any better.  If he were a free agent today, he'd be scrambling for a fraction of the MLE.  Put another 82 games on those knees, and he's a vet-min guy at best. 

Who's going to trade for that guy, pay him $10M, just to receive a late 1st rounder?  That's functionally the same as paying 3x what the C's paid for Rondo's draft pick.

If this is how you truly feel, then you must think the KG/Pierce deal is trash. It was always assumed that we received a first for Kg, a first for Pierce, and a first for taking on [three years of] Wallace. If after two years of sitting on his contract you think that one first still isn't enough for taking him on, then the deal must be pretty crappy in your eyes.

Note: I realize that they also took Terry off of our hands, but his contract was a year shorter and was at almost half the value. He was also still seen as a useful player, while Wallace was coming off of a horrendous year.

[Future Celtics Owner]

3 things

First: Green is much more valuable than a salary dump

2nd: The philly pick is going to be essentially 2 late first rounders(PHILLY has by far the worst team in the league)

3:Theres no reason to trade Wallace until his contract becomes an asset bc we are not contending anyways

[the_Bird]

You can't separate out the pieces of the Pierce/KG trade like that; your assumption is invalid.  Who's to say that Brooklyn didn't value Pierce as being worth two late 1st rounders?  And you've got to factor in the money that Brooklyn committed to paying a decaying KG (you think they're happy he picked up his player option?)  Or maybe Brooklyn didn't value KG at all on his current deal, so in effect they gave up two first rounders to get rid of Wallace.

You just don't know what Brooklyn and Boston were thinking about the individual pieces of the trade, so your assumption doesn't really have anything to support it. 

What we do know, though...  when was the last time that a basically worthless player, a guy earning $10M or $12M - a guy like of like Crash Wallace, when was the last time a team was able to unload a player like that and it only cost them a late 1st rounder?  A pure salary dump for a crappy draft pick? 

A pick in the 20s simply is not worth $10M. 

[Celts Fan 508]

3 things

First: Green is much more valuable than a salary dump

2nd: The philly pick is going to be essentially 2 late first rounders(PHILLY has by far the worst team in the league)

3:Theres no reason to trade Wallace until his contract becomes an asset bc we are not contending anyways

I agree with most of that, but the third one I am not sure about.  I can see Wallace being a problem in the locker room this season trying to force his way to a better situation for himself, with a young locker room you do not need that.  Unloading him now with Green allows the Celtics to resign Wallace and signing a max contract player in 2015 and 2016, keeping Wallace allows them to sign 2 max players in 2016 while resigning Rondo. 

[slamtheking]

So I am content with playing it out this year and going after some superstars next offseason while seeing who takes that next step on the Celtics.  The Celtics will have some cap space next offseason so I was looking to add to that so they could resign Rondo and sign a max player such as Gasol, Aldridge etc. so that in 2016 they would have the pieces to be able to entice Durant with a max.

So my trade idea is this:

Boston trades Green, Wallace, and the Philly pick (2 seconds really) for Amare Stoudemire

For Boston you get rid of Green which is a negative to me, but you do get rid of Wallace's awful contract.  Boston does receive a bad contract in return but it is off the books in 2015 (a year earlier then Wallace's) and if Amare can contribute anything then even better. 

Anyone have any thoughts on this? 

no real appeal to picking up Amare while paying them to take Wallace.  Wallace is only around 1 year longer and his deal would make good salary ballast the following year in a trade for a top player.   Green's going to opt out after this year most likely so he'll already be gone.  C's aren't likely to outright sign Aldridge or Gasol from their teams--most likely have to be S&T's for assets.  Wallace's deal would help in that regard for salary matching if the C's are using a lot of picks to make the deal happen-->less young talent on smaller $ contracts would have to go out the door.

[Endless Paradise]

Green should have more trade value then just a Wallace dump.




More to the point, who is the target?  There is no need to dump Wallace until there is a legitimate target.

The target would be Gasol or Aldridge, which then paired with Rondo (and hopefully some of the younger players develop) could entice KD the following summer with another max contract.

They want to come to Boston?  Or do we want the Celtics to go the path NY, Dallas took with just the hope a free agent will come here? 


There is no point in giving up a resource right to just dump Wallace.

So you are saying that Wallace might have value in one year as an expiring deal as teams chase Durant?  I could accept that and free agency is a gamble, but I would like to think that Gasol or Aldridge would like to escape the West and come to Boston to play for Stevens and alongside Rondo and some up and coming players with a smart GM.  Obviously I am biased though, but I think Boston has a lot to offer players.

The Grizzlies very well may have peaked, but Aldridge is in a great situation with Portland.  His team is very much so on the upswing.  No real reason for him to leave.