Status of Thorton, Zeller and Turner?

[gpap]

Are any of these 3 guys which we acquired this summer even officially part of the team yet?

I am on Celtics.com and I do see at least Zeller has been given no 44.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/roster

But, Thornton doesn't have a number yet and I don't even see Evan Turner anywhere on the roster page.

Also, I never saw a press conference introducing any one of these guys like there was last year after we acquired Humphries, Marshon Brooks and Keith Bogans.

Any one have any info on this?

Somebody wake up Danny Ainge!(lol)

[Tr1boy]

Thornton might be undecided or has put in a request for a trade i assume.

Turner cant be official signed until end of this month(if someone can clarify).

There might be a preas conf for all of these guys after turner officially signs.

[Csfan1984]

Thornton may be flipped but he is with the team. Zeller is as well.  Turner is not official but "agreement" is in place.

[Moranis]

Boston has not signed Turner because they have too many people on the roster and are trying to move some of them first.

[gpap]

Boston has not signed Turner because they have too many people on the roster and are trying to move some of them first.

Ok

You would think they would've waived the non-guaranteed contracts by now though (Bogans, Babb and Johnson.)

[fandrew]

still too early to waive those guys. i think that danny can trade thornton in september, and he may try to package a deal to move him and a non guaranteed contract to a team that could use some more points off the bench and waivable $$. plus thornton is an expiring. but come september, i can see those guys just getting dropped. 

[Future Celtics Owner]

I think thornton will be a good practice player. I hope James Young comes in and plays over him.

[Chris]

Boston has not signed Turner because they have too many people on the roster and are trying to move some of them first.

I've heard this before, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since there are no roster limits during the summer, and the C's have guys they can easily cut in camp to get down to 15.  If they want Turner, they can sign him.

I think the real issue comes with questions of sign and trades, and deciding which exception to use to sign him.

[SHAQATTACK]

I anxious for those guys to join.......

Equally anxious for

Bogans to disappear

[BudweiserCeltic]

I anxious for those guys to join.......

Equally anxious for

Bogans to disappear

And you care for Bogans why?

[Sketch5]

Boston has not signed Turner because they have too many people on the roster and are trying to move some of them first.

I've heard this before, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since there are no roster limits during the summer, and the C's have guys they can easily cut in camp to get down to 15.  If they want Turner, they can sign him.

I think the real issue comes with questions of sign and trades, and deciding which exception to use to sign him.

I remember seeing some thing about the MLE, and how if they move some players they wouldn't have to use the full on Turner. Not sure if thats true, but it would makes sense why they are holding off.

[saltlover]

Boston has not signed Turner because they have too many people on the roster and are trying to move some of them first.

I've heard this before, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since there are no roster limits during the summer, and the C's have guys they can easily cut in camp to get down to 15.  If they want Turner, they can sign him.

I think the real issue comes with questions of sign and trades, and deciding which exception to use to sign him.

I remember seeing some thing about the MLE, and how if they move some players they wouldn't have to use the full on Turner. Not sure if thats true, but it would makes sense why they are holding off.

The issue is that when you officially sign a player, you have use a salary exception.  For the Celtics to sign Turner today, they have two choices:

1) Sign him with the taxpayer MLE (assuming he's agreed to a contract for this amount or less).  Using this exception prevents the C's from using the BAE or saving more of the larger non-taxpayer MLE later in the offseason.

2) Release 1-2 non-guaranteed contracts and sign him with the non-taxpayer MLE.  This gives them the ability to sign another player with the remaining portion of the exemption, and for up to four years.  This is the exception used to sign JOhnson and Babb last year.  It let's you take a flyer on a D-league player midseason and keep him very cost-controlled if it works out.  Of course, doing this requires someone, probably Bogans, to be released, and Danny would like to keep trying to use that contract in a trade for a little while longer.

At some point, either option 1 or 2 will happen if a trade to clear space doesn't occur first.  My guess is on choice 2.

[mgent]

Are any of these 3 guys which we acquired this summer even officially part of the team yet?

I am on Celtics.com and I do see at least Zeller has been given no 44.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/roster

But, Thornton doesn't have a number yet and I don't even see Evan Turner anywhere on the roster page.

Also, I never saw a press conference introducing any one of these guys like there was last year after we acquired Humphries, Marshon Brooks and Keith Bogans.

Any one have any info on this?

Somebody wake up Danny Ainge!(lol)

Apparently, trading nothing for some bench players isn't as interesting as trading Pierce and KG for a Kardashian.

[Surferdad]

Boston has not signed Turner because they have too many people on the roster and are trying to move some of them first.

I've heard this before, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since there are no roster limits during the summer, and the C's have guys they can easily cut in camp to get down to 15.  If they want Turner, they can sign him.

I think the real issue comes with questions of sign and trades, and deciding which exception to use to sign him.

I remember seeing some thing about the MLE, and how if they move some players they wouldn't have to use the full on Turner. Not sure if thats true, but it would makes sense why they are holding off.

The issue is that when you officially sign a player, you have use a salary exception.  For the Celtics to sign Turner today, they have two choices:

1) Sign him with the taxpayer MLE (assuming he's agreed to a contract for this amount or less).  Using this exception prevents the C's from using the BAE or saving more of the larger non-taxpayer MLE later in the offseason.

2) Release 1-2 non-guaranteed contracts and sign him with the non-taxpayer MLE.  This gives them the ability to sign another player with the remaining portion of the exemption, and for up to four years.  This is the exception used to sign JOhnson and Babb last year.  It let's you take a flyer on a D-league player midseason and keep him very cost-controlled if it works out.  Of course, doing this requires someone, probably Bogans, to be released, and Danny would like to keep trying to use that contract in a trade for a little while longer.

At some point, either option 1 or 2 will happen if a trade to clear space doesn't occur first.  My guess is on choice 2.

Thanks for explaining that.  IMO, it's really not the end of the world if they simply release Bogans. He has value as a way to shed salary, and with several possible extensions coming up next off-season, that could be a better move than trading him for a contract that is longer.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Boston has not signed Turner because they have too many people on the roster and are trying to move some of them first.

I've heard this before, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since there are no roster limits during the summer, and the C's have guys they can easily cut in camp to get down to 15.  If they want Turner, they can sign him.

I think the real issue comes with questions of sign and trades, and deciding which exception to use to sign him.

I remember seeing some thing about the MLE, and how if they move some players they wouldn't have to use the full on Turner. Not sure if thats true, but it would makes sense why they are holding off.

The issue is that when you officially sign a player, you have use a salary exception.  For the Celtics to sign Turner today, they have two choices:

1) Sign him with the taxpayer MLE (assuming he's agreed to a contract for this amount or less).  Using this exception prevents the C's from using the BAE or saving more of the larger non-taxpayer MLE later in the offseason.

2) Release 1-2 non-guaranteed contracts and sign him with the non-taxpayer MLE.  This gives them the ability to sign another player with the remaining portion of the exemption, and for up to four years.  This is the exception used to sign JOhnson and Babb last year.  It let's you take a flyer on a D-league player midseason and keep him very cost-controlled if it works out.  Of course, doing this requires someone, probably Bogans, to be released, and Danny would like to keep trying to use that contract in a trade for a little while longer.

At some point, either option 1 or 2 will happen if a trade to clear space doesn't occur first.  My guess is on choice 2.

Thanks for explaining that.  IMO, it's really not the end of the world if they simply release Bogans. He has value as a way to shed salary, and with several possible extensions coming up next off-season, that could be a better move than trading him for a contract that is longer.

You're correct it won't be the end of the world, they will do it if it comes down to it. Just releasing him is the last option, why do it before you have to? I'd be doing what I'm sure they are, exhausting every avenue. They don't have to release him for the sake of releasing him, Turner has agreed to a contract, they should be in no rush to sign him if it doesn't hurt them to wait. Does it hurt them to rush it? It can. Opportunity to use Bogans' contract in a trade could come down the line but it'd be too late b/c we did something crazy by dropping him before it was a must. Not only that, 5m won't make or break us if we bring in a useful player from trading Bogans even if their deal is longer.