Report: Greg Monroe accepts Piston's qualifying offer

[mmmmm]

Sounds like the pistons are following the strategy the suns are usin with Bledsoe. Basically, don't overpay unless you have to, don't make an offer, just threaten to match any offers other teams make. It seems to have worked at least in driving down potential suitors for these guys.

And this is exactly why I hope Monroe, and Bledsoe too, take the Qualifying Offer, play out the season, and then leave their respective teams with nothing, as unrestricted free agents, the following summer.

This is something I've wanted to see players do for some time now.  The team's have too much power over RFA's, and playing for the QO is a way for the player's to take back a bit of the power.  Many RFA's get low-balled in contract negotiation's for this exact reason.

And many RFA get overpaid due to it as well.

I'd say more players get underpaid than overpaid.  Sure, some of the 'top' players probably do get a bit overpaid, but it's less than you think.  This summer seemed to be an aberration, you usually don't see players like Parsons and Hayward get the absurd contracts they received. For almost all other RFA's (think role players) they tend to get criminally underpaid.

But, maybe my perception is colored by the fact I tend to side with the players in negotiations.  They are the talent.  I couldn't care less about the owners.  I say stick it to them every chance you get.

Yeah, I think you're out of touch with reality on this one. I'm having a hard time envisioning RFA's that have been criminally underpaid, particularly in the NBA which in general role-players get overpaid for on guaranteed contracts. Players have a tendency to underperform their contracts, not the other way around.

I think it depends on where they are in their career arc.  And it obviously varies a ton with each player.  But in general, young players on rookie deals are 'criminally underpaid' and superstars, no matter what their contract are also 'criminally underpaid'.   

The grey area are the mid-level players on mid-level contracts and the (not-super) stars on max contracts.  Some are underpaid and some are overpaid.   The mid-level are the most market-sensitive zone, though since these are not set by scale like rookies or 'max' threshold rules like max contracts.  So those tend to be based on an actual market rate.   So the worst culprit for possible overpay are the 'not-so-super' stars on max deals.   Again, some will be obviously overpaid.  Some clearly not.  Others arguable.

Overall though, it tends to wash out.   Half of BRI gets distributed to the players in a way that they have agreed to per the CBA.   So collectively, the players are fairly played.

To fans, the sheer size of the contracts may seem absurd -- isn't _anybody_ getting paid even a minimum 1M contract to play a game, "overpaid"?

But the fact is, this is an entertainment business and the owners have agreed to pay half the revenues to the NBPA members for their services in delivering that entertainment.  And when you cut up such a giant pie, even some of the smallest pieces are huge.

[Irish Stew]

Seems like the longer this goes the more inclined Detroit might be to move Monroe. 

How about something like this

Rondo, Green, Olynyk or Sullinger

for

Jennings, Monroe, Singler


Boston gets a real big man, Detroit gets much more competitive.

I think that you are giving up a little too much. Taking Jennings from them is actually doing them a favor. Just Rondo and Green for Monroe, Singler and Jennings seems fairer. I would only even consider this trade because of the age differences: Monroe 24, Singler 26? (two NBA seasons, Is he a Mormon?), Rondo 28, and Green 28 in two weeks.   

[BudweiserCeltic]

Sounds like the pistons are following the strategy the suns are usin with Bledsoe. Basically, don't overpay unless you have to, don't make an offer, just threaten to match any offers other teams make. It seems to have worked at least in driving down potential suitors for these guys.

And this is exactly why I hope Monroe, and Bledsoe too, take the Qualifying Offer, play out the season, and then leave their respective teams with nothing, as unrestricted free agents, the following summer.

This is something I've wanted to see players do for some time now.  The team's have too much power over RFA's, and playing for the QO is a way for the player's to take back a bit of the power.  Many RFA's get low-balled in contract negotiation's for this exact reason.

And many RFA get overpaid due to it as well.

I'd say more players get underpaid than overpaid.  Sure, some of the 'top' players probably do get a bit overpaid, but it's less than you think.  This summer seemed to be an aberration, you usually don't see players like Parsons and Hayward get the absurd contracts they received. For almost all other RFA's (think role players) they tend to get criminally underpaid.

But, maybe my perception is colored by the fact I tend to side with the players in negotiations.  They are the talent.  I couldn't care less about the owners.  I say stick it to them every chance you get.

Yeah, I think you're out of touch with reality on this one. I'm having a hard time envisioning RFA's that have been criminally underpaid, particularly in the NBA which in general role-players get overpaid for on guaranteed contracts. Players have a tendency to underperform their contracts, not the other way around.

I think it depends on where they are in their career arc.  And it obviously varies a ton with each player.  But in general, young players on rookie deals are 'criminally underpaid' and superstars, no matter what their contract are also 'criminally underpaid'.   

The grey area are the mid-level players on mid-level contracts and the (not-super) stars on max contracts.  Some are underpaid and some are overpaid.   The mid-level are the most market-sensitive zone, though since these are not set by scale like rookies or 'max' threshold rules like max contracts.  So those tend to be based on an actual market rate.   So the worst culprit for possible overpay are the 'not-so-super' stars on max deals.   Again, some will be obviously overpaid.  Some clearly not.  Others arguable.

Overall though, it tends to wash out.   Half of BRI gets distributed to the players in a way that they have agreed to per the CBA.   So collectively, the players are fairly played.

To fans, the sheer size of the contracts may seem absurd -- isn't _anybody_ getting paid even a minimum 1M contract to play a game, "overpaid"?

But the fact is, this is an entertainment business and the owners have agreed to pay half the revenues to the NBPA members for their services in delivering that entertainment.  And when you cut up such a giant pie, even some of the smallest pieces are huge.

How many "rookies" actually survive in the NBA? So yeah, while some might be underpaid because they're legit talents, there are scores more who get by making millions because of "potential".

Superstars are indeed underpaid, but they're few no? So... once again we're talking about the exceptions.

Anyways, his comments were more in line with role-players and restricted free-agents.

I'll tell you this much, if the league was as filled with underpaid players as it's being insinuated, the league would be more competitive.

The fact is that most teams struggle because they're overpaying for players that aren't making that much of a difference and they're stuck with them and their guaranteed contracts.

[Endless Paradise]

Wow.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2014/08/12/greg-monroe-restricted-free-agent-pistons-qualifying-offer/12940893/

Probably the biggest name to ever do this, no?

[nickagneta]

I saw some earlier talking about trading for Monroe after he signs the qualifying offer. Gotta remember something about that. As soon as Monroe accepts the QO he has a no trade clause so he gets to determine who he gets traded to.

Would Monroe want to come here? Would the C's be ready to give him the huge money the following year that he would want?

I have to think that if he accepts that QO, Monroe is going to unrestricted free agency and is going to want a full max deal. Not sure he is worth that.

[Endless Paradise]

I saw some earlier talking about trading for Monroe after he signs the qualifying offer. Gotta remember something about that. As soon as Monroe accepts the QO he has a no trade clause so he gets to determine who he gets traded to.

Would Monroe want to come here? Would the C's be ready to give him the huge money the following year that he would want?

I have to think that if he accepts that QO, Monroe is going to unrestricted free agency and is going to want a full max deal. Not sure he is worth that.

I doubt he'd accept a trade, anyway, since his bird rights wouldn't be traded.  Those are not transferred when playing on a qualifying option or other one-year deal.

[fitzhickey]

He will be demanding some serious money when he becomes a UFA. I don't think the Celtics will be offering max money, and I'm not sure he is worth the max.

[Evantime34]

It is being reported that Monroe will sign the qualifying offer. If that's the case I wait until next year then go hard after Monroe. No need to give up assets to bring him in.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Seems like the longer this goes the more inclined Detroit might be to move Monroe. 

How about something like this

Rondo, Green, Olynyk or Sullinger

for

Jennings, Monroe, Singler


Boston gets a real big man, Detroit gets much more competitive.

I feel we are giving too much in that trade. We arguably giving up 4 of our best talent on our team for 2 good players in return.

Forget Jenning, but in that case, I will throw in a first, but want Drummond if that is the case

Um it is Olynyk OR Sullinger

That is not a good trade for us, IMO. That trade would give DET a top 3 team in the east.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I saw some earlier talking about trading for Monroe after he signs the qualifying offer. Gotta remember something about that. As soon as Monroe accepts the QO he has a no trade clause so he gets to determine who he gets traded to.

Would Monroe want to come here? Would the C's be ready to give him the huge money the following year that he would want?

I have to think that if he accepts that QO, Monroe is going to unrestricted free agency and is going to want a full max deal. Not sure he is worth that.

I'm pretty sure he loses his bird rights if traded under these circumstances, but considering Boston's cap situation that might not matter in the end. And that being the case, why trade for him when you can just try to sign him next year... there really won't be that much of advantage all told.

[nickagneta]

I saw some earlier talking about trading for Monroe after he signs the qualifying offer. Gotta remember something about that. As soon as Monroe accepts the QO he has a no trade clause so he gets to determine who he gets traded to.

Would Monroe want to come here? Would the C's be ready to give him the huge money the following year that he would want?

I have to think that if he accepts that QO, Monroe is going to unrestricted free agency and is going to want a full max deal. Not sure he is worth that.

I'm pretty sure he loses his bird rights if traded under these circumstances, but considering Boston's cap situation that might not matter in the end. And that being the case, why trade for him when you can just try to sign him next year... there really won't be that much of advantage all told.

Yeah I was aware that his Bird rights did not transfer but sometimes having a player play in your system and getting to know your city and team assists in getting them to sign with you.
 
Personally I am not the biggest Greg Monroe fan and wouldn't trade for him or sign him to a max deal in free agency. I was just letting people know that the qualifying offer also holds that no trade clause and would effect some stuff people were talking about in this thread.

[LooseCannon]

You could say max guys like Rudy Gay are overpaid, or you could say that's just the market for a wing like Rudy Gay, and others like LeBron and Durant are criminally underpaid.

I'm willing to say that some guys are overpaid because the market is stupid.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Does this mean he'll be traded by February? Is he playing the "trade me or get nothing back" game as well?

I mean assuming he has a good season of course.

[Who]

Does this mean he'll be traded by February? Is he playing the "trade me or get nothing back" game as well?

I mean assuming he has a good season of course.

I think a player loses his bird rights if traded while playing on a qualifying offer so a team over the cap cannot sign him to more than MLE contract. Only teams with enough cap space to re-sign Monroe next summer would be able to keep him past this season and, even then, they'd have no guarantee of holding onto him. He'll be a free agent next summer. So trade value is going to be pretty small. Makes a trade very difficult to work.

So Monroe will almost definitely finish the year in Detroit.

[Snakehead]

Sounds like the pistons are following the strategy the suns are usin with Bledsoe. Basically, don't overpay unless you have to, don't make an offer, just threaten to match any offers other teams make. It seems to have worked at least in driving down potential suitors for these guys.

And this is exactly why I hope Monroe, and Bledsoe too, take the Qualifying Offer, play out the season, and then leave their respective teams with nothing, as unrestricted free agents, the following summer.

This is something I've wanted to see players do for some time now.  The team's have too much power over RFA's, and playing for the QO is a way for the player's to take back a bit of the power.  Many RFA's get low-balled in contract negotiation's for this exact reason.

The purpose of the QO has always been, partly, to be a sort of "threat" to teams that refuse to make good faith contract offers to RFA's.  The problem is, because almost no player ever goes that route, it is nothing more than a hollow threat teams pay no attention to.

Especially for players in their position in their careers: possibly close to breaking out.  They can choose where to play and get the kind of contract they are looking for.