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Evan Turner vs Paul George
« on: August 05, 2014, 12:13:29 PM »

Offline boscel33

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Evan Turner is 25, 6'7" and 220#.
Paul George is 24, 6'9" and 220#

Both drafted in the first round of the 2010 NBA draft; Turner #2 and George #10.

Turner's career stats are: 11.1 PPG/5.3 RBG/29.0 MPG
George's career stats are: 15.3 PPG/6.1 RPG/31.8 MPG

 Turner's best year was 2013/14 prior to the trade when he was a 17.4/5.0/34.9 guy with Philly.  Georges best year was 2013/14 when he was a 21.7/6.8/36.2 guy in Indy.

Both have/had shown growth through their first four years, where Turner was playing on a very bad team in Philly, while George was playing for the #1 seed. In his rookie year he went 8/4.6/19.4 in the playoffs and the next year, 11.2/7.5/34.5.  George did 6.0/5.0/26.6 and 9.7/6.6/33.7 over that same time.

Personally, I think Turner was a steal to get.  We now have the #2 overall pick in the 2010 draft and if he had come out in the 2011 draft, easily a top ten in Sully.
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Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2014, 12:35:35 PM »

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I'm not sure what the point of your comparison is. George isn't that similar a player to Turner, not to mention he's much better. Turner's decent and probably worth a gamble, but he's a lottery player and not really a lottery talent.

Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2014, 12:37:17 PM »

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I don't think the comparison is really valid based on draft position, in hindsight Paul George probably goes #1 overall, followed by Demarcus Cousins and John Wall. Evan probably doesn't crack the top 5 (I'd take all of Monroe, Hayward, Favors before him).

George's impact can't really be confined to stats either, he's probably the best (or at least top 2 after LBJ) perimeter defender in the league on what's the best defensive team in the league.

I agree we got Evan for a bargain, but I don't think he's in the stratosphere of Paul George at this point in his career.
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Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 12:39:34 PM »

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Turner is not even remotely as good as Paul George.

Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2014, 12:40:57 PM »

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I'm not sure what the point of your comparison is. George isn't that similar a player to Turner, not to mention he's much better. Turner's decent and probably worth a gamble, but he's a lottery player and not really a lottery talent.

not sure, but could it be the franchise that screwed Turner over? and then the incident in Indiana with Lance Stephenson?

Or is it the argument that if he has star potential, he'd be successful wherever he goes?

Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2014, 12:44:43 PM »

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I feel like Evan's numbers came in a hyper-inflated scheme.  And the defense can't be ignored either.  Basketball is a two-way sport.

I'm happy, not thrilled, that we got him at a reduced price but he's just not that good.

Good role player.

Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2014, 12:51:25 PM »

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Evan Turner is 25, 6'7" and 220#.
Paul George is 24, 6'9" and 220#

Both drafted in the first round of the 2010 NBA draft; Turner #2 and George #10.

Turner's career stats are: 11.1 PPG/5.3 RBG/29.0 MPG
George's career stats are: 15.3 PPG/6.1 RPG/31.8 MPG

 Turner's best year was 2013/14 prior to the trade when he was a 17.4/5.0/34.9 guy with Philly.  Georges best year was 2013/14 when he was a 21.7/6.8/36.2 guy in Indy.

Both have/had shown growth through their first four years, where Turner was playing on a very bad team in Philly, while George was playing for the #1 seed. In his rookie year he went 8/4.6/19.4 in the playoffs and the next year, 11.2/7.5/34.5.  George did 6.0/5.0/26.6 and 9.7/6.6/33.7 over that same time.

Personally, I think Turner was a steal to get.  We now have the #2 overall pick in the 2010 draft and if he had come out in the 2011 draft, easily a top ten in Sully.

This is key. Success changes public perception, for better or for worse. It separates players in people's mind, whether the status is warranted or not. More coverage, social proof, and a higher "social status" (in the basketball world) all contribute to it from a human nature standpoint. That is what separates a guy in the NFL that I am a huge proponent of, Ryan Tannehill, from Andrew Luck. Statistically, they are very similar, but Luck is universally more well-regarded. Everyone always says "Tannehill puts up empty stats; Luck is contributing to a winner." Now, football rebuttals aside, the same is being said of Turner vs. George. Paul George put up great stats on a team that performed very well; Turner put up very good stats on a team that performed very poorly, and he performed poorly in limited chances on a good team.

I tend to agree with you- I think Evan Turner is a good player that we got on a great deal. I think media made the public's perception of him unfairly biased, which allowed us to get him below market value. I am excited about his size and unique skill level combined with his youth. However, he absolutely does not compare to Paul George, who flashed signs of carrying a contender  for long stretches throughout the season while also being a great defender, both on-ball and team.

Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2014, 12:57:36 PM »

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Paul George, first-team All-Defensive
Evan Turner, arguably one of the worst defenders in the league
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Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2014, 01:26:55 PM »

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Paul George, first-team All-Defensive
Evan Turner, arguably one of the worst defenders in the league

interesting:

From DraftExpress:

"any team looking for a dynamic shot-creator to give their half-court offense a huge shot in the arm would benefit greatly from Turner’s presence. This study does not even take into account his passing, rebounding or defensive skills, three of his best attributes, and which make him arguably the most versatile prospect in this draft."

Think he's better defensively than people credit him for.
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Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2014, 01:45:47 PM »

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mark my words Evan Turner will be better tha nPaul George this season..

Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2014, 01:49:26 PM »

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mark my words Evan Turner will be better tha nPaul George this season..

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Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2014, 01:50:49 PM »

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Paul George, first-team All-Defensive
Evan Turner, arguably one of the worst defenders in the league

interesting:

From DraftExpress:

"any team looking for a dynamic shot-creator to give their half-court offense a huge shot in the arm would benefit greatly from Turner’s presence. This study does not even take into account his passing, rebounding or defensive skills, three of his best attributes, and which make him arguably the most versatile prospect in this draft."

Think he's better defensively than people credit him for.

Evan Turner's actual defensive performance in the NBA is vastly lower than projections.  He's in the Marcus Thornton/MarShon Brooks tier of defenders.
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Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2014, 01:55:20 PM »

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Paul George, first-team All-Defensive
Evan Turner, arguably one of the worst defenders in the league

interesting:

From DraftExpress:

"any team looking for a dynamic shot-creator to give their half-court offense a huge shot in the arm would benefit greatly from Turner?€™s presence. This study does not even take into account his passing, rebounding or defensive skills, three of his best attributes, and which make him arguably the most versatile prospect in this draft."

Think he's better defensively than people credit him for.

we'll have a chance to see first hand in preseason and for the rest of the year.  would be great if you were right but I have my doubts. 

Re: Evan Turner vs Paul George
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2014, 02:03:40 PM »

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