A Legitimate Proposal to Pounce on IND's Misfortune (and trade RR/get J. Okafor)

[TheFlex]

Rules for this thread:

1) Paul George is still untouchable
2) Paul George is still worth a lot more than Jeff Green
3) Marcus Smart is worth a lot more than Roy Hibbert (who isn't worth much of anything right now)

Could the CBA gurus here check if this trade works (as online trade machines in a fluid offseason are far from reliable)?

BOS trades: Rajon Rondo, 2015 PHI 1st (or '15/'16 2nds), 2015 LAC 1st
BOS receives: David West (player option next year), 2015 IND 1st (unprotected), 2015 LAL 1st (top-5 protected with decreasing protection, from PHX), 2015 MIN 1st (top-12 protected or else '16/'17 2nds, from PHX)

IND trades: Roy Hibbert, David West, 2015 IND 1st
IND receives: Eric Bledsoe (s&t, 4y/$64m or would it be 5y/$80m?), 2015 PHI 1st, 2015 LAC 1st

PHX trades: Eric Bledsoe, 2015 LAL 1st, 2015 MIN 1st,
PHX receives: Rajon Rondo, Roy Hibbert

We'd go into the season without Rondo and develop our young guys (Smart, Bradley, Young, Sully, Olynyk being the most important... Hey, that's a pretty exciting lineup!) on our way to a top 5 placement in the lottery. Indiana would likely grab a top 7 spot while LAL would likely sit in the bottom half of the lottery (picks 7-14). We get an upgraded version of the PHI pick in MIN's pick. Then the real fun starts.

The Celtics will try to their hardest to create "fireworks" over the next 12 months. We aren't getting Love and PG/CP3/Blake or a star of similar stature becoming available is a pipe dream. I think Danny will try his best to accomplish what he couldn't do this past June: get the no. 1 pick. Let's assume the Cs' lack of luck continues and neither of the BOS/IND selections turn into the no. 1 pick on their own. The Cs would still have two very high picks to trade for the no. 1 pick and select Jahlil Okafor (our own + Indy's) in addition to owning a likely late lottery 1st from LAL.  Here's a skeleton 2015-16 lineup adding Okafor and a late lottery selection and assuming the trades of Green and Bass:

Smart/??/Pressey
Bradley/Justin Jackson (LAL pick)
J. Young/[J. Jackson]/G.Wallace
Sully/Olynyk
J. Okafor/Zeller/Fav

If we got lucky and one of the BOS/IND picks turned into the no. 1 pick, we could use the other pick along with other picks at our disposal to land another top 5 pick:

Smart/??/Pressey
Bradley/J. Jackson (if we don't have to surrender the LAL pick to move up to no. 1 or to grab a #2-5 pick)
Stanley Johnson (top 5 pick)/J. Young/Wallace
Sully/Olynyk
Okafor/Zeller/Fav

I really want Okafor. He looks like a beefier, more powerful Pau Gasol. Okafor/Sully/Olynyk would be a special big men trio.

Just for fun, let's look at PHX next year with Rondo/Hibbert:

Rondo/I. Thomas
Dragic/G. Green
T. Warren/P.J. Tucker
Markieff Morris/Marcus Morris
Hibbert/M. Plumlee

Where would they land out West?

[mqtcelticsfan]

I actually really like this idea, and it's incredibly reasonable. TP.

[gpap]

I wouldn't do it.

Team already tried tanking once, why try it again?

I think nothing good will come out of it.

[jpotter33]

I don't see why Indiana would give away their best asset in their 2015 draft pick if they're essentially tanking, too.

[Eddie20]

I like it for Boston. Don't think the Suns would trade Bledsoe and 2 likely lottery picks for Rondo and Hibbert on contract years.

Bledsoe in any S&T can only be for a max of 4 yrs.

[coffee425]

Rules for this thread:

1) Paul George is still untouchable
2) Paul George is still worth a lot more than Jeff Green
3) Marcus Smart is worth a lot more than Roy Hibbert (who isn't worth much of anything right now)

Could the CBA gurus here check if this trade works (as online trade machines in a fluid offseason are far from reliable)?

BOS trades: Rajon Rondo, 2015 PHI 1st (or '15/'16 2nds), 2015 LAC 1st
BOS receives: David West (player option next year), 2015 IND 1st (unprotected), 2015 LAL 1st (top-5 protected with decreasing protection, from PHX), 2015 MIN 1st (top-12 protected or else '16/'17 2nds, from PHX)

IND trades: Roy Hibbert, David West, 2015 IND 1st
IND receives: Eric Bledsoe (s&t, 4y/$64m or would it be 5y/$80m?), 2015 PHI 1st, 2015 LAC 1st

PHX trades: Eric Bledsoe, 2015 LAL 1st, 2015 MIN 1st,
PHX receives: Rajon Rondo, Roy Hibbert

Frankly i think this is too much roster turnover for all 3 teams to want to deal with, especially the two teams that are actually pretty good already. Indiana's only strength is in their bigs, so why would they trade both of them in one swoop??

The only trade i see Indiana even considering is:
Jeff Green, Big man of their choice, future 1st rounder
for Roy Hibbert.

Boston would make full use of their giant collection of assets for a rim protector.. and Indiana is still able to make to the playoffs this season, while building for their future with a young big-man, 2 very good wing athletes in 2015-2016, and a pick to build upon even more.

[Hawkeye199]

I LOVE LOVE your Idea. I just am not so sure the others would do it. I would say we would have to give ind jeff green as well.

I did this using other players on suns roster to make up 11 million which I think they might pay for bledsoe.

Try It like this
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=njbatth

where the picks are the same but we pick up a non guaranteed contrac an expireing contract and get 4 picks.

[D.o.s.]

I wouldn't do it.

Team already tried tanking once, why try it again?

I think nothing good will come out of it.

Oklahoma City might beg to differ.

Of course, they're one of the exceptions that prove the rule.

[Beat LA]

Rules for this thread:

1) Paul George is still untouchable
2) Paul George is still worth a lot more than Jeff Green
3) Marcus Smart is worth a lot more than Roy Hibbert (who isn't worth much of anything right now)

Could the CBA gurus here check if this trade works (as online trade machines in a fluid offseason are far from reliable)?

BOS trades: Rajon Rondo, 2015 PHI 1st (or '15/'16 2nds), 2015 LAC 1st
BOS receives: David West (player option next year), 2015 IND 1st (unprotected), 2015 LAL 1st (top-5 protected with decreasing protection, from PHX), 2015 MIN 1st (top-12 protected or else '16/'17 2nds, from PHX)

IND trades: Roy Hibbert, David West, 2015 IND 1st
IND receives: Eric Bledsoe (s&t, 4y/$64m or would it be 5y/$80m?), 2015 PHI 1st, 2015 LAC 1st

PHX trades: Eric Bledsoe, 2015 LAL 1st, 2015 MIN 1st,
PHX receives: Rajon Rondo, Roy Hibbert

Frankly i think this is too much roster turnover for all 3 teams to want to deal with, especially the two teams that are actually pretty good already. Indiana's only strength is in their bigs, so why would they trade both of them in one swoop??

The only trade i see Indiana even considering is:
Jeff Green, Big man of their choice, future 1st rounder
for Roy Hibbert.

Boston would make full use of their giant collection of assets for a rim protector.. and Indiana is still able to make to the playoffs this season, while building for their future with a young big-man, 2 very good wing athletes in 2015-2016, and a pick to build upon even more.

That's my assessment as well.  Plus, it took Bird so long to build Indiana into a contender, so why would he jump at the chance to tear it all down as quickly as possible, if at all?  Jeff Green could get the most out of Hibbert because they really liked playing together at Georgetown, but I don't know how that could help the Celtics, and Larry's not trading Paul George (why would he?).  I'm wondering if David West is at least starting to regret not coming here, given the turmoil and disappointing end to last year, Stephenson's decision to sign elsewhere, and, on top of all of that, George may miss the entire season.  It's amazing how quickly things can change.  Larry almost had it, and then he blew it.  Completely.  Indiana should have won it all last year, and now they certainly won't for the foreseeable future now that Lance has departed.  Ugh.

[D.o.s.]

I'm fairly positive David West doesn't have any regrets about going to Indiana.

[Beat LA]

I'm fairly positive David West doesn't have any regrets about going to Indiana.

Not even the slightest of regrets?  That's more-so what meant.

[Eja117]

I don't like the return we get for Rondo here at all.

Let's all try to act like we're trading a multi all star who was on the All - Defensive first or second team 4 times.

Not loving the idea of putting him with Goran Dragic, Isaiah Thomas, Archie Goodwin, and Tyler Ennis.

[Mazingerz]

Rules for this thread:

1) Paul George is still untouchable
2) Paul George is still worth a lot more than Jeff Green
3) Marcus Smart is worth a lot more than Roy Hibbert (who isn't worth much of anything right now)

Could the CBA gurus here check if this trade works (as online trade machines in a fluid offseason are far from reliable)?

BOS trades: Rajon Rondo, 2015 PHI 1st (or '15/'16 2nds), 2015 LAC 1st
BOS receives: David West (player option next year), 2015 IND 1st (unprotected), 2015 LAL 1st (top-5 protected with decreasing protection, from PHX), 2015 MIN 1st (top-12 protected or else '16/'17 2nds, from PHX)

IND trades: Roy Hibbert, David West, 2015 IND 1st
IND receives: Eric Bledsoe (s&t, 4y/$64m or would it be 5y/$80m?), 2015 PHI 1st, 2015 LAC 1st

PHX trades: Eric Bledsoe, 2015 LAL 1st, 2015 MIN 1st,
PHX receives: Rajon Rondo, Roy Hibbert

We'd go into the season without Rondo and develop our young guys (Smart, Bradley, Young, Sully, Olynyk being the most important... Hey, that's a pretty exciting lineup!) on our way to a top 5 placement in the lottery. Indiana would likely grab a top 7 spot while LAL would likely sit in the bottom half of the lottery (picks 7-14). We get an upgraded version of the PHI pick in MIN's pick. Then the real fun starts.

The Celtics will try to their hardest to create "fireworks" over the next 12 months. We aren't getting Love and PG/CP3/Blake or a star of similar stature becoming available is a pipe dream. I think Danny will try his best to accomplish what he couldn't do this past June: get the no. 1 pick. Let's assume the Cs' lack of luck continues and neither of the BOS/IND selections turn into the no. 1 pick on their own. The Cs would still have two very high picks to trade for the no. 1 pick and select Jahlil Okafor (our own + Indy's) in addition to owning a likely late lottery 1st from LAL.  Here's a skeleton 2015-16 lineup adding Okafor and a late lottery selection and assuming the trades of Green and Bass:

Smart/??/Pressey
Bradley/Justin Jackson (LAL pick)
J. Young/[J. Jackson]/G.Wallace
Sully/Olynyk
J. Okafor/Zeller/Fav

If we got lucky and one of the BOS/IND picks turned into the no. 1 pick, we could use the other pick along with other picks at our disposal to land another top 5 pick:

Smart/??/Pressey
Bradley/J. Jackson (if we don't have to surrender the LAL pick to move up to no. 1 or to grab a #2-5 pick)
Stanley Johnson (top 5 pick)/J. Young/Wallace
Sully/Olynyk
Okafor/Zeller/Fav

I really want Okafor. He looks like a beefier, more powerful Pau Gasol. Okafor/Sully/Olynyk would be a special big men trio.

Just for fun, let's look at PHX next year with Rondo/Hibbert:

Rondo/I. Thomas
Dragic/G. Green
T. Warren/P.J. Tucker
Markieff Morris/Marcus Morris
Hibbert/M. Plumlee

Where would they land out West?

Too much picks for the talent going out. And i no longer want to see another tanking year. I want us to compete.

[Mazingerz]

I'm fairly positive David West doesn't have any regrets about going to Indiana.

Not even the slightest of regrets?  That's more-so what meant.

I think David West would have extended the Cs champiionship run if he went here. We could have won another title. But, I guess, it wast not to be.

[Surferdad]

Rules for this thread:

1) Paul George is still untouchable
2) Paul George is still worth a lot more than Jeff Green
3) Marcus Smart is worth a lot more than Roy Hibbert (who isn't worth much of anything right now)

Could the CBA gurus here check if this trade works (as online trade machines in a fluid offseason are far from reliable)?

BOS trades: Rajon Rondo, 2015 PHI 1st (or '15/'16 2nds), 2015 LAC 1st
BOS receives: David West (player option next year), 2015 IND 1st (unprotected), 2015 LAL 1st (top-5 protected with decreasing protection, from PHX), 2015 MIN 1st (top-12 protected or else '16/'17 2nds, from PHX)

IND trades: Roy Hibbert, David West, 2015 IND 1st
IND receives: Eric Bledsoe (s&t, 4y/$64m or would it be 5y/$80m?), 2015 PHI 1st, 2015 LAC 1st

PHX trades: Eric Bledsoe, 2015 LAL 1st, 2015 MIN 1st,
PHX receives: Rajon Rondo, Roy Hibbert

Frankly i think this is too much roster turnover for all 3 teams to want to deal with, especially the two teams that are actually pretty good already. Indiana's only strength is in their bigs, so why would they trade both of them in one swoop??

The only trade i see Indiana even considering is:
Jeff Green, Big man of their choice, future 1st rounder
for Roy Hibbert.

Boston would make full use of their giant collection of assets for a rim protector.. and Indiana is still able to make to the playoffs this season, while building for their future with a young big-man, 2 very good wing athletes in 2015-2016, and a pick to build upon even more.

That's my assessment as well.  Plus, it took Bird so long to build Indiana into a contender, so why would he jump at the chance to tear it all down as quickly as possible, if at all?  Jeff Green could get the most out of Hibbert because they really liked playing together at Georgetown, but I don't know how that could help the Celtics, and Larry's not trading Paul George (why would he?).  I'm wondering if David West is at least starting to regret not coming here, given the turmoil and disappointing end to last year, Stephenson's decision to sign elsewhere, and, on top of all of that, George may miss the entire season.  It's amazing how quickly things can change.  Larry almost had it, and then he blew it.  Completely.  Indiana should have won it all last year, and now they certainly won't for the foreseeable future now that Lance has departed.  Ugh.

Don't think Indy would give up their 1st rounder a year after losing Lance, George, Hibbert and West. That pick would likely be very good without that core of players on Indy.