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« on: July 09, 2014, 01:26:30 AM »

Offline coffee425

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do i see a Enes Kanter sale in the books?
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2014, 01:30:21 AM »

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or maybe bismack biyombo..

one can hope..
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Quote from: coffee425 on July 09, 2014, 01:26:30 AM
do i see a Enes Kanter sale in the books?

Why?
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2014, 02:42:34 AM »

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Bismac Biyombo is more likely on the block in this situation.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2014, 02:44:04 AM »

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Quote from: freshinthehouse on July 09, 2014, 01:54:05 AM
Quote from: coffee425 on July 09, 2014, 01:26:30 AM
do i see a Enes Kanter sale in the books?

Why?
Well I know they want to move favors to the center. I dnt think trading for Kanter would be worth while bc they prob want more than what he's worth.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2014, 06:45:09 AM »

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They will match,  guys like him don't show up often .

He is a winner on a franchise out in the middle of no where ...where most stars would not want to be stuck for any big contract ....you know they aren't winning a title ...probably ever..

I d say say they will do close to anything to keep Gordon.

That's why I knew Celtics were dreaming ....Danny  doesn't have the space to get the best players , long as we have people like Bass, Green, and Wallace under contract. 
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2014, 08:11:33 AM »

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Quote from: SHAQATTACK on July 09, 2014, 06:45:09 AM
They will match,  guys like him don't show up often .

He is a winner on a franchise out in the middle of no where ...where most stars would not want to be stuck for any big contract ....you know they aren't winning a title ...probably ever..

I d say say they will do close to anything to keep Gordon.

That's why I knew Celtics were dreaming ....Danny  doesn't have the space to get the best players , long as we have people like Bass, Green, and Wallace under contract.
Gordon Hayward is an average player at best. He isn't some star player that we missed out on, and that contract is disgusting. Avery Bradley for half that is much better.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2014, 09:41:09 AM »

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I think Kanter will ultimately be moved since he's more tailored to be a center and the Jazz clearly view Favors as a center.  That said, they're not going to sell him for pennies on the dollar; he's a valuable player and they'll look to get value in return.

Hayward's contract has nothing to do with Kanter, by the way, given that Kanter's still on his rookie contract.  They can safely match Charlotte's offer and still retain Kanter until they're ready to trade him.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2014, 10:10:11 AM »

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Absurd offer for Hayward.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2014, 10:21:45 AM »

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Quote from: pearljammer10 on July 09, 2014, 10:10:11 AM
Absurd offer for Hayward.

Definitely.    Utah is between a rock & a hard place with this offer but they'll swallow and match.  This is the type of contract that kills a team: overpaying for 3rd bananas.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2014, 10:31:58 AM »

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Quote from: Donoghus on July 09, 2014, 10:21:45 AM
This is the type of contract that kills a team: overpaying for 3rd bananas.

I don't think so. I think it's the role player contracts that doom teams.
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2014, 10:42:57 AM »

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Quote from: Who on July 09, 2014, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: Donoghus on July 09, 2014, 10:21:45 AM
This is the type of contract that kills a team: overpaying for 3rd bananas.

I don't think so. I think it's the role player contracts that doom teams.

You think paying someone the caliber of Gordon Hayward $15 million + per year is a good idea?  Do you think his ceiling is much higher from what he's producing now?
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2014, 10:51:41 AM »

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Quote from: Donoghus on July 09, 2014, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: Who on July 09, 2014, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: Donoghus on July 09, 2014, 10:21:45 AM
This is the type of contract that kills a team: overpaying for 3rd bananas.

I don't think so. I think it's the role player contracts that doom teams.

You think paying someone the caliber of Gordon Hayward $15 million + per year is a good idea?  Do you think his ceiling is much higher from what he's producing now?

I'm not sure Hayward is good enough to be a third option. I was talking more in general.

I do not think it's paying a 3rd option big money that kills teams cap situations. I think it is role player contracts.

And when teams who do overpay 3rd options struggle, it is usually because they overpay supporting players around them instead of keeping cap flexibility to add to 3rd option and build proper foundation.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2014, 11:02:29 AM »

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In terms of Hayward, I wouldn't pay him this contract.

I think Gordon Hayward has the talent to be the 3rd best player on a title contender but I also think he is struggling to find his place in the league. His style of play and getting the most out of his skill-set is not correct. Four years in and still hasn't found his way in the league. Makes me nervous. There is enough talent there to be 3rd option but his inability to understand his own game, his strengths and weaknesses and to utilize his skill-set accordingly, makes me nervous about paying him.

So, I think Hayward has the talent but doesn't know how to use it. That makes his contract much riskier in my eyes than a standard 3rd option level player. Too much added risk beyond basic risk of paying 3rd star before other stars are in place.

So, I wouldn't pay Hayward that money. If I were Utah, I would let him leave.
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