Explain to me the Love madness

[Celtics4ever]

Sully was 13/8 last season.

On 42% shooting, nothing to to brag about.  He is also foul prone and can't protect the rim.

[ctrey]

Sully did win Player of The Week and had a low shooting % because they wanted him to work on his threes while in games.

My issue is that I really think Sully can get to 18/10 and he would be doing that at 2 million a year rather than Love getting 20 million.

I just think Love puts up great numbers on a ok team and does not make the playoffs. If he were that good, the Wolves would be further along.

He just seems like house of cards.

[Jailan34]

Now that we won't be able to get someone to pair with Love and Rondo, as Melo isn't considering us, I am out on Love madness. Just getting Love alone would make for a good and entertaining mid seed playoff team. Which is nice, but just not for me when there is no room for growth.

Now if our players develop enough to push us into the playoffs then I'd be on board, but two players who have hit their ceilings to max out at a mid round team doesn't excite me or lead anywhere.

Why are you under the belief that Ainge will stop trying to add another great player after we would theoretically trade for Love? 

What other great players are out there looking for a change of scenery? I just haven't heard of any or can think of any.

[D.o.s.]

Not wanting Love here isn't crazy at all, it's a pretty reasonable position that I mostly agree with.

Thinking Sully and Oly are basically as good as Love is kinda nuts, though.  Even their absolute ceiling is probably somewhere south of where Love's been for about 3 years now, let alone their actual performance.

Yup.

[Surferdad]

I think Love is our pandora's box. I am afraid of giving up  a lot of assets and being right back rebuilding soon. I think we have to have faith and do this for the right reasons. I think we really just need one more year of rebuilding and then I think we can be a serious contender.

It is completely realistic that this is the way Danny Ainge decides to rebuild. Just take a look at the twists and turns that were necessary leading up to 2007.  He had to develop young players, get contracts in place to match KG, and all the while live with players that could put out a decent enough product to keep fans interested. I know lot of folks want a quick solution to bring the team into relevance next season, but it may not happen, nor should it happen if you want to build value in the young players.

[gpap]

I will get stoned for this here but I do not want to trade for Kevin Love. I do not want to give up what we would have to get him, I just do not think he is worth it. I think he puts up inflated numbers (People already say he goes for boards over playing D) and is awful on defense.

Additionally he will want/get max money. Lets assume he continues to put up 25/12 for max dollars. That sounds great. However we have two players who are basically Love in Olynyk and Sully. I think it is crazy to pay Love 20 million per when either Sully or KO can put up 18/10 for 18 million less. I just do not see paying so much more and really crushing our cap when we have two guys that are close stats wise yet save us so much money.

Am I completely crazy?

Kevin Love - Career Average 26 pts, 12 rebs per game

Jared Sullinger = Career Average 10 pts, 7 rebs per game
Kelly Olynyk  = Career Average 8 pts, 5 rebs per game

From looking at those numbers, what makes you think that Sullinger or Olynyk can be the players that Kevin Love is?

[Mazingerz]

Sully was 13/8 last season.

On 42% shooting, nothing to to brag about.  He is also foul prone and can't protect the rim.

I've seen a lot of Wolves games, and one thing I see is Klove's non-interest in playing decent defense. Pekovic always is posterized or fouls Love's man. He is like a sieve. He also has a tendency to pout if not given the ball at the offensive end.

[Smokeeye123]

Now that we won't be able to get someone to pair with Love and Rondo, as Melo isn't considering us, I am out on Love madness. Just getting Love alone would make for a good and entertaining mid seed playoff team. Which is nice, but just not for me when there is no room for growth.

Now if our players develop enough to push us into the playoffs then I'd be on board, but two players who have hit their ceilings to max out at a mid round team doesn't excite me or lead anywhere.

Why are you under the belief that Ainge will stop trying to add another great player after we would theoretically trade for Love? 

What other great players are out there looking for a change of scenery? I just haven't heard of any or can think of any.

You dont have to be looking for a change of scenery to be traded...I think it a player like Ray Allen circa 2007 could be had for a couple picks and filler if we wanted to find one.

[gpap]

People need to stop saying things like "we have two players who are basically Love in Olynyk and Sully". It's completely ignorant and disrespectful to Kevin Love. If Olynyk and Sully were really as great as people here make them out to be, there'd be a lot more buzz surrounding the two around the league.

Exactly.

If Sullinger and Olynyk are as good as some think, then how come we've heard absolutely nothing about any other team being interested in either of them?

[Sixth Man]

Sully was 13/8 last season.

On 42% shooting, nothing to to brag about.  He is also foul prone and can't protect the rim.

I've seen a lot of Wolves games, and one thing I see is Klove's non-interest in playing decent defense. Pekovic always is posterized or fouls Love's man. He is like a sieve. He also has a tendency to pout if not given the ball at the offensive end.

It makes one wonder how many of KLove's supporters have actually seen him play more than a handful of games against the Celts over the years.  He is a nice player, but he is also very soft and very whiny.  He's the very antithesis of a player and personality like Rondo, who for all his faults, is a warrior...

[Celtics4ever]

If Sullinger and Olynyk are as good as some think, then how come we've heard absolutely nothing about any other team being interested in either of them?

They're not as good as the green tinted lenses ones believe.

[Evantime34]

Question for those who prefer not trading for Love: How good do you think this team will be next year without Love?

[guava_wrench]

Sully did win Player of The Week and had a low shooting % because they wanted him to work on his threes while in games.

My issue is that I really think Sully can get to 18/10 and he would be doing that at 2 million a year rather than Love getting 20 million.

I just think Love puts up great numbers on a ok team and does not make the playoffs. If he were that good, the Wolves would be further along.

He just seems like house of cards.

Love's team went 40-42 in the west. He would have made the playoffs easily in the east playing more games against the weaker Eastern Conference (considering 40 wins was already enough to get in).

The fact that you think player of the week is evidence of anything makes it seem like you would say anything that would seem to support your view. Jordan Crawford won a player of the week. So what? One good week MEANS NOTHING in the NBA. Every player can have a few good games in a row. That is why you need to look at extended performance. You have to be really good to maintain the performance over a season.

[Jailan34]

Question for those who prefer not trading for Love: How good do you think this team will be next year without Love?

Not a playoff team, but we'd have a few young players that I will be genuinely happy to watch develop. I'm patient and partial to rebuilding through the draft if we can't get anyone else but Love.

[guava_wrench]

Sully was 13/8 last season.

On 42% shooting, nothing to to brag about.  He is also foul prone and can't protect the rim.

I've seen a lot of Wolves games, and one thing I see is Klove's non-interest in playing decent defense. Pekovic always is posterized or fouls Love's man. He is like a sieve. He also has a tendency to pout if not given the ball at the offensive end.

This is the real issue. The lack of interest in defense. Your team will never be good enough to win it all if someone playing most of the game won't defend.