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Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2014, 01:05:14 AM »

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I don't see C's keeping both Smart and Young. I do think they could keep one of the two. Deal I can see is that works is

Minn Receives:
        Smart
        Sully
        Hump (S&T)
        Bass
        TPE (For Martin)
        Clippers first and one Brooklyn 1st.
Bos Receives:
        Martin
        Love
Replace Smart with Bradley and uve got a deal...

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2014, 01:14:30 AM »

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If Minnesota didn't want our players or picks before, they don't now...and I doubt that this trade can be made without involving a third or fourth team to trade our players, TPE, picks, whatever to get the pieces that Flip wants in exchange for Love.

Who are those players?  Don't know...but I'm sure that if Danny is still trying to make this deal happen, then he knows.

Rak

I think having Smart and seeing what has happened with Brooklyn certainly changes things compared to pre-draft discussions. I do feel C's package potential is far better than Warriors, Bulls and Rockets because all they seem to be able to offer is "one border-line all-star, and crappy picks". C's can offer "cap relief, good projected picks, potential all-star, plus two/three decent players". Also Wolves drafted two SGs. Wolves now need a PG, SF or PF prospect. C's have 2 of those in Smart and Sully. Wolves would be foolish to trade with any one else.
If Smart is part of the deal, i hope the Wolves are foolish enough not to take the deal because now our assets are looking much better than pre draft night, and Minny honestly dont deserve this after all theyve done so far... Sorry Love, but i dont want u here if it means all our talent is gone...

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2014, 01:45:08 AM »

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If Minnesota didn't want our players or picks before, they don't now...and I doubt that this trade can be made without involving a third or fourth team to trade our players, TPE, picks, whatever to get the pieces that Flip wants in exchange for Love.

Who are those players?  Don't know...but I'm sure that if Danny is still trying to make this deal happen, then he knows.

Rak

I think having Smart and seeing what has happened with Brooklyn certainly changes things compared to pre-draft discussions. I do feel C's package potential is far better than Warriors, Bulls and Rockets because all they seem to be able to offer is "one border-line all-star, and crappy picks". C's can offer "cap relief, good projected picks, potential all-star, plus two/three decent players". Also Wolves drafted two SGs. Wolves now need a PG, SF or PF prospect. C's have 2 of those in Smart and Sully. Wolves would be foolish to trade with any one else.
If Smart is part of the deal, i hope the Wolves are foolish enough not to take the deal because now our assets are looking much better than pre draft night, and Minny honestly dont deserve this after all theyve done so far... Sorry Love, but i dont want u here if it means all our talent is gone...

Its a lot to give up but Love is a top ten player entering his prime. Think back to the KG near end of his prime trade. It took Gomes (a 9th man), Green (good potential), Al (16/10 Big), Telfair(back up PG), Ratliff (Cap space) and two first round picks.

Smart>Green, Al>Sullyor Olynyk, so those prospects even out. The Brooklyn pick is likely high but as I stated Love is entering his prime not near end so that makes up for higher pick. The other guys C's would add are decent players but at the time so were Gomes, Ratliff and Telfair. Overall what people are purposing isn't that bad.

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2014, 01:51:11 AM »

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I don't see C's keeping both Smart and Young. I do think they could keep one of the two. Deal I can see is that works is

Minn Receives:
        Smart
        Sully
        Hump (S&T)
        Bass
        TPE (For Martin)
        Clippers first and one Brooklyn 1st.
Bos Receives:
        Martin
        Love
Replace Smart with Bradley and uve got a deal...

I wish. While I am wishing throw in Wallace and get back Pek too lol

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2014, 02:10:25 AM »

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If Minnesota didn't want our players or picks before, they don't now...and I doubt that this trade can be made without involving a third or fourth team to trade our players, TPE, picks, whatever to get the pieces that Flip wants in exchange for Love.

Who are those players?  Don't know...but I'm sure that if Danny is still trying to make this deal happen, then he knows.

Rak

I think having Smart and seeing what has happened with Brooklyn certainly changes things compared to pre-draft discussions. I do feel C's package potential is far better than Warriors, Bulls and Rockets because all they seem to be able to offer is "one border-line all-star, and crappy picks". C's can offer "cap relief, good projected picks, potential all-star, plus two/three decent players". Also Wolves drafted two SGs. Wolves now need a PG, SF or PF prospect. C's have 2 of those in Smart and Sully. Wolves would be foolish to trade with any one else.
If Smart is part of the deal, i hope the Wolves are foolish enough not to take the deal because now our assets are looking much better than pre draft night, and Minny honestly dont deserve this after all theyve done so far... Sorry Love, but i dont want u here if it means all our talent is gone...

Its a lot to give up but Love is a top ten player entering his prime. Think back to the KG near end of his prime trade. It took Gomes (a 9th man), Green (good potential), Al (16/10 Big), Telfair(back up PG), Ratliff (Cap space) and two first round picks.

Smart>Green, Al>Sullyor Olynyk, so those prospects even out. The Brooklyn pick is likely high but as I stated Love is entering his prime not near end so that makes up for higher pick. The other guys C's would add are decent players but at the time so were Gomes, Ratliff and Telfair. Overall what people are purposing isn't that bad.
Lets say we include Green and AB in the deal instead of Smart... We could still include two firsts... So its basically
2 1sts=2 1sts
JeffGreen>GeraldGreen
AB>Telfair
Anybody>Gomes
KO<BigAl
TPE=Ratliff

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2014, 02:13:21 AM »

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if ainge hadn't given up on love he should have gone after afflalo, surely #17 > evan fournier

I think he grabbed a younger and more talented Afflalo at #17.

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2014, 02:19:19 AM »

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Sullinger, Green, + 3 firsts (Clippers, 2 Nets) for Love. Ainge might get creative & ship Green or Sullinger to a different team to get other wanted Minnesota talent.

Rebuild starts with a core of: Rondo, Bradley, Smart, Young, Love, & KO.

Heckuva start to the rebuild.

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2014, 02:28:55 AM »

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if ainge hadn't given up on love he should have gone after afflalo, surely #17 > evan fournier

I think he grabbed a younger and more talented Afflalo at #17.

the point being that flip would value afflalo, as he was a large component of an offer that they saw favourably, and is currently ahead of ours, namely the nuggets giving them faried, afflalo and chandler in return for love. Afflalo being the type of nba proven player that flip is seeking.

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2014, 08:11:49 AM »

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If Minnesota didn't want our players or picks before, they don't now...and I doubt that this trade can be made without involving a third or fourth team to trade our players, TPE, picks, whatever to get the pieces that Flip wants in exchange for Love.

Who are those players?  Don't know...but I'm sure that if Danny is still trying to make this deal happen, then he knows.

Rak

I think having Smart and seeing what has happened with Brooklyn certainly changes things compared to pre-draft discussions. I do feel C's package potential is far better than Warriors, Bulls and Rockets because all they seem to be able to offer is "one border-line all-star, and crappy picks". C's can offer "cap relief, good projected picks, potential all-star, plus two/three decent players". Also Wolves drafted two SGs. Wolves now need a PG, SF or PF prospect. C's have 2 of those in Smart and Sully. Wolves would be foolish to trade with any one else.
If Smart is part of the deal, i hope the Wolves are foolish enough not to take the deal because now our assets are looking much better than pre draft night, and Minny honestly dont deserve this after all theyve done so far... Sorry Love, but i dont want u here if it means all our talent is gone...

Its a lot to give up but Love is a top ten player entering his prime. Think back to the KG near end of his prime trade. It took Gomes (a 9th man), Green (good potential), Al (16/10 Big), Telfair(back up PG), Ratliff (Cap space) and two first round picks.

Smart>Green, Al>Sullyor Olynyk, so those prospects even out. The Brooklyn pick is likely high but as I stated Love is entering his prime not near end so that makes up for higher pick. The other guys C's would add are decent players but at the time so were Gomes, Ratliff and Telfair. Overall what people are purposing isn't that bad.
Lets say we include Green and AB in the deal instead of Smart... We could still include two firsts... So its basically
2 1sts=2 1sts
JeffGreen>GeraldGreen
AB>Telfair
Anybody>Gomes
KO<BigAl
TPE=Ratliff

Probably look more like
Celtics Receive: Kevin Love and Chase Budinger

Timberwolves Receive: Marcus Smart, Jared Sullinger. Gerald Wallace, Brandon Bass and 2 1st Round Picks (1 Boston, 1 Brooklyn)
"I am not going to back down from any challenge. Like I said, you are going to have to prove to me. I am a fighter; I will keep fighting and will never give up." Marcus Smart

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2014, 08:43:16 AM »

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How about the whole team for love?  Seriously, what's the point of giving up all o7r good young players for one young guy. The guy isn't Michael Jordan.  I'm hAppy with a slow rebuild.  I think we have some nice players with olynyk, smart, sully, pressy, and people wanna trade them?  And be left with what?  I'm done.   Don't want him here unless we're keeping smart and olynyk.

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2014, 10:07:03 AM »

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 What does Minny's want?  Klay Thompson?  What guards could we get that would be similar for them?

We could trade Bogans/Fav/Anthony/Babb/Johnson plus draft picks for a decent package that Minny would want.   We could go after Michael Carter-Williams and Thaddeus Young-we know Philly wants cap space and draft picks.  We could work on a sign and trade for Greg Monroe and Caldwell-Pope even if we have to include Young.  We could try and get Mayo/Henson.

Would they want Thaddeus, Bass, Olynyk, Carter Williams, Nets 2016, our 2018?

We could give Sixers a mix of expiring or non guaranteed  contracts plus their own 2015 pick, and our 2015 pick.  Young's not a deal breaker for me.

If we are left with Rondo/Bradley/Smart/Martin/Wallace/Green/Love/Sullinger and sign Ed Davis with the MLE, it will be worth losing Young and 4 draft picks. 

We would still have Clippers 15 pick, our 2016, right to swap with Nets in 17, and the nets 18.  Those are the two years when the Nets are likely to be bad with Williams and Johnson totally used up by then. 

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2014, 10:08:17 AM »

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Or just offer Minny the 4 picks and Young and Olynyk along with Bass/Bogans/Fav/Anthony etc...

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2014, 10:43:32 AM »

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OK, so what does Minny have right now and what are they looking for?  What do the C's have to offer? Some of this has changed, since the draft, and I think that gets us closer to actual answers.

Guys that Minny has been attached to during reports --> Klay Thompson, KO, Aaron Afflalo, David Lee, Chandler Parsons and Kenneth Faried...

Seems pretty obvious they're looking for at least one '2' guard, a '4' who could preferably stretch the floor and a '3' who has all around game...The Celtics have several pieces that could fit those roles and you start there.

Bradley --> Now locked in for four years and a guy who could be a three and 'D' off guard next to the non-shooting/non-defending Rubio. (Smart's a possibility, but still needs to improve his shooting...not sure if Minnesota wants to put Rubio & Smart together)

Green --> As much as we get frustrated with his inconsistent nature, he's close to the level of Parsons if not his equal.

Olynyk --> The perfect stretch-4 to play next to Pek...Flip has been rumored to really like him.

I think those could be three cornerstones of any deal with Minnesota to go along with two 1st round draft picks with additional cap relief...C's would also have to bring back a contract.

I also wonder, with the Morey/Ainge relationship, does DA go all out after Parsons depending on what happens with Houston...Especially if Bosh is the guy Houston eventually nets...Does Ainge offer picks and Bass to pry away Parsons, so he could then be flipped to Minnesota?

Once the Melo, LeBron, Big Three gets figured out, there are going to be tons of dominoes to fall shortly thereafter.


Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2014, 11:31:48 AM »

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They aren't going to want Green and Bradley with those contracts.    If there isn't another player from another team it's going to start with Smart, KO/ Sully and James Young and picks.   It's going to hurt. 

Re: Idea: New package for Love?
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2014, 12:01:21 PM »

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OK, so what does Minny have right now and what are they looking for?  What do the C's have to offer? Some of this has changed, since the draft, and I think that gets us closer to actual answers.

Guys that Minny has been attached to during reports --> Klay Thompson, KO, Aaron Afflalo, David Lee, Chandler Parsons and Kenneth Faried...

Seems pretty obvious they're looking for at least one '2' guard, a '4' who could preferably stretch the floor and a '3' who has all around game...The Celtics have several pieces that could fit those roles and you start there.

Bradley --> Now locked in for four years and a guy who could be a three and 'D' off guard next to the non-shooting/non-defending Rubio. (Smart's a possibility, but still needs to improve his shooting...not sure if Minnesota wants to put Rubio & Smart together)

Green --> As much as we get frustrated with his inconsistent nature, he's close to the level of Parsons if not his equal.

Olynyk --> The perfect stretch-4 to play next to Pek...Flip has been rumored to really like him.

I think those could be three cornerstones of any deal with Minnesota to go along with two 1st round draft picks with additional cap relief...C's would also have to bring back a contract.

I also wonder, with the Morey/Ainge relationship, does DA go all out after Parsons depending on what happens with Houston...Especially if Bosh is the guy Houston eventually nets...Does Ainge offer picks and Bass to pry away Parsons, so he could then be flipped to Minnesota?

Once the Melo, LeBron, Big Three gets figured out, there are going to be tons of dominoes to fall shortly thereafter.

Do you think they still want a SG when they have Martin and drafted GR3, and Lavine? I feel that has changed and they are no longer interested in Thompson. I can see Wolves going for Parsons. Which could make Rockets, Wolves and C's deal a very promising three way.