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An interesting analysis of the Celtics offseason
« on: July 02, 2014, 11:48:40 PM »

Offline Chris22

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I thought this was a very good analysis of the Celtics off season. Click on the link.....

http://millcitysports.com/articles/4729-bradley-contract-may-be-just-the-beginning-for-ainge

Re: An interesting analysis of the Celtics offseason
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2014, 12:15:11 AM »

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I thought this was a very good analysis of the Celtics off season. Click on the link.....

http://millcitysports.com/articles/4729-bradley-contract-may-be-just-the-beginning-for-ainge

Cool read..thanks for the share.  TP

Re: An interesting analysis of the Celtics offseason
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2014, 12:42:26 AM »

Offline Chris22

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I thought this was a very good analysis of the Celtics off season. Click on the link.....

http://millcitysports.com/articles/4729-bradley-contract-may-be-just-the-beginning-for-ainge

Cool read..thanks for the share.  TP

I thought it was the best article I have read on our current situation.

Re: An interesting analysis of the Celtics offseason
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2014, 12:49:33 AM »

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The writer brings up some good points, why is Ainge calling guards at the start of free agency when we are loaded at the position? Something big is going to happen.

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2014, 12:58:10 AM »

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Well...

The primary points of the article are that (a) He thinks the Bradley signing is a bad deal (that 8M per is too much) and (b) that there is a chance that this is really just a prelude to a sign & trade.

The author is holding out hope that, until the deal is made 'official' that this could turn out to be a sign & trade deal that moves Avery to match some 8M of salary.

The problem with that is that a sign & trade deal requires the consent of the player.

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"Boston is my home now, I've been here for four years. They think I'm from here because I've been here for so long,"

That's a quote from Bradley this week.

That doesn't sound like a player who has agreed to being moved in a sign & trade.  But I could be wrong.

I DO agree that Danny is likely to do more moves before the dust settles.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt?  Incompetent?  Which is worse?  Does it matter?  It sucks.

Re: An interesting analysis of the Celtics offseason
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2014, 01:49:50 AM »

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The writer brings up some good points, why is Ainge calling guards at the start of free agency when we are loaded at the position? Something big is going to happen.

Ainge might have called around to establish how much it would cost to bring in replacements if he let Bradley walk and decided that he was better off giving Bradley the rumored contract rather than trying to sign other guards.

I doubt Bradley is part of a super-secret sign-and-trade that brings back Love.  If that were true, we'd hear rumors about.  It's hard to keep quiet about a trade that big.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2014, 01:59:32 AM »

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Well, it's the trades that go unreported that usually go down. When a rumor comes up, if the trade doesn't happen in the next few days, it probably won't happen. Meanwhile, a Perk for Green trade will appear out of nowhere and punch you in the gut.
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2014, 02:16:18 AM »

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it is kinda weird that no mention of this new Bradley deal, is up on the Official Celtics Site.

Perhaps, the (Larger than expected) $8 million per year, was to persuade Bradley to go to Minny...We should know within a week or so. Minny wants to get rid of K.Martin in any Love deal---so Bradley's "New" Salary, might make things fit better....They just drafted Zach Lavine---maybe he's in the deal--if there is one-?
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2014, 02:25:36 AM »

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There's no way this bradley signing isn't for something bigger.  The guy can't hold up for a full season and ainge is giving him 8 million a year? No way! It's part of smt bigger which could even be trading rondo and letting smart and bradley man the back court.  Who knows what ainge has up his sleeve.  He doesn't seem to be the gm who over pays a injury prone sg who's best skill is defense and open corner 3s

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2014, 02:31:22 AM »

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Well, it's the trades that go unreported that usually go down. When a rumor comes up, if the trade doesn't happen in the next few days, it probably won't happen. Meanwhile, a Perk for Green trade will appear out of nowhere and punch you in the gut.

There is almost no way that sort of trade can fly completely under the radar for very long.  There are other players who would have to be involved in this deal and we'd get second-hand speculation about a possible deal in the works due to changes in responses to trade offers with either team.  We probably wouldn't get continued rumors about Minnesota still asking for Klay Thompson and wanting to off-load Kevin Martin if a Love deal was already agreed to.
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2014, 02:34:54 AM »

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it is kinda weird that no mention of this new Bradley deal, is up on the Official Celtics Site.

It'd be weird if there was mention.  Teams can't discuss deals until they are official and no free agent signing can become official until the end of the July moratorium.  You'll note that Washington's website does not mention the Gortat deal and Detroit's does not mention their free agent signings.
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2014, 02:47:36 AM »

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There's no way this bradley signing isn't for something bigger.  The guy can't hold up for a full season and ainge is giving him 8 million a year? No way! It's part of smt bigger which could even be trading rondo and letting smart and bradley man the back court.  Who knows what ainge has up his sleeve.  He doesn't seem to be the gm who over pays a injury prone sg who's best skill is defense and open corner 3s
Ainge did give Jeff Green 9mil a year after a huge heart surgery and coming off  a p--- poor year. Also no one was bidding for Jeff.

Re: An interesting analysis of the Celtics offseason
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2014, 03:05:14 AM »

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Jeff green contract could be seen in different ways. Team friendly to jeff green fans and opposite to the Jeff green haters. Post his stats for me and explain to me why he is so bad because the fact that no one thinks he is consistent enough for you guys. When he hit that game winner against the heat he was on a pretty nice run if I recall. Your key word is heart surgery.  Guy had heart surgery and always had heart issues and played through it. He's not a bad as the haters make him out to be. Off topic though sorry

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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2014, 03:41:26 AM »

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Solid fanpost

Re: An interesting analysis of the Celtics offseason
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2014, 07:08:16 AM »

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There's no way this bradley signing isn't for something bigger.  The guy can't hold up for a full season and ainge is giving him 8 million a year? No way! It's part of smt bigger which could even be trading rondo and letting smart and bradley man the back court.  Who knows what ainge has up his sleeve.  He doesn't seem to be the gm who over pays a injury prone sg who's best skill is defense and open corner 3s

There is a way that's happening... It just did.   Get used to it!

It's say there is about 3x higher probability of Rondo being traded than Bradley.   Rondo reportedly wants $100m while isn't likely happening.   He's nearly 30 on a rebuilding team that's otherwise filled with <25 year old guys.   On a team clearly in need of scoring, he's clearly the last capable scorer in the starting lineup.   He's just come off an ACL, high risk.   If a trade for a star can't be done, he'll probably walk next year.   His defense has,  for a few years now,  but highly suspect. He's also reported to be somewhat...difficult to get along with.

On the other hand Bradley is young,  he's a modest kid,  super hard working,  always about the team first.   Top shelf defender,  recently emerged as a quite capable scorer.   

Take a look at the past few draft picks Ainge has gone for.  Jared Sullinger.  Kelly olynyk.  Marcus Smart.   Danny almost always goes for a high character guy with any draft pick worth anything.   He goes for guys who are good leaders,  or especially tough, or super hard working - ultimately guys who will put the team first and who are highly coachable.   Bradley fits all of those criteria,  and he's quite a player too.

I'm surprised how much people disregard the value of attitude for a player.   A bad attitude is enough to turn a highly valuable young big man into a veteran min deal (see: Andray Blatche).  Its enough to get an otherwise talented player forced out of the league (see: Delonte West).

So if BAD attitude can have such an impact on the desirability of a player, what makes you think that an overwhelmingly good attitude can't add significant value too?  If Bradley was the same player he is,  but only had average work ethic and was largely concerned with his individual stats,  then im sure his deal would have been closer to the 5-6 million people here were expecting.   But he's not.  AB is one of the toughest, most unselfish, hardest working guys I've seen on this team.  He's probably the only guy who could share the court with kg, and still leave you wondering which of them was putting up more impressive effort.  Bradley may have good and bad games,  but I don't think anybody could ever argue than when he's on the court,  he's giving you anything less than 110% effort.

That's a very big factor I think in him getting such a big contact.

You need to consider this.   Bradley has only played 4 seasons in the NBA.  His second season he played so well he replaced a living legend,  Ray Allen,  in the starting lineup and earned a selection to the All-Defensive second team.   His third season in the NBA he earned a selection to the All-Defensive second team again,  and was instrumental to the Celtics unexpectedly deep playoffs run. His fourth season in the NBA he made impressive strides offensively,  finishing as the team's second leading scorer and arguably is best three point shooter, almost doubling his scoring average of the previous season.

This kid has some all of this, and he's only 23.  He's still got borderline elite athleticism and great length for his position -even if height is leaking).   He's a hard worker,  he's a great teammate,  he's a guy who leads by example.  Guys like that don't come along often,  when they do, you try not to let them walk.