If Avery Bradley gets 8 million over 4 years, what is Lance Stephenson worth?

[chambers]

Exact same age, very similar players, Avery's 3 point shooting was better last season, Lance is a better overall player (in my opinion at least). Lance is bigger, stronger and can defend 1 through 3 pretty well. Avery is quicker and a slightly better defender.

Biggest difference for me is that Lance's potential on offense is just so much higher because he can create his own shot off the dribble, either with jump shots or driving to the hoop/drawing fouls. He's only taking 11 shots a game and shooting 49%. Get him 20 shots a game and his numbers go up to 20 points, 4 assists and 7 rebounds per 36 minutes. Just his 2 point FG% is 54 percent!

As a comparison Avery per 36 minutes is currently 17.3 points per game off 16 shots (44% shooting), 1.6 assists and 4 rebounds. The only thing Avery is better at is 3 point shooting, where he shot 39.5% to Lance's 35%.

With the decline of Dywane Wade, Lance is arguably up for being an All Star this season- he was close last season.

Obviously we've signed Avery already, but if the Pacers have offered Lance only $8.5 million for 5 years, we should be offering something like $10.5 million over 4 years.

Lance gets more rebounds (on an Indy team with West and Hibbert), more assists, and has a much better FG% than Avery. He's also got a far cleaner (basically zero I think) injury history.

In a structured motion offense like Brad Stevens', surely he'd be an All Star candidate with 16-20 shots per game and an All Star passing point guard in Rondo? If we traded Rondo he'd be NASTY next to Smart. Two pitbulls attacking on offense and defense.

So given all of the above, I believe Lance is worth at least $10-12 million per season. I'd much rather gamble on Lance's attitude staying in line for 4 seasons after a big contract than Avery Bradley staying healthy for 4 seasons straight.
Thoughts?

[Randy]

I wonder if the Pacers where interested in Avery at any point.

[Chris22]

Danny Ainge made a mistake.

[joepatsfan]

Lance is worth exactly what Bird offered 5/44 (well 45 to me)... 9 million AAV. I would even do maybe ten....

Whatever he does positively is a little tarnished by the bs he was pulling in the playoffs. He could also be looked at as a cancer by some teams too which hurts his value.

I agree he's a bit better than AB, but I would not want his fooling as$ on this team. He's a head case but some team will give him 5/45 or 5/50

[Monkhouse]

Exact same age, very similar players, Avery's 3 point shooting was better last season, Lance is a better overall player (in my opinion at least). Lance is bigger, stronger and can defend 1 through 3 pretty well. Avery is quicker and a slightly better defender.

Biggest difference for me is that Lance's potential on offense is just so much higher because he can create his own shot off the dribble, either with jump shots or driving to the hoop/drawing fouls. He's only taking 11 shots a game and shooting 49%. Get him 20 shots a game and his numbers go up to 20 points, 4 assists and 7 rebounds per 36 minutes. Just his 2 point FG% is 54 percent!

As a comparison Avery per 36 minutes is currently 17.3 points per game off 16 shots (44% shooting), 1.6 assists and 4 rebounds. The only thing Avery is better at is 3 point shooting, where he shot 39.5% to Lance's 35%.

With the decline of Dywane Wade, Lance is arguably up for being an All Star this season- he was close last season.

Obviously we've signed Avery already, but if the Pacers have offered Lance only $8.5 million for 5 years, we should be offering something like $10.5 million over 4 years.

Lance gets more rebounds (on an Indy team with West and Hibbert), more assists, and has a much better FG% than Avery. He's also got a far cleaner (basically zero I think) injury history.

In a structured motion offense like Brad Stevens', surely he'd be an All Star candidate with 16-20 shots per game and an All Star passing point guard in Rondo? If we traded Rondo he'd be NASTY next to Smart. Two pitbulls attacking on offense and defense.

So given all of the above, I believe Lance is worth at least $10-12 million per season. I'd much rather gamble on Lance's attitude staying in line for 4 seasons after a big contract than Avery Bradley staying healthy for 4 seasons straight.
Thoughts?

Lance also had an extremely low PER of 11.4. I don't believe PER is inductive or denotes the full value of a player, but Lance while can create his own shot, looks to be a player that is also a tad bit selfish.

I don't know exactly what happened in the locker room. All I know is Lance is still a player to blame, and Paul George isn't exactly too positive in relishing the return of his teammate. I like Lance's fire though. I have had said countless times, I wanted us to go after Lance.

Stephenson is at least worth 10 million.

[hpantazo]

If the comparison is strictly to Bradley and his contract, then Stephenson should get a max deal. That's how much better he is than Bradley. So basically, yeah, Ainge screwed up.

[jay]

5 years, 55 million.  Sign and Trade for Rondo.  Stephenson and Smart would be awesome.

[sofutomygaha]

I'm not 100% sure Bradley is a better defender than Stephenson.

I do think it's true, but there is no statistic I can find from the 2013-2014 season that supports it.

Lance benefits from playing with a great defensive team, but Bradley's reputation was also built on a great defensive team. This year, Bradley's defense did not stand out.

[Chris22]

5 years, 55 million.  Sign and Trade for Rondo.  Stephenson and Smart would be awesome.

That would be nice, but I doubt if Larry is that dumb.

[Rondo9]

5 years, 55 million.  Sign and Trade for Rondo.  Stephenson and Smart would be awesome.

That would be nice, but I doubt if Larry is that dumb.

I think Bird will take that deal without blinking.

[indeedproceed]

Stephenson's value is off a bit because "worth" is all screwed up now with the higher salary cap. Probably about 18-22% of the cap. 12-14 million per.

[bobbyv]

He deserves at least $10 mil per

[Waew]

Exact same age, very similar players, Avery's 3 point shooting was better last season, Lance is a better overall player (in my opinion at least). Lance is bigger, stronger and can defend 1 through 3 pretty well. Avery is quicker and a slightly better defender.

Biggest difference for me is that Lance's potential on offense is just so much higher because he can create his own shot off the dribble, either with jump shots or driving to the hoop/drawing fouls. He's only taking 11 shots a game and shooting 49%. Get him 20 shots a game and his numbers go up to 20 points, 4 assists and 7 rebounds per 36 minutes. Just his 2 point FG% is 54 percent!

As a comparison Avery per 36 minutes is currently 17.3 points per game off 16 shots (44% shooting), 1.6 assists and 4 rebounds. The only thing Avery is better at is 3 point shooting, where he shot 39.5% to Lance's 35%.

With the decline of Dywane Wade, Lance is arguably up for being an All Star this season- he was close last season.

Obviously we've signed Avery already, but if the Pacers have offered Lance only $8.5 million for 5 years, we should be offering something like $10.5 million over 4 years.

Lance gets more rebounds (on an Indy team with West and Hibbert), more assists, and has a much better FG% than Avery. He's also got a far cleaner (basically zero I think) injury history.

In a structured motion offense like Brad Stevens', surely he'd be an All Star candidate with 16-20 shots per game and an All Star passing point guard in Rondo? If we traded Rondo he'd be NASTY next to Smart. Two pitbulls attacking on offense and defense.

So given all of the above, I believe Lance is worth at least $10-12 million per season. I'd much rather gamble on Lance's attitude staying in line for 4 seasons after a big contract than Avery Bradley staying healthy for 4 seasons straight.
Thoughts?

Lance also had an extremely low PER of 11.4. I don't believe PER is inductive or denotes the full value of a player, but Lance while can create his own shot, looks to be a player that is also a tad bit selfish.

I don't know exactly what happened in the locker room. All I know is Lance is still a player to blame, and Paul George isn't exactly too positive in relishing the return of his teammate. I like Lance's fire though. I have had said countless times, I wanted us to go after Lance.

Stephenson is at least worth 10 million.

Rondo's PER is 11.7

[Chris22]

Exact same age, very similar players, Avery's 3 point shooting was better last season, Lance is a better overall player (in my opinion at least). Lance is bigger, stronger and can defend 1 through 3 pretty well. Avery is quicker and a slightly better defender.

Biggest difference for me is that Lance's potential on offense is just so much higher because he can create his own shot off the dribble, either with jump shots or driving to the hoop/drawing fouls. He's only taking 11 shots a game and shooting 49%. Get him 20 shots a game and his numbers go up to 20 points, 4 assists and 7 rebounds per 36 minutes. Just his 2 point FG% is 54 percent!

As a comparison Avery per 36 minutes is currently 17.3 points per game off 16 shots (44% shooting), 1.6 assists and 4 rebounds. The only thing Avery is better at is 3 point shooting, where he shot 39.5% to Lance's 35%.

With the decline of Dywane Wade, Lance is arguably up for being an All Star this season- he was close last season.

Obviously we've signed Avery already, but if the Pacers have offered Lance only $8.5 million for 5 years, we should be offering something like $10.5 million over 4 years.

Lance gets more rebounds (on an Indy team with West and Hibbert), more assists, and has a much better FG% than Avery. He's also got a far cleaner (basically zero I think) injury history.

In a structured motion offense like Brad Stevens', surely he'd be an All Star candidate with 16-20 shots per game and an All Star passing point guard in Rondo? If we traded Rondo he'd be NASTY next to Smart. Two pitbulls attacking on offense and defense.

So given all of the above, I believe Lance is worth at least $10-12 million per season. I'd much rather gamble on Lance's attitude staying in line for 4 seasons after a big contract than Avery Bradley staying healthy for 4 seasons straight.
Thoughts?

Lance also had an extremely low PER of 11.4. I don't believe PER is inductive or denotes the full value of a player, but Lance while can create his own shot, looks to be a player that is also a tad bit selfish.

I don't know exactly what happened in the locker room. All I know is Lance is still a player to blame, and Paul George isn't exactly too positive in relishing the return of his teammate. I like Lance's fire though. I have had said countless times, I wanted us to go after Lance.

Stephenson is at least worth 10 million.

Rondo's PER is 11.7

Rondo's PER last season was 15.34.
He averaged 11.7 PPG.

[Who]

If the comparison is strictly to Bradley and his contract, then Stephenson should get a max deal. That's how much better he is than Bradley. So basically, yeah, Ainge screwed up.

Yup = max contract.